This is an award he was projected to win, granted it was close. But it's an award, not a team goal, which is the prize.
Tebow was out looking for another SEC Championship, he wanted the perfect season and it didn't happen. I think it's justifiable to shed a few over that.
And to clarify, I don't care that Ingram cried, I just think it's weak for people to make fun of guys who are out there competing and then when their guy does it, it's ok.
Well, he shouldn't have taken the start-up pro job. Then he did ok at Louisville after bringing that program from the abyss...the Oklahoma thing didn't work out, for sure.
He has won a conference championship and 2 bowl games with his newest team.
It did. Coker was able to run off the talent he had and then fell off. I heard his staff used the websites to recruit instead of finding the right guys to play for their system.
it's nice to see the cousin humpers hitting a peak. things always even out in college football. the higher the peak, the deeper into the abyss they will fall. 11-1 isn't going to be good enough for $aban anymore. 10-2 will be viewed as an outright disaster. they could have easily lost 3-4 games this year. there is nowhere to go but down. sec champs in 1999 to 3-8 and staring down the barrel two years later. they just better hope $aban is better at covering his tracks than dumbose...
chiz & co. are going have something to say about how much future success $aban enjoys...
I'm not a fan of HABOTN with a Bama flavor. It's tolerable right now because that's about all there is to talk about and FSJ is respectfully excited when prompting the discussion.
Mark Ingram seems like a well grounded kid and I don't think he deserves to have easy cheap shots thrown at his dad.
Ingram is a deserving winner. But he wouldn't have been the only deserving winner. That's why reading the paper today will be irritating. Presumably the state's media will say the voters made the only correct choice. Short of picking Tebow or Ziemba, they would have gotten it right. Any one of the four finalists outside of Tebow would have been deserving.
Congrats to Ingram. The fact of the matter is that few of the picks are so clear cut -- our two winners included.
The best things to come from this: 1) UAT will stop saying they're only about team (which was silly); and 2) we'll stop this "at least we've got Heismans" nonsense. It's goofy.
Now, we can focus on what matters. Helping Boom win.
A rational, but not practical thought: Don't give out the Heisman in years where there are 3-4 equally qualified choices.
I'm not trying to take anything away from Ingram, his YAC are impressive. It's just that a different but equally valid argument could be made for several other players.
I would have voted for Colt McCoy because I think he made more of a difference to a top rated team than any of the others and had substantial stats. My logic falls more into the MVP catagory than most outstanding player, but my vote doesn't count anyway ....so there ya go.
Cogratulations to Mark Ingram on winning the Heisman Trophy. I would have loved to have seen the Su, a Defenseive Lineman win it just because. But, Ingram was just as deserving as any player there. Wonder why Bo wasn't on stage or did I miss seeing him?
Also, I thought that Pat Sullivan looked better health wise than in the last few times I've seen him on TV. I know he's had a rough road over the past few years.
I am sure there was a good reason for Bo not being there. Sullivan has had a rough row to hoe but does seem to be much better now. Looking at some of the older guys it was hard to pick them out without someone naming them.
I heard yesterday that Pop Ingram had granted his first interview to Katie Couric. Tell me they didn't already know Ingram had won the Heisman. I would rather see an interview with the son, not the criminal. Dad is getting too much face time, and now he gets another 15 minutes of fame. Son seems like a very decent, humble guy. Congrats to him.
OK, so the little bammer has won his award. May he have a Jacksonesq performance in his next game, similar to the 85 Cotton Bowl against Jackie's boys.
Don't know FSJ. That guy is usually really good with his stats. It doesn't really matter. The field was very weak this year. Ingram deserved it just like the other candidates. I wish the defensive guy would have won. That dude is definitely the game changer on that team. Did Ingram win any other national awards?
WTC, what's the word on some of these recruits that came in this weekend. Also what about J. Farms? We were after him last year and he signed with UNC then went to Hargrave. My only question is why did UNC drop him all of a sudden.
Personally I think Rollison being suspended for the bowl game seriously hurts his chances of being the starter next season. Also, because he is suspended for the bowl doesn't mean he will be off suspension after the bowl. It is very likely this has given Neil Caudle the edge in becoming the starter next season. Malzahn wanted to name a starter in the spring last season. My guess is that he will this season. Missing 3 weeks of practice at least isn't going to help Rollison's case.
only decade that was well represented in NYC was the 1970s.
I might go see Herschel fight. It's my birthday weekend. Thinking about doing that on Saturday and the Pro Bowl on Sunday. I don't care about MMA, but the novelty of seeing a 47 year old HW in the ring is intriguing enough.
Personally, I consider it kind of ridiculous that Ingram won the Heisman. He is only a sophomore and his performance didn't justify it. It is entirely possible he won't even be the starter in the next couple of years. Wouldn't that be a blip, a Heisman winner coming in off the bench? No, Ingram was a poor choice.
jhaq, it is very simple. Think slower and it may help. They practice for next season during bowl preparations. Read a bit. Think slow. Even Chizik discusses practicing players that will not play in the bowl game. The race for the starting QB spot starts now. It is very important to pick a starter as soon as possible. That coupled with not wanting to have a QB that doesn't follow the team rules really hurts his chance. Next time take the time to think before you type think.
Wake, I don't think it kills it, but I do think it gives Caudle the edge and possibly allows for someone such as Moseley to catch the eyes of the coaches. Practice matters and familiarity with the offense matters with the QB position more than any other.
I did read an intriguing idea somewhere. What if Rollison became the wildcat QB next season. I don't want to knock Kodi because I think the way he handled things really helped the team this season, but I don't think he is the best player to run the wildcat and he is probably not one of our better receivers.
I am also getting a bit nervous about this bowl game. I do believe it becomes more important since we are playing Northwestern rather than Wisconsin. Mainly, I think it's importance is tied to how Auburn is perceived with recruits. While 8-5 looks much better than 7-6, a loss to Northwestern would look a lot worse than a loss to Wisconsin. Wisconsin is known as a solid team every year. Northwestern isn't viewed that way and lost to Syracuse.
I don't like that idea all that much Steve, unless Moseley looks like the guy. I don't want to put your future at quarterback out there to run the ball. I don't like the risk of injury or the potential damage it does to his psyche.
I think Aycock would be a fantastic option. It sounds like he has done well on the scout team at RB this year and he played QB (pretty well) in high school. GT wanted him to play QB in their offense.
I don't think a bowl loss will have a major impact with recruits. This year was a rebuilding effort and the recruits know that I think we are using the "we need YOU to be successful" line in recruiting. On the other hand if our offense looks really impressive, I think it could be a big plus.
Rollison missing practice in December and not making the trip to Tampa will not significantly harm his chances of being the starter. Rollison has dressed out and traveled with the team on every road trip. He has shadowed Todd and even taken some snaps with 1st/2nd team in practice and pregame warmups all year. If his missing 2 weeks of practice in December puts him that far behind for next season, then he was never in the running anyway.
I understand your thinking... and it would probably be more relevant if we were talking about Mosely... but, in Rollison's case, it is off the mark.
Traveling to the bowl game is a privilege that is being taken away from him... that is his punishment... it will not affect his status for next season in the least.
I don't know about that game with Favre since it's not on here in ATL area, but we have a pretty good game going on now with the Saints and the Falcons.
D. Miller, he is missing 3 weeks of practice, which may be 60% of the practices prior to a QB being named. I expect Malzahn to have his guy within the first couple of weeks of practice.
I would break down the QB race like this at the moment.
40% Caudle 30% Rollison 20% Moseley 10% Trotter
And I do think it far from a given that Rollison is our future starter. Moseley has a shot and the build to fit in at QB.
The only QB I would be shocked to see as the starter is Trotter. I just can't see that happening. I can easily see Rollison or Moseley beating out Caudle, although before Rollison was suspended I would have had the QB race more 50-50 between Caudle and Rollison.
it's not like the offense will be something completely new and unseen to him, and the coaches have no idea what he's capable of. He's been around all season. It's only 12 practices. While it's not good to miss practices, if he's not the starter 8 months from now, it won't be because of being suspended from bowl season.
We shall see, but suspension hurts. He hasn't gotten the experience of Caudle and I don't believe he gets the job based upon anything other than what he does in practice.
There is one other thing that will determine this. The starting QB can decided more by throws he doesn't make than throws he does. If Caudle still makes poor choices in throws it will be easy for him to basically throw away his chances. A sack is better than a pick any day.
Just curious if Caudle was missing these practices because of a injury, say a non throwing shoulder injury. Would you say it hurts would severely limit his chances?
I think it hurts him because he's young and all the practice he can get helps, but I don't think it will make a big difference in who starts next year.
I am not aware of the condescension you speak of. jhag wanted to discuss thinking so we discussed thinking. It was his choice. I also do not judge or get involved in the name calling practiced by some.
For the hotties that aren't going to want to read all that, To summarize:
Steve thinks Rollison lost the starting job to Neil "interception" Caudle because he desperately needed the exposure the 12 bowl practices would provide.
Everyone else thinks missing practice is a bad thing, but won't be that big of a decision maker for the coaches, who have had a whole season, and the upcoming spring practices to evaluate the QB situation.
By the way, don't underestimate Moseley. The praise he has received for his play on the scout team has him in the running in my book, although it is really hard to judge when you haven't seen these kids play, other than Caudle.
Your analysis is never groundbreaking, so don't act like it is. Caudle sucks is about as substantial as anything you've given on the situation, and in less than 12 posts.
PF, you are wrong again. Read again. Read more slowly. What you type below is an obvious lie based upon my previous posts.
"Steve thinks Rollison lost the starting job to Neil "interception" Caudle because he desperately needed the exposure the 12 bowl practices would provide."
PF wins this argument based on his ASSHAT comment. ASSHAT trumps any other arguments. It is believed by pundits that if McCain had just called Obama an asshat in a debate instead of trying to stay on point, he would have won the election.
I have read that Gayden, the JUCO guy is going to announce his choice of college early this coming week. I consider this very important. The reason I think we have a bit of a slump after the 2010 season is that we loose a lot of offensive linemen after next season. Having Gayden step in would be great news. I believe he is a four star if i remember correctly.
Nothing really new on recrutiing jsut yet. Ken adams (commit to UT) a Juco DE that oirginally signed with AU 2 years ago says he will decide if he is switching yb Monday. Many think he will switch. That wil gove AU 3 guys that fall into the 2009 class. They are looking for 2 more. Probably an OL and a DB.
from what I hear, and mind you I do not follow recruiting much, AU has gotten some STRONG confirmations form kids that are coming and they have filled all 25 slots now. Maybe I, or my partner that does folow recruiting, can let some names out soon. Some big time guys are supposedly coming to AU. (on top of what they already have)
Gayden is scheduled for a May grad, but decided to take a mini-mester to get the class he needed so he can grduate in Dec. Others have said that if he comes, no doubt he is the starting tackle from day one.
How about all of the "Kodi love" and "fire Cox" because of a couple of plays Kodi made in the Chicken Bowl.
The more practice the better. This doesn't mean that TR can't overcome it. Common sense says that it does mean that he will have more ground to make up than if he practiced in December 09.
Thanks to Facebook totally getting it wrong with the new security settings (I'm very upset about this), I finally got a gander at FSJ. He looks a lot meaner than I imagined.
Todd wasn't a surprise because of his experience and basically who his competition was. We don't have that type of QB this season. I do agree Malzahn is going to be the best judge. To me, Caudle is the most likely candidate now, with the assumption that he has learned his lesson with INTs. We will just have to see, but I do think we will see a QB named in the spring this season, not the fall.
Basically that means a 50-50 shot it will be Moseley or Rollison. The only one that would shock me if he were named the starter would be Rollison. I consider putting him at 10% a bit generous.
Gaydne is a very good player. Big Ol that can move. If he comes. Write him down as the starter. Eddins is a good kid, but will see a lot of pine again next season.
wtc ...we appreciate that you don't follow recruiting, however if you miraculously happened to know a few names and judicious release of such is not out of line ....we'll be be listening.
I posted earlier that AU is trying for an OL and DB to enroll in January, I should have posted an OL and a LB. I think we take one more DB in the coming class.
One of the reasons I am excited about this class is that we tend to usually pick up a couple of high profile surprises on signing day. Hopefully that holds this season. We are likely a top 10 class with top 5 a possibility.
I would say Mosely / Rollison are the early clubhouse leaders heading into Spring. Slot can happen between now and August, but I'm betting on one of those two starting.
I would be shocked if AU signed Seastrunk. However, his replacement is not bad at all. (I do not think that is breaking news though) AU hasn't spoken with him on over 4 weeks.
wtc, I suppose a LB would make sense for someone coming in early, but with our current recruits I think the need is more at DB than at LB. A lot rides on whether Zack Etheridge is able to come back though. I am not certain of that.
Eddie, that isn't a bad bet. The only reason I consider Moseley is all the positive hype he has gotten from the scout team and his build. I do think there is potential there.
A need is at DB, but AU needs guys that can go hit someone. LB's fit that ideal body type. A school up the road has 15-16 on scholly. They can play on KO teams, punt teams, etc. and get some game speed experience. You can never have too many LB's in my opinion.
I am also thinking that what to do with Kodi is a big question for the coming season. I think we have better options at wildcat QB and at receiver than him. With Blake, Benton, Zachery, Hawthorne, and Adams all back and use bringing in four four star wide receivers (still hard to believe), it is hard to see where he fits in the mix.
Last year was a different year in recruiting as for as commits go AU go. The staff was late to the game. This year I would not count on any BIG surprises. They know who they have locked up and are just waiting for the clock to run out for NSD. That does not mean they are not still recruiting and getitng after it. they are not looking for long snappers to fill a spot.
Filing in those 5 spots that report early and count against last years class has to be the priority. Our depth issue can likely be solved for next season, although experience will still be an issue.
I agree, wtc, althoug I can see some of the walkons that played well remaining on special teams. It is just nice to see the coaches fill needs so much better this year. They really didn't have too much of a chance last year.
One other note about filing the 5 spots from the 2009 class. Use it or lose it. They have to find a kid that is graduating in December and can play ball. If it is an LB, take him. You need that body if he can play because if you don't you lose that scholly spot.
I am liking the way this teams is going to look next season. QB is really the only position I have huge concerns. The rest of the offense looks pretty solid.
The loss of Coleman on defense hurts, but when you consider the players we have that can step in and the inevitable improvement at linebacker, it is hard to see this defense not being much improved.
I am looking forward to the 2010 season. The young players we played this season will pay dividends.
My opponent has Ray Rice AND Ryan Grant, so obviously I'm gonna lose. Now I just lost my QB who was having a great game. Looks like I'm going to be the 4 seed in the playoffs after not being out of the top 2 spots since Week 3.
Any opinions on Tate's replacement? I am guessing that Smith is the guy, at least to start the season, and Dyer gets more carries as the season goes on.
Can't watch right now, but thanks for the vid Jay, I'll enjoy it soon I'm sure.
ReplyDeleteI did enjoy. Thanks, Mr Tate.
ReplyDeletejimmy
ReplyDeleteMy pleasure.
ReplyDeleteNow I'm headed to a holiday party. Have a nice evening, peeps. See you tomorrow.
have fun. Sounds like torture to me.
ReplyDeleteHoliday Parties, Cruises...next thing you'll tell me you don't like live football games!
ReplyDeleteaggggrhhr
ReplyDeleteclosest race ever. wow
Travesty.
ReplyDeleteHe's a little shaken up, huh?
ReplyDeleteman,his tears are thicker than Tebow's
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the Bammers will post the same crap about bein' a baby and crying like they did with Tebow?
ReplyDeleteGotta give those stiffarm guys credit...100 percent accuracy.
ReplyDeleteSean,
ReplyDeleteAt least he's crying over a win.
They didn't call it as close at it apparently was.
ReplyDeleteAnybody going to watch the show about "The U" on ESPN?
ReplyDeleteWhy was Tebow even invited? Those votes were tallied when the invites went out. He wasn't even close to being a 'finalist.'
ReplyDeleteThat's a weak argument FSJ.
ReplyDeleteThis is an award he was projected to win, granted it was close. But it's an award, not a team goal, which is the prize.
Tebow was out looking for another SEC Championship, he wanted the perfect season and it didn't happen. I think it's justifiable to shed a few over that.
Whatever Sean.
ReplyDeleteAnd to clarify, I don't care that Ingram cried, I just think it's weak for people to make fun of guys who are out there competing and then when their guy does it, it's ok.
ReplyDeleteweak whatever
ReplyDeleteTebow's tears were way funnier, btw.
ReplyDeleteI hope THT and family can get the throwup cleaned up easily.
ReplyDeleteIngram's a genuine dude, I didn't think he was the best choice but I can't hate that he won. He's a great player.
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ReplyDeleteI am watching "The U."
ReplyDeleteHoward Schnellenberger is awesome.
Schnellenberger should have replaced Perkins.
ReplyDeleteFaker, I'm watching The U show.
ReplyDeleteNot sure if I like it or not.
Isn't he over at FAU or something these days?
ReplyDeleteGreat quotes that Howard couldn't back up ...
ReplyDelete"The University of Louisville is on a collision course with the national championship. The only variable is time."
and upon his hiring at Oklahoma.
"They will write books and be making movies of my time here."
Yeah.. I think he founded the program.
ReplyDeleteHe made some poor career choices after winning the national championship....
Bernie Kosar may be drunk.
ReplyDeleteNow tell me how this happens...
ReplyDeleteI have SI.com up from BEFORE the announcement.
They announced Ingram as the winner at 8:37 eastern...
Well, he shouldn't have taken the start-up pro job. Then he did ok at Louisville after bringing that program from the abyss...the Oklahoma thing didn't work out, for sure.
ReplyDeleteHe has won a conference championship and 2 bowl games with his newest team.
It's amazing the U fell off like they did after their run earlier this decade.
ReplyDeleteButch Davis leaving them killed them.
ReplyDeleteIt did. Coker was able to run off the talent he had and then fell off. I heard his staff used the websites to recruit instead of finding the right guys to play for their system.
ReplyDeleteNot that he ran guys off the team, but used the talent recruited by the previous staff.
ReplyDelete$aban will be pleased as he sits by his fireplace with his heisman trophy on the mantle. it was really just given to ingram to give to $aban right?
ReplyDeleteOk...I'm getting tired of 'the U"
ReplyDeleteWonder if they will discuss Stallings destroying their butts?
Infidels having a good night ... up 11 on No. 5 Purdue on the Deuce.
ReplyDeleteit's nice to see the cousin humpers hitting a peak. things always even out in college football. the higher the peak, the deeper into the abyss they will fall. 11-1 isn't going to be good enough for $aban anymore. 10-2 will be viewed as an outright disaster. they could have easily lost 3-4 games this year. there is nowhere to go but down. sec champs in 1999 to 3-8 and staring down the barrel two years later. they just better hope $aban is better at covering his tracks than dumbose...
ReplyDeletechiz & co. are going have something to say about how much future success $aban enjoys...
Well Faker, I'm sure they will show the '92 game after showing the Penn State debacle.
ReplyDeleteThey aren't very talented but I love the way Grant has UA playing defense...
ReplyDeleteThey also will probably leave out the U getting destroyed by Tennessee in the 1985 Sugar Bowl.
ReplyDeleteI think they're already passed 1985.
ReplyDeleteRK..I forgot about that one...
ReplyDeleteUT absolutely destroyed them in the Sugar Bowl.
Congratulations, FSJ on Ingram's Heisman.
ReplyDeleteThanks AUMom
ReplyDeleteMiami beat Texas in the Cotton Bowl one year by 40 points and had over 200 yards penalties.
ReplyDeleteRandy Shannon the UM bounty man from the 90's? Nice.
ReplyDeleteI like the new video!
ReplyDeleteWAR EAGLE!
No mention of the '92 team, FSJ. I know you're disappointed.
ReplyDeleteVideo format ... outstanding.
ReplyDeleteThe U ... It is what it is.
Officials have rabbit ears ... tossing UAT students out of the game.
Gene Keady ... Best. Combover. Ever.
sorry fsj, one or the other,
ReplyDeletelast 8 put of ten heisman winners lost in the national championship game, hookem horns. :)
did ingrams dad get to watch that on the prison tv or were they watching episodes of cops.
Mr Tate, I agree with everyone else on the wonderful new video format, if you're keeping score.
ReplyDeleteNope...we are taking the other too.
ReplyDeleteHave no idea whether his dad watched or not.
Way to bring the Roof, Jay G.!!!
ReplyDeleteCount me as a fan of the new video format.
ReplyDeleteAlso, anyone watch Montana-Appy St earlier? Great game. Great atmosphere.
The blog died early tonight.
ReplyDeleteI loved Tate's interview "You guy's are wrong most of the time". "They aren't as fast as most of the teams we are used to seeing"
I'm not a fan of HABOTN with a Bama flavor. It's tolerable right now because that's about all there is to talk about and FSJ is respectfully excited when prompting the discussion.
ReplyDeleteMark Ingram seems like a well grounded kid and I don't think he deserves to have easy cheap shots thrown at his dad.
Ebro ... I did watch most of the Appy State-Montana game ... highly entertaining.
ReplyDeleteAlso saw on the highlights the block on the punt return in the Division II championship game.
Wow.
Sunday a.m. rational comments ...
ReplyDeleteIngram is a deserving winner. But he wouldn't have been the only deserving winner. That's why reading the paper today will be irritating. Presumably the state's media will say the voters made the only correct choice. Short of picking Tebow or Ziemba, they would have gotten it right. Any one of the four finalists outside of Tebow would have been deserving.
Congrats to Ingram. The fact of the matter is that few of the picks are so clear cut -- our two winners included.
The best things to come from this: 1) UAT will stop saying they're only about team (which was silly); and 2) we'll stop this "at least we've got Heismans" nonsense. It's goofy.
Now, we can focus on what matters. Helping Boom win.
What did Ingram's father do to land in prison?
ReplyDeletewirefraud and money laundering I think...
ReplyDeleteA rational, but not practical thought: Don't give out the Heisman in years where there are 3-4 equally qualified choices.
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to take anything away from Ingram, his YAC are impressive. It's just that a different but equally valid argument could be made for several other players.
I guess this is also one of those times that living out of the state of Alabama has it's advantages. No one in Ga cares who won.
ReplyDeleteI would have voted for Colt McCoy because I think he made more of a difference to a top rated team than any of the others and had substantial stats. My logic falls more into the MVP catagory than most outstanding player, but my vote doesn't count anyway ....so there ya go.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't give it when there isn't a clear cut winner....it may never be given.
ReplyDeleteLooking at it now, 24 years later...Bo was the obvious choice...but he wasn't so obvious to the voters in 1985.
Give it every year. Some years you'll have Bo Jackson as a winner....Some years you'll have Gino Toretta.
Cogratulations to Mark Ingram on winning the Heisman Trophy. I would have loved to have seen the Su, a Defenseive Lineman win it just because. But, Ingram was just as deserving as any player there.
ReplyDeleteWonder why Bo wasn't on stage or did I miss seeing him?
digger,
ReplyDeleteNot every Heisman winner can be there I suppose.
I saw Pat Sullivan.
I've always thought that Pat was a heckuva guy.
Actually the two I picked out instantly were Pat Sullivan and John David Crow who played for Bryant at Texas A&M and was an assistant at UA.
ReplyDeleteAlso, I thought that Pat Sullivan looked better health wise than in the last few times I've seen him on TV. I know he's had a rough road over the past few years.
ReplyDeleteI am sure there was a good reason for Bo not being there. Sullivan has had a rough row to hoe but does seem to be much better now. Looking at some of the older guys it was hard to pick them out without someone naming them.
ReplyDeleteI heard yesterday that Pop Ingram had granted his first interview to Katie Couric. Tell me they didn't already know Ingram had won the Heisman. I would rather see an interview with the son, not the criminal. Dad is getting too much face time, and now he gets another 15 minutes of fame. Son seems like a very decent, humble guy. Congrats to him.
ReplyDeleteSweet Video JGT.... i love the new player is works effortlessly!!!!
ReplyDeleteJay G, I love the new video format. Thanks for all you do.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know the status of Rollison? Rumor mill is he won't be part of the team next year. What's up?
Kiffin said the NCAA investigation is a compliment. There is no way he does not eventually end up on probation.
ReplyDeleteNow that I totally disagree with, guys I think this guy above me is a bammer.
ReplyDeleteOK, so the little bammer has won his award. May he have a Jacksonesq performance in his next game, similar to the 85 Cotton Bowl against Jackie's boys.
ReplyDeleteInteresting stats:
ReplyDeletehttp://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=6&f=1010&t=5293714
Kathy,
ReplyDeleteHis stats are blatantly wrong on Ingram...A simple google search could have given the guy the correct numbers.
Ingram is 5th in rushing yards.
His yards per attempt is higher than Gehrart.
Don't know why people would make stuff up to try to make a point.
Facts
Don't know FSJ. That guy is usually really good with his stats. It doesn't really matter. The field was very weak this year. Ingram deserved it just like the other candidates. I wish the defensive guy would have won. That dude is definitely the game changer on that team. Did Ingram win any other national awards?
ReplyDeleteNot that I know of..
ReplyDeleteThe only national individual award that anybody on our team won before last night was McClain with the Butkus..
Of course some of the coach of the year awards are still out there.
J. Schaap on ESPN ripped the Vols this morning too..
ReplyDeleteA great start to the day.
Also, FSU took a beating on Outside the Lines.
I saw a picture of Tony Dorsett in street clothes just a few minutes ago...Dude looks like he could STILL play.
ReplyDeleteHave you seen Herschel lately? The man is still a beast, he is starting a career in MMA, HE IS 47!
ReplyDeleteWake...was about to say the same thing. Dude looks like a freak. Wonder how he'd do in an NFL combine these days?
ReplyDeleteI smell a reality show for the NFL Network.
Damn it! Messed up the Beasley post. Apologies to THT.
ReplyDeleteKathy-Rollinson is just suspended for the bowl practice and bowl game. He should be there come spring time.
ReplyDeleteWTC, what's the word on some of these recruits that came in this weekend. Also what about J. Farms? We were after him last year and he signed with UNC then went to Hargrave. My only question is why did UNC drop him all of a sudden.
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Personally I think Rollison being suspended for the bowl game seriously hurts his chances of being the starter next season. Also, because he is suspended for the bowl doesn't mean he will be off suspension after the bowl. It is very likely this has given Neil Caudle the edge in becoming the starter next season. Malzahn wanted to name a starter in the spring last season. My guess is that he will this season. Missing 3 weeks of practice at least isn't going to help Rollison's case.
ReplyDeleteonly decade that was well represented in NYC was the 1970s.
ReplyDeleteI might go see Herschel fight. It's my birthday weekend. Thinking about doing that on Saturday and the Pro Bowl on Sunday. I don't care about MMA, but the novelty of seeing a 47 year old HW in the ring is intriguing enough.
Thanks wtc. Any news from this weekend's visitors?
ReplyDeleteSlight chance I make the trip to Miami for that fight also PF.
ReplyDeleteKathy,
ReplyDeletewtc doesn't follow recruiting. :-)
How the hell would being suspended for a bowl game in which he has 0% chance of playing effects what happens next year? think, think, think
ReplyDeletePersonally, I consider it kind of ridiculous that Ingram won the Heisman. He is only a sophomore and his performance didn't justify it. It is entirely possible he won't even be the starter in the next couple of years. Wouldn't that be a blip, a Heisman winner coming in off the bench? No, Ingram was a poor choice.
ReplyDeletejhaq, it is very simple. Think slower and it may help. They practice for next season during bowl preparations. Read a bit. Think slow. Even Chizik discusses practicing players that will not play in the bowl game. The race for the starting QB spot starts now. It is very important to pick a starter as soon as possible. That coupled with not wanting to have a QB that doesn't follow the team rules really hurts his chance. Next time take the time to think before you type think.
ReplyDeleteIt does put him behind on practice time, I'm sure they are putting alot of thought into next year during these bowl game practices.
ReplyDeleteWith that said I don't think it kills his chances, but I'm sure it doesn't help.
And that doesn't even get into familiarity with this offense. He is seriously hurt by not practicing.
ReplyDeleteWake, I don't think it kills it, but I do think it gives Caudle the edge and possibly allows for someone such as Moseley to catch the eyes of the coaches. Practice matters and familiarity with the offense matters with the QB position more than any other.
ReplyDeleteI did read an intriguing idea somewhere. What if Rollison became the wildcat QB next season. I don't want to knock Kodi because I think the way he handled things really helped the team this season, but I don't think he is the best player to run the wildcat and he is probably not one of our better receivers.
I am also getting a bit nervous about this bowl game. I do believe it becomes more important since we are playing Northwestern rather than Wisconsin. Mainly, I think it's importance is tied to how Auburn is perceived with recruits. While 8-5 looks much better than 7-6, a loss to Northwestern would look a lot worse than a loss to Wisconsin. Wisconsin is known as a solid team every year. Northwestern isn't viewed that way and lost to Syracuse.
ReplyDeleteI don't like that idea all that much Steve, unless Moseley looks like the guy. I don't want to put your future at quarterback out there to run the ball. I don't like the risk of injury or the potential damage it does to his psyche.
ReplyDeleteI think Aycock would be a fantastic option. It sounds like he has done well on the scout team at RB this year and he played QB (pretty well) in high school. GT wanted him to play QB in their offense.
I don't think a bowl loss will have a major impact with recruits. This year was a rebuilding effort and the recruits know that I think we are using the "we need YOU to be successful" line in recruiting. On the other hand if our offense looks really impressive, I think it could be a big plus.
ReplyDeleteCH=B,
ReplyDeleteDon't look for us to pursue Johnnie Farms...
Rollison missing practice in December and not making the trip to Tampa will not significantly harm his chances of being the starter.
ReplyDeleteRollison has dressed out and traveled with the team on every road trip. He has shadowed Todd and even taken some snaps with 1st/2nd team in practice and pregame warmups all year. If his missing 2 weeks of practice in December puts him that far behind for next season, then he was never in the running anyway.
I understand your thinking... and it would probably be more relevant if we were talking about Mosely... but, in Rollison's case, it is off the mark.
Traveling to the bowl game is a privilege that is being taken away from him... that is his punishment... it will not affect his status for next season in the least.
Favre looks like the Favre we all know and love today... crappy.
ReplyDeletesteve, you're not nice.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about that game with Favre since it's not on here in ATL area, but we have a pretty good game going on now with the Saints and the Falcons.
ReplyDeleteI am watching a craptacular Jets-Bucs game. Josh Freeman has taken some SERIOUS steps backwards in the past two weeks.
ReplyDeleteD. Miller, he is missing 3 weeks of practice, which may be 60% of the practices prior to a QB being named. I expect Malzahn to have his guy within the first couple of weeks of practice.
ReplyDeleteI would break down the QB race like this at the moment.
40% Caudle
30% Rollison
20% Moseley
10% Trotter
And I do think it far from a given that Rollison is our future starter. Moseley has a shot and the build to fit in at QB.
The only QB I would be shocked to see as the starter is Trotter. I just can't see that happening. I can easily see Rollison or Moseley beating out Caudle, although before Rollison was suspended I would have had the QB race more 50-50 between Caudle and Rollison.
How so, PF?
ReplyDeleteit's not like the offense will be something completely new and unseen to him, and the coaches have no idea what he's capable of. He's been around all season. It's only 12 practices. While it's not good to miss practices, if he's not the starter 8 months from now, it won't be because of being suspended from bowl season.
ReplyDeletebesides the amount of condescension you pour into your posts, which were stepped up in that reply to jhag?
ReplyDeleteWe shall see, but suspension hurts. He hasn't gotten the experience of Caudle and I don't believe he gets the job based upon anything other than what he does in practice.
ReplyDeleteThere is one other thing that will determine this. The starting QB can decided more by throws he doesn't make than throws he does. If Caudle still makes poor choices in throws it will be easy for him to basically throw away his chances. A sack is better than a pick any day.
Just curious if Caudle was missing these practices because of a injury, say a non throwing shoulder injury. Would you say it hurts would severely limit his chances?
ReplyDeleteI think it hurts him because he's young and all the practice he can get helps, but I don't think it will make a big difference in who starts next year.
Caudle sucks.
ReplyDeleteI am not aware of the condescension you speak of. jhag wanted to discuss thinking so we discussed thinking. It was his choice. I also do not judge or get involved in the name calling practiced by some.
ReplyDeleteNot true Steve, did you see that pick thrown by Brees last week. Ended up with 6 points for the Saints, on that day a pick was better than a sack.
ReplyDeleteObviously I'm just being a wiseass.
Nice analysis PF.
ReplyDeleteFor the hotties that aren't going to want to read all that, To summarize:
ReplyDeleteSteve thinks Rollison lost the starting job to Neil "interception" Caudle because he desperately needed the exposure the 12 bowl practices would provide.
Everyone else thinks missing practice is a bad thing, but won't be that big of a decision maker for the coaches, who have had a whole season, and the upcoming spring practices to evaluate the QB situation.
By the way, don't underestimate Moseley. The praise he has received for his play on the scout team has him in the running in my book, although it is really hard to judge when you haven't seen these kids play, other than Caudle.
ReplyDeleteSteve,
ReplyDeleteYour analysis is never groundbreaking, so don't act like it is. Caudle sucks is about as substantial as anything you've given on the situation, and in less than 12 posts.
PF, you are wrong again. Read again. Read more slowly. What you type below is an obvious lie based upon my previous posts.
ReplyDelete"Steve thinks Rollison lost the starting job to Neil "interception" Caudle because he desperately needed the exposure the 12 bowl practices would provide."
I'm still very grumpy.
ReplyDeleteasshat.
ReplyDeleteThat is okay. This is all just a bunch of guessing at this point, anyways.
ReplyDeletePF wins this argument based on his ASSHAT comment. ASSHAT trumps any other arguments. It is believed by pundits that if McCain had just called Obama an asshat in a debate instead of trying to stay on point, he would have won the election.
ReplyDeleteWake, I really can't argue with that logic.
ReplyDelete::raises hands in victory::
ReplyDeleteI have read that Gayden, the JUCO guy is going to announce his choice of college early this coming week. I consider this very important. The reason I think we have a bit of a slump after the 2010 season is that we loose a lot of offensive linemen after next season. Having Gayden step in would be great news. I believe he is a four star if i remember correctly.
ReplyDeletePF throwing down "asshat" is tantamount to Schwartz throwing down the triple-dog dare.
ReplyDeleteI'm just glad that Malzahn is selecting the QB on merit and not the Hotties. We will probably be a whole lot better off next seeason.
ReplyDeleteLol to asshat.
ReplyDeleteThe best QB will play regardless to whether they participate. In bowl practice or spring practice. Just see Chris Todd for proof.
OK ...take it easy now. MonD quit after calling JGT an "AH". PF please don't quit ...your periodic grumpiness has become more palatable.
ReplyDeleteNothing really new on recrutiing jsut yet. Ken adams (commit to UT) a Juco DE that oirginally signed with AU 2 years ago says he will decide if he is switching yb Monday. Many think he will switch. That wil gove AU 3 guys that fall into the 2009 class. They are looking for 2 more. Probably an OL and a DB.
ReplyDeleteJohnnie Farms was dropped by UNC because he decided to quit going to class where he was (I believe it was Hargrave Military) at the end of the year.
ReplyDeleteWe need 2 good Juco OL ...especially ones that can sign in January.
ReplyDeleteWe need Gayden.
ReplyDeleteWhat on earth is Eddie doing on HABOTN while at Disney?!
ReplyDeletefrom what I hear, and mind you I do not follow recruiting much, AU has gotten some STRONG confirmations form kids that are coming and they have filled all 25 slots now. Maybe I, or my partner that does folow recruiting, can let some names out soon.
ReplyDeleteSome big time guys are supposedly coming to AU. (on top of what they already have)
Nap time for the girls. Just relaxing before we head to the studios.
ReplyDeleteGayden is scheduled for a May grad, but decided to take a mini-mester to get the class he needed so he can grduate in Dec.
ReplyDeleteOthers have said that if he comes, no doubt he is the starting tackle from day one.
WTC- I look forward to signing day.
ReplyDeleteOK, wtc, now you've really got my interest!
ReplyDeleteLOL at fans predicting Qbs.
ReplyDeleteHow about all of the "Kodi love" and "fire Cox" because of a couple of plays Kodi made in the Chicken Bowl.
The more practice the better. This doesn't mean that TR can't overcome it. Common sense says that it does mean that he will have more ground to make up than if he practiced in December 09.
Thanks to Facebook totally getting it wrong with the new security settings (I'm very upset about this), I finally got a gander at FSJ. He looks a lot meaner than I imagined.
ReplyDeleteLOL Peter..
ReplyDeleteI'm a bad man.
Lots of bama gear on here in Disney. I had no idea that they made that many 5x plus shirts for bama.
ReplyDeleteTodd wasn't a surprise because of his experience and basically who his competition was. We don't have that type of QB this season. I do agree Malzahn is going to be the best judge. To me, Caudle is the most likely candidate now, with the assumption that he has learned his lesson with INTs. We will just have to see, but I do think we will see a QB named in the spring this season, not the fall.
ReplyDeletewtc, not following recruiting as you do, what have you heard about Gayden?
ReplyDeleteI bet you a Habotn hat Steve that caudle isn't the Starting Qb next fall. You want to take the bet?
ReplyDeletePF = angry man and FSJ = bad man. That's seems fairly accurate to me. I wouldn't want it any other way.
ReplyDeleteI think Eddins will be a starter this next season, but high profile JUCOs could beat him out.
ReplyDeleteEddie, I wouldn't take that because as I have said, I don't think it to be a better than 50% chance. I broke it down like this earlier.
ReplyDeleteCaudle - 40%
Rollison - 30%
Moseley - 20%
Trotter - 10%
Basically that means a 50-50 shot it will be Moseley or Rollison. The only one that would shock me if he were named the starter would be Rollison. I consider putting him at 10% a bit generous.
Gaydne is a very good player. Big Ol that can move. If he comes. Write him down as the starter. Eddins is a good kid, but will see a lot of pine again next season.
ReplyDeletewtc ...we appreciate that you don't follow recruiting, however if you miraculously happened to know a few names and judicious release of such is not out of line ....we'll be be listening.
ReplyDeleteOOOps, replace Rollison with Trotter. I wouldn't be shocked if Rollison, Caudle, or Moseley were the starter.
ReplyDeleteI posted earlier that AU is trying for an OL and DB to enroll in January, I should have posted an OL and a LB.
ReplyDeleteI think we take one more DB in the coming class.
One of the reasons I am excited about this class is that we tend to usually pick up a couple of high profile surprises on signing day. Hopefully that holds this season. We are likely a top 10 class with top 5 a possibility.
ReplyDeleteI would say Mosely / Rollison are the early clubhouse leaders heading into Spring. Slot can happen between now and August, but I'm betting on one of those two starting.
ReplyDeleteI would be shocked if AU signed Seastrunk. However, his replacement is not bad at all.
ReplyDelete(I do not think that is breaking news though) AU hasn't spoken with him on over 4 weeks.
wtc, I suppose a LB would make sense for someone coming in early, but with our current recruits I think the need is more at DB than at LB. A lot rides on whether Zack Etheridge is able to come back though. I am not certain of that.
ReplyDeleteEddie, that isn't a bad bet. The only reason I consider Moseley is all the positive hype he has gotten from the scout team and his build. I do think there is potential there.
ReplyDeleteA need is at DB, but AU needs guys that can go hit someone. LB's fit that ideal body type. A school up the road has 15-16 on scholly. They can play on KO teams, punt teams, etc. and get some game speed experience. You can never have too many LB's in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI am also thinking that what to do with Kodi is a big question for the coming season. I think we have better options at wildcat QB and at receiver than him. With Blake, Benton, Zachery, Hawthorne, and Adams all back and use bringing in four four star wide receivers (still hard to believe), it is hard to see where he fits in the mix.
ReplyDeleteNap time is about over. Catch you guys / Gals later off to the Studios.
ReplyDeletewtc, that is a good point. LB are the most versatile. By the way, I expect to see a crap load of freshmen on special teams next season.
ReplyDeleteLast year was a different year in recruiting as for as commits go AU go. The staff was late to the game. This year I would not count on any BIG surprises. They know who they have locked up and are just waiting for the clock to run out for NSD. That does not mean they are not still recruiting and getitng after it. they are not looking for long snappers to fill a spot.
ReplyDeleteHollywood or universal Eddie?
ReplyDeleteI suspect this year was the year to be the walkon that gets on the field. That should not happen going forward.
ReplyDeleteFSJ-Is Petey Smith coming in for January. I know he was a grey shirt. Will he get to come on board in 2010?
ReplyDeleteFiling in those 5 spots that report early and count against last years class has to be the priority. Our depth issue can likely be solved for next season, although experience will still be an issue.
ReplyDeleteWTC knows what he's talking about... even though he doesn't follow 'cruitin...
ReplyDeleteI expect Caudle to be given a shot in the spring... but, I don't think this staff wants to break in a new QB 3 years in a row.
I'd put my % chance of earning the starting gig as follows...Based on current standing.
Rollison - 35%
Mosely - 34%
Trotter - 21%
Caudle - 10%
I love Vince Young as a QB. I can only pray Rollison's game will be half as good as his.
ReplyDeleteAs I typed that he threw a dump pass to Chris Johnson that went for 6.
I agree, wtc, althoug I can see some of the walkons that played well remaining on special teams. It is just nice to see the coaches fill needs so much better this year. They really didn't have too much of a chance last year.
ReplyDeleteLast year they had to fill spots more than fill needs...
ReplyDeleteThis year they are doing a very good job of filling needs.
wtc,
ReplyDeleteI'll try to find out...Last I read they were expecting him but that could have changed recently I suppose.
One other note about filing the 5 spots from the 2009 class. Use it or lose it. They have to find a kid that is graduating in December and can play ball. If it is an LB, take him. You need that body if he can play because if you don't you lose that scholly spot.
ReplyDeleteFSJ-just asking, follow them even les sthan I do AU in recruiting so I do not know much at all about who is coming in or what is going over there.
ReplyDeleteGood thing we didn't waste a scholly on Philip Rivers as a QB. He's clearly a TE or DE.
ReplyDeleteI am liking the way this teams is going to look next season. QB is really the only position I have huge concerns. The rest of the offense looks pretty solid.
ReplyDeleteThe loss of Coleman on defense hurts, but when you consider the players we have that can step in and the inevitable improvement at linebacker, it is hard to see this defense not being much improved.
I am looking forward to the 2010 season. The young players we played this season will pay dividends.
Young is out.. this sucks, I finally had someone at QB who could put up some points on my fantasy team.
ReplyDeleteI'm gonna be seriously upset if my fantasy team loses because of monster days by Ryan Grant and Jamaal Charles.
ReplyDeleteMy opponent has Ray Rice AND Ryan Grant, so obviously I'm gonna lose. Now I just lost my QB who was having a great game. Looks like I'm going to be the 4 seed in the playoffs after not being out of the top 2 spots since Week 3.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrXGNL1NLSI
ReplyDeleteWho was that guy from the 80's with the number 34... He seemed to be pretty good.
ReplyDeleteAromashodu got a TD today. The Fox guys couldn't pronounce his name.
ReplyDeleteNice link DM. That run from Rudi against Wyoming still blows my mind.
ReplyDeleteExcellent video, D. Miller
ReplyDeleteAny opinions on Tate's replacement? I am guessing that Smith is the guy, at least to start the season, and Dyer gets more carries as the season goes on.
ReplyDeleteI would agree with that Steve, alot depends on how Dyer does pass blocking. Anyone (WTC) know good he is supposed to be on that front.
ReplyDeleteI haven't seen too much on Aycock so I can't really guess where he might fit in.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if any NFL team has both won and lost by 40 in the same season... the Titans are about to do it.
ReplyDeleteWake, that is pretty amazing. I would guess no, but I don't follow the pros.
ReplyDeleteNew thread UPZ.
ReplyDeleteIm at the eye doc. Eyes are dilated. Cant read anything.
ReplyDeleteJust shameful no one flipped this.
ReplyDeleteshameful.
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