Friday overflow/HoF update
Once a blog post hits 200 comments, it throws new comments on a second page.
That's confusing.
So I'm creating this thread. That way we don't get lost.
Carry on.
HALL OF FAME UPDATE: Let's all congratulate Michael and Cory for being added to the "Notable Newcomers" list. Well done!
That's confusing.
So I'm creating this thread. That way we don't get lost.
Carry on.
HALL OF FAME UPDATE: Let's all congratulate Michael and Cory for being added to the "Notable Newcomers" list. Well done!
posted by Jay G. Tate at
7:05 PM
170 Comments:
Is it just me or does all of today's discussion merit a campfire?
I really would like some help here if anybodies got any so here it is again
aight Hotties I need some advice. At my job I feel like my boss is driving the store into the ground. He has an extremely high turn over(i almost quit) and we lost our fifth outside salesman today. I really want the best for the store and of course I want to make more money. Neither is happening as long as the store continues to stink. I talk to my bosses boss on a regular basis and he has asked me to keep him posted on my bosses status. So here we are another salesman gone and we are continuing to sink. Do I throw him under the bus to the big boss? My boss is a helluva salesman and won't go sale cause he is the "Branch Manager" so he doesn't think he has too. I jsut need help Hotties. I am not in a position to really take his job and I know I still have more to learn but this guy is sinking us and frankly i'm tired of it..any help?
Phil is that you?
wartiger - First, shame on big boss for putting you in that position. That's bad management (but not uncommon).
What is more important to you? Little boss or keeping your job? If little boss tries to fire you will big boss save you?
And no, I couldn't make it work.
LMAO Sean
Glad you caught that Monica...and for wartiger...for now sounds "you" are SOL.
The board of trustees has a big decision to make. Do you give the guy a couple of seasons to fix it or do you bring in a new fired up coach to grap the players and get them fired up right away.
How much is that worth to them.
Tennessee gave Fulmer time to "fix" his issues and you see how that went.
Surely that's going to affect Auburn's decision-making.
Also, just going back through some parts of the WVU game ... Auburn's defense doesn't change its look very often.
Remember how Muschamp was always changing fronts and trying to trick offenses?
Rhoads is on the other end of that spectrum. I'm no coach, but it seems like being so basic sets you up for serial exploitation.
Jay, what's your over/under on Fulmer's time left at UT?
It's fun watching the WVU folks defend their fans on the Marshall WVU smack board. Someone has posted several of the stories that have been written about their bad behavior at the Auburn game.
I'm sure that's what Auburn is looking at right now.
They also might thinking that they need to get some calls made early and decide if they are going to keep Tub or not, because they don't want coaches to have to make a decision between Auburn and Tennessee, because as much as I hate to admit it, most coaches will pick an opening at UT over Auburn.
I am assured a position in the company regardless unless something dramatic happens but see...this is hard without names so I just wanna know if it is a good idea to go to the big boss and tell him what I think the problem is..my boss is a great salesman just not a manager..i don't know he's not a bad guy just a poor decision maker and a detriment to the store in my opinon. I'll say this a little more experience and I KNOW I could do better..
I'll go back through the process and get back to you monica unless someone smarter than me let's you know first on how to help a HOTTIE out and tell her how to make HABTON one of the blogs she's following on her profile. Don't mean to get off football here but i know that there are some pretty sucessful people that blog here so figured I'd give it a shot
I got the place to myslef tonight..is there a campfire planned?
I was hoping for a campfire also...
I wasn't planning a campfire.
I figure a Friday after a blowout loss won't yield significant crowds. Maybe I'm wrong?
wartiger - You're welcome to email if you like. You can help me with my link and I'll help you with your job thing. I promise I have good credentials for helping you out if you like.
monica_wareagle@yahoo.com
Fulmer's gotta be fired soon.
If they lose big to Alabama tomorrow, surely that's it. Right?
I can campfire and watch Most Haunted at the same time. Greg's up for it too.
Jay
48 hours
1,200 miles
4 hours sleep
????
If Tubs is gone this year, does the huge payout come from private funds and not actually from the University?
i was thinking the same thing Jay. THought i'd ask dont know if I am even in the mood for a fire really just wanted to make sure I was there since I could be without interuption.
monica-thanks..I'll take you up on that soon. you're not just doing that cause I voted for you are you?
get some rest Jay..we'll be ok
Yes, that's the only reason I'm doing it. Just keeping my constituents happy.
OF COURSE IT'S NOT THE REASON. I just have so much wisdom I'm compelled to share it.
cough
as far as fulmer goes..well how similar is the fulmer situation to the AU situation....I'm still on CTTs' side here..if I say fire Fulmer I think I would be contradicting myself..at least he has a national championship..
good enough for me
I try not to be one of those "what have you done for me lately" kinda guys. It is about a body of work. Old cliche I know..seems to be fair though..
Wartiger:
If your boss continues to run the place into the ground as you describe, then eventually he or she will have to figure out the problem on their own or they will be run. Simple physics...crap runs downhill. This situation you speak of is as common in the US as chopsticks are in Japan. Eventually you have to decide to ride it out, see what happens or get off the ship. Either way you have to remain positive. Negativity breeds misery in all phases of life.
the he or she being your bosses boss
hey hotties. Checkin' in from the Texas Roadhousein Knoxville. A lot of orange up here
campfire tonight=less sleep for Jay=uncharacteristically subpar journalism next week. We can make do.
Hey Doug - Y'all must be taking the scenic route. Don't forget to take the 627/Winchester shortcut to avoid Lexington. :-)
it's a he kris..I think you were asking that. My boss and my bosses boss have been working together longer than I have been at this store. So my bosses boss is just to nice to pull the trigger or he would have done it a long time ago. Other "Branch Managers" have been fired for less than what my boss has done to this store. I know this "my bosses boss" stuff is confusing so thanks kris..any job is what you make of it. I sometimes forget that logic
where do we hit that, monica?
Another thing to consider here is CTT's contract. As a university, Auburn should not sign long term contracts with coaches they don't want to keep. To fire him now, would say that it was a bonehead move signing him to a long term contract. I don't see him as so bad that Auburn couldn't honor his contract.
Instead of using $6 million to get rid of a coach, use $6 million to attract an excellent offensive coordinator.
If I were making the decision on whether to keep Tuberville, I would make it clear to him that things had to change and ask about his plans on correcting the situation. I wouldn't tell him what should be done. I would leave it up to him to make those decisions.
If the answer I got was that we should simplify our offense, then he wouldn't make it out the door working for Auburn. If he has a plan that seems reasonable, I would tell him I would consider it. A head coach is more of a manager than a coach. It is up to him to make the hard decisions. Hopefully Tuberville is willing to do that.
i'll probably check back with you larer HOTTIES..if not thanks for the advice WAR EAGLE
Doug - Heading north on I-75, about 20 miles south of Lexington you'll see the markers for 627/Winchester signs. It's just north of Richmond, KY. It will save you about 30 minutes. You'll go through the small town of Winchester and follow the signs to I-64 East. From there you're about an hour and 20 minutes to Grayson.
monica and her "wisdom" unbelivable!!
LOL I've just made that gosh awful drive a million times since 1995.
and no wonder you're in sales
I could have used you during my lobbying days.
monica, you're the bomb!!!!! :)
My first newspaper job: The Winchester (Ky.) Sun.
No kiddin.
Awww shucks, Doug.
Cool, we could play the Kevin Bacon game with Jay.
Winchester has certainly developed over that past few years.
wartiger - Your responsibility is to be honest with your boss and tell them the skinny, that they are being watched, you are worried about how they handle some stuff, etc. It sounds like you are on pretty friendly terms with this person if you are scared of telling the boss's boss the truth. If you don't feel that comfortable, just be honest when the boss's boss asks you stuff. Hopefully the boss's boss will let the boss know what is wrong, and also give the boss a chance to fix it.
You are not responsible for the boss, you are just responsible for working hard yourself and being honest. Follow those two things and you won't have regrets.
- this passage was from a Dr. Phil book. Or maybe it was the Children's Book Click Clack Moo. I gotta be honest, I read mostly children's books these days.
Are we having a campfire? I have to put my daughter to bed and can be available around 9:30...what say you peeps?
Steve,
I can appreciate your last assesment, the university would look ridiculous for extending a guys contract and firing him the next year. I'd also agree that you typically shouldn't sign a longterm contract unless you willing to stick to it for a significant portion of the time period. However, Auburn will honor the contract by paying the $6M buyout.
Having said that, lets assume Tubs stays and wins the SEC in 2009. Do you really think he won't go back to his old tricks/games to extend and up his contract? It's probably time for both sides to move on.
on the road again ... Have a great night folks!
wartiger, I didn't realize you were seriously referring to yourself in that post, otherwise I wouldn't have been so abrasive with my SOL comment. I could have sworn you were trying to make an analogy with the coaching situation. My apologies, but I'm glad other posters have given some good advice.
If we are gonna have a campfire, I need to know soon...The wife is asking about the six inch italian again. Not sure where she is going with that... (G)
No go on the campfire.
I'm basically out of it with fatigue, we're having a family movie night here at Chez Tate and I've got WEEZER tomorrow night.
(Yes, I'm going.)
i thought the same thing about wartiger's post. I got completely lost trying to figure out which coach was little boss, big boss, and salesman. I'm retarded.
Jay, I'm very envious that you get to see Weezer...anyway have a great night at the house and enjoy the concert, keep up the good work, love the blog. Goodnight HOTTIES.
Anyone watching the Boise State game?
frizzle,
thanks for reminding me about Boise. After last night, I need a big dose of offense.
good call, Jay
Enjoy!
Texas Tech and Oklahoma State play tomorrow. They bring the offense.
War Tiger, I got confused as to which boss was supposed to be CTT?
I had some serious reading to do to catch up from where I left of.
Phred- Being on the fence is exactly where I am at, but then again...
Jay- Hits on the point that concerns me in that this situation is very similiar to Fulmer at Tennessee, and giving him more time was a mistake. ALso, enjoy Weezer and the movie tonight. We all appreciate what you do and the time you take out your personal life to share with your extended Auburn family.
Monica- I've determined that you must have manned the phone at Foy Union at some time in your life. Your freakin' wikipedia :).
Steve- For some odd reason, a lot of Coaches get fired after signing big contract extensions. Terry Bowden, Tommy Bowden, Phil Fulmer???, Mike Shula jutt to name a few. I believe these all included buyouts.
Thats all for the moment.
Boise is making a very good SJSU defense look silly. That D has at least as many if not more pro prospects on it as ours.
Weezer rocks!"if you want to destroy my sweater, hold this thread while I walk away (while I walk awayyyy)".....
aight hotties....my bad on all the confusion just needed some help..but tell you what though ya'll came through in a big way..not only did I get some advice but I also laughed harder than i have laughed in a week..thanks HOTTIES...geez what a find. WAR EAGLE
wartiger, to my mind, the bosses boss should have a reasonable, quantifiable performance expectation for the boss and should not rely on you or any other person (who may or may not have an ulterior motive) to sway his decision. for example, if one of my goals is retaining trained workers, i would not appreciate a boss that runs them off regularly. if you aren't in line for the job, and you are not in a postition to lose your current position, i do not see an upside to discussing your boss with the bosses boss (boss' boss?)and i can see plenty of downside. best of luck. wde
while I may not be in a direct postion for Branch manager job I am however quickly becoming qualified for the outside sale job (need more practice) which is a step up..in pay anyway..but we have went through so many outside sales guys that I am reluctant to put myslef in that postion when I may have an influence on wehter or not my boss keeps his job. "May" being the key word there
anybody ever tried this game? http://flashfabrica.com/f_learning/brain/brain.html
About Tubs like Phil - sure, it could turn out that way, but it could also turn out like JoePa at Penn State. You never know what will happen. It could be like Bobby Bowden at FSU. Or it could be like Jackie Sherril at Miss St. Or Lloyd Carr at Michigan. Or Tommy Bowden at Clemson.
You know, I started this post to try to show it could go either way by naming examples on both sides, but man, it usually goes bad, doesn't it? Not very good for my "keep tubs" case. Tuberville himself is one of the only modern success stories. A tale of caution, of course, would be the firing of Frank Solich, and that is what I think of. Don't get caught up on "the grass is greener." It's been pretty darn green.
I am eating Krispy Kreme HOT donuts. They should be the official food of the Hotties. They are so stuffin delicious.
7-3 is the best i've done my age is 23..it is suppose to tell you the age of your brain
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
Thomas Paine kinda sums up how I feel right now.
Just rewatched Breaker Morant again today. Great movie. I have this weakness for Austrailian movies. How about you all?
dude, that link has a bunch of chinese language on it! I think we are all now being tracked by the communist chinese government. Thanks a lot, pal!
Even though Big boss has asked you to keep an eye on Little Boss, Big and Little are friends. You are in a no win situation if you "share info" on Little Boss. Big Boss is NOT a good manager or he would have never asked you to do that. So, we're going to assume the worst with Big. Such as, you give Big something on Little Boss and Big gets defensive. Or Big thinks what you reported wasn't report worthy. Or Big decides you're a snitch (even though you're doing what he asked.)
My Bottom Line: Report nothing to Big. If Big asks you can say "fine" or you can give a half honest, mostly ambiguous, "I think he's doing the best he can" or frame the truth in a way that sounds like you're trying to help. "Little boss could do better if he had more help/more money/whatever." OR you could "Little boss is so busy maybe I could help him by jumping on those outside sales."
I agree with everyone who says be a straight shooter. But that works when you have people around you who are either also straight shooters or don't have your future in their hands. Big Boss (not you) has set up this organizational culture. Now you have to survive it.
Hello, Foy Student Union. :-)
Michael, you're now a "Notable Newcomer."
You deserve it. You're extremely funny.
7-3... says my age is 26 I think. I will be 26 in a few days, so close enough.
unfortunately, doughnuts don't go well with beer.
thank you Jay. I was just being myself, not even trying to be all that funny (well, OK, I actually try really really REALLY hard to be funny, but let's pretend I am cool and don't care what others think)
Oh, and don't worry about those posts without the Jan Terri pic, they will never happen again.
Jay G,
When you worked in Winchester, did they make you drink Ale 8 One? I really like the stuff m self. I always bring a half case back with me.
Jay,
Maybe we'll cross paths tomorrow at the concert. I'll be the guy who knows about 5 songs from Weezer and nothing about the other two bands at all.
I think what should keep Tuberville his job is his willingness to change. Shula went bye bye largely because he kept Dave Rader. Like I say, a head coach is more of a general manager/recruiter. If CTT isn't willing to make changes, I would say he goes the way of Shula, but I think you will see something from him. I don't know what.
Also, I kind of think of this year as similar to when Dye went away from the wishbone, except the transition was easier. It was safer to stay with the wishbone, but it was very clear after Texas A&M handed us our heads in the Cotton Bowl that a change had to be made. For those of you who didn't see that Cotton Bowl game, I have attempted to wipe it from my memory, but basically we saw what happens when a wishbone offense can't run. I think about the Hendenburg every time I think of that game. Oh, the humanity.
With all our opinions on Big Boss and such, it makes me think this should be like a philosophy/ethics forum in the offseason. Someone buy up a textbook and pose the tough questions throughout the year to keep the hotties sassified.
Quick: you are in the African jungle, adn you come upon a village. These dudes are tearing it apart killing everyone, but they are not threatening you. Their leader comes up and says, "Here is a gun, foreigner. Shoot this father of 3 in the head, or we will kill everyone. If you shoot him, we will kill no one else." The gun is in your hand. The dude is telling you "Please, no! I have kids!" except he says it with those clicking sounds, and you understand him because you know clicking sounds. What do you do?
so here's how I've taken from what I've gotten so far..shoot it straight..worst case scenario is I lose my job and now I post my resume here..then again this is a AU blog so..CTT FOR PRESIDENT!!
Jay G
You need a cool nickname,,,like Breaker Tate and some cool facial hair or something
Ron Jeremy mustache?
Jay could use the nickname "Turbo-Laser." I offered it to Tim, but he didn't want it. If Jay doesn't want it, well then, maybe I should reconsider the amount of pride I have in making awesome nicknames.
Tiger, lose your job in this economy and you are, as they say, up an unsanitary tributary with no visible means of locomotion.
I just saw myself on the TV and just enjoyed our first drive that took a lot of the first quarter lastnight.
There were a few good moments lastnight. Kickoff returns were really nice.
Gotta find something good.
I am thinking something like a cool handlebar moustache like in Breaker Morant or like Rollie Fingers.
I am also finally seeing Erin Andrews up close. Don't get the close up being at the game.
Nice pic McFadden!!
that really made no sense. now I know why they give you the preview blog option..the point is..good looking out today..where I got advice I will read again. I got things to learn and I am proud to part of a fan base where I not only become more of an AU fan...I can get some help from some of the most intelligent people I'll probably ever talk to..so once again HOTTIES I appreciate ir and thanks Jay for giving guys like me a forum for not just AU but for the AU family
michael I think you owe your promotion to me :-)
Tiger, Kris is right. Now is not the time. If you have credibility within the organization you just need to manage your manager. If
2nd line asks offer some suggestions but never make it about your boss. Always be positive.
Deep Thoughts by
Jack Handy (au1n04)
Monica, I owe everything to you. It would be easier to list the things I don't owe to you. Let's see... my plaid cargo shorts from 10 years ago, my Deep Purple Greatest Hits CD, my thermal underwear... that's about it. The rest is all you!
And congratulations on being the first non-family member to "follow" my blog. Big time, here I come!!!
Wartiger ... I've been informed that this is a real situation so here is my advice.
Patience really is a virute. I've learned that the hardest of hard ways. Just do what you are supposed to do, and do it as well as you can. The rest will take care of itself. The people around you who need to know the things you know, most likely already do.
Just keep your eyes open for opportunities to prove your worth, and let the chips fall as they may.
That's my two cents.
Michael, Your generosity is surpassed only by your smartassocity.
I'm just happy to be one of the little people you stepped on on your way to the top.
Viva Le Die Before You Die!
Congrats Michael and Cory. Well deserved. Are we still talking about Big Boss and Little Boss?
here is my plan as it stands. I need more traing in outside sales. The little boss(aka my boss) has somewhat agreed to provide that training. My respect for my boss comes from his willingness to teach me things. Little did he know that his training me may lead to his demise or that could just be arrogance talking. I will continue doing what I am doing for now until I've gotten some expeirence in outside sales. Just rockin on is the conservative move on this now but I do have the advantage of being young so I don't need to allow my ambition to be my downfall.
I'm catching up with Last night's office. That show gets funnier each time I watch it.
If anyone hears a T. R. Miller high school score, holla. I can't find it online.
Tiger,
Your boss should be investing time in you to hopefully work himself out of the job. The thought is he'll get promoted as you get promoted. My best unsolicited advice is to not complain about your work, company, or boss and work harder than anyone else. That's generally a recipe for success. Also, don't throw your direct boss under the bus unless he's doing something unethical or against company policy. You're better off playing the politics of the situation to help you get what you want long term.
Where's TR Miller? I've been watching some high school football on CSS wondering how many of these guys could start for Auburn today. Also wondering what the buyout would be on the OC for St. Pius.
jay,
how would you rank the attractiveness of potential open jobs?
Auburn
Tenn
Clemson
Not sure if there is any other closing on the situation right now, but feel free to add
T. R. Miller is in Brewton, Alabama. Just north of Pensacola, FL. We have a recruit from EAST Brewton - W. S. Neal high school.
VRGA- Good advice to Wartiger. You never want to get caught up in politics. Picking sides only can really bite you in the long run of things. Just keep plugging away and do your job better than the rest and good things will come. They always do.
Tim:
1- Tennessee
2- Auburn
3- Clemson
That's my opinion.
When I was at Auburn I worked as a telemarketer calling Brewton to do government survey's. At least every other person I talked to complained about people selling crack in broad daylight. A lot of people complained about kudzu as well. That's the extent of my knowledge of Brewton.
st pius has an oc?
LOL cudzu and crack - that's wicked
I never saw anyone selling anything on the streets of Brewton. That's funny. There are only 3 or 4 streets in Brewton.
AHSAA finally posted the Miller score. TRM 35 Choctaw Co 14.
My TRM tigers are undefeated. Ranked #1 in 3A in the state and #77 in the nation. I have to find my fooball joy where I can these days.
eddie, I agree. I heard that UT has the largest recruiting budget in the country. They have a huge stadium, although the last time I saw it, it appeared pretty run down. The Knoxville area is a great atmosphere. Tennessee also has a different kind of schedul. Their toughest typically come in the middle of the season, so near the end of the season they have a chance to get people healthy for an SECCG. It is a big advantage in my opinion.
I'd throw Texas A&M into the mix, aren't they a little unstable? I'd rank
UT
Clemson
Texas A&M
Auburn
There's no reason Clemson shouldn't be more competitive in the ACC with FSU and the U being down. All they need is the right coach and he'll be a hero. Texas A&M has a large recruiting and fan base. They should be able to pay more than Auburn.
This might not be a great year to go shopping for a new head coach, but change is always painful.
Monica,
I heard that Brewton was in the line of drug traffic headed north from Florida? That was 10 years ago now, so maybe they've cleaned up the streets and kudzu, that was by far the worst job I've ever had.
I think if Texas A&M would have to be behind Auburn, especially if they only give Sherman one year to be HC. The SEC will pay more money than the ACC Jobs with the exception of FSU. Auburn is better situated in the recruiting base than Clemson, so I that is my logic why Auburn is #2 of available jobs. Tennessee has money and great facilities. Neyland isn't run down, its just the tiniest 100K stadium that I have ever seen. Growing up in Tennessee, I promise you that place gets nuts and very load when they have something to cheer about.
loud not load. Geez my spelling is bad lately.
My line of thinking is that UT and Clemson are top dogs in their state, and Clemson is in an easier conference. At Auburn we're asking a coach to come coach against Saban, mad hatter, Petrino, Nutt, and Richt every year. We're also asking him to go up against Saban to recruit in-state talent. It can be done, but if Clemson is offering the same amount of money, someone might prefer that situation. Plus, Clemson stayed with Bowden a lot longer without him winning anything substantial.
I haven't lived there since 1994, but next you'll be telling me Andy is selling crack out of the Mayberry courthouse!
I can see that side. Would that mean that everyone's pipe dream coach Butch Davis would stay at North Carolina???
Andy "Nipped it in the Bud"
I always thought Barney was hoped up on something...
lol Barney broke it down for 'em and cleaned it up.
Barney was from Morgantown, btw
Don Knotts
Butch Davis isn't who I want, I'd prefer Mike Gundy, no clue if he'd be interested in Auburn, but he's making around $1M so you'd have to believe he'd be interested in making $2m-$3m.
goodnight Hotties
I would imagine, Gundy being a man and all, would be interested in Auburn. He is an interesting choice if one is needed.
Goodnight Monica.
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Mike Gundy is nuts.
Here are my rankings:
UT
Auburn
Clemson
About being in the easier conference: that would be logical to want, but coaches are generally a pretty cocky bunch. They think they can win anywhere.
Texas A&M is interesting. I read they have a crazy amount of money to throw around. But they've had chances to get high profile coaches, and they haven't done all that well.
just got in from my 1st high school football game in 7 years. it sure takes a long time to read 100+ posts cold doesn't it?
wartiger, much luck to you in your current work situation. the advice shared by the Hotties sounds solid. i'm not in the best of work situations myself. your question has helped me out a little too. thanks bud.
Gundy isn't nuts, "HE'S A MAN, HE'S 40!". I want a little mental instability in my next head coach. Gundy is selling crazy and I'm buying.
Mike Gundy got blown out by Troy last year. I would hate to see us go after him just because he is having a good year.
HS Football is great. I wish I could go see my team play. We are on a roll. Just beat the #1 team in the state last week 31-3.
The coach we need to go after is plain and simple !! Butch Davis..he is just as good or better of a recruiter as Saban.he works at it and is motivated to beat a guy like saban.Pay him whatever it takes to get him here and let's get started.
War Tiger..this is tricky stuff to answer w/o knowing a lot more details. You have gotten some good advice so far. I'll add the following.
Do your job as good as you can. Don't get invilved in any gossip or discusion with other employees or the immediate boss. Do what you boss wants.
Do not lie to the big boss if asked questions. you can answer truthfully, but may have to be purposefully vague to do so. If the big boss is worthy of his position, he will recognize what you are doing and carefully ask you more questions. At some point you may have to state that you are being put in an uncomfortable situation. That should say enough to the Big Boss.
Good Luck and War Eagle!
Tonight- I'm taking the midnight train. Going anywhere. I don't care. Big cities do that to a man recovering from cocaine.
Congrats to Michael and Cory.
If you are up on Saturday morning, tune in to the Gridiron Breakdown (show link) from 9:30-11:00 am CDT.
We'll talk about the biggest games of the college football weekend.
Thanks to Jay G. and all the Hotties for your support.
I've seen all the arguments for keeping/ditching Tuberville.
Put me in the keep column.
The very reason you're all whining about 'expectations' is directly due to his acheivements as a coach. People cite the 'trend' in conference games and 'playmakers' and 'recruiting'.
Ever wonder what the effects of 'Jetgate' were on recruiting for this team? We are now seeing the senior/junior-redshirt class that was recruited immediately after that time.
He's a great coach, has built a quality system without resorting to NCAA violations (at a place that is rife with that kind of stuff historically) is trying hard to do things the right way, and has a winning steak over our bitterest rival.
He's also a decent guy that I would want to coach my kids at any level. I wouldn't change him for any coach that I've seen Bama hire over the last fifteen years.
You really want someone like Saban? Francione? Price? Weis? Rodrieguez? It's a crap shoot when picking high-price coaches, and not all of them turn out well.
Ten to fifteen years of mediocre coaches that change out every three years is not my idea of fun as a fan.
Hotties,
It has occurred to me that we haven't seen this whole Auburn team show up to a game yet.
La. Monroe - Part O, Most D
Southern Miss - Part O, Part D
Miss. St - No O, All D
Tenn. - Some O, Most D
LSU - Half O, Half D
Vandy - Quarter O, Half D
Arkansas - Barely O, Some D
WVU - Quarter O, Quarter D
I'm curious as to when this team will completely be there for a game. I know it's hard to get the whole team in for each game, but we haven't had one complete one yet.
Also, the Tennessee situation is an example of a guy who made limited changes. Fulmer went "back" to Cutcliffe who up and left for Duke(?) after a couple years. Then, he hired and HC from Richmond (go Spiders) to run the offense but recruting efforts on Rocky Top have remained pitiful.
If Auburn sticks with Tubs (and I think we should), that'll be how we tell if it was a good idea. If this team is in '98 mode in a few years from not recruiting playmakers on BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL, that rests on the CEO.
I know Tubs believes (as do many others) that defense wins championships. That's only true when you can consistently score points above what your defense allows from the opposition.
Give Tubs a chance.
P.S. If he blows it, The Powers That Be will know not to do that again.
In between giving Buffy and Angel hell, that is.
Morning Hotties!! I woke up this morning realizing it's becoming easier to accept these losses, that's when you know it's time for a change.
Sullivan said "Ever wonder what the effects of 'Jetgate' were on recruiting for this team? We are now seeing the senior/junior-redshirt class that was recruited immediately after that time."
The jetgate kids would have been freshmen in 04 or redshirt freshmen in 05. So they would already be gone, or seniors if they were redshirt. Which means other than the 5th year seniors, everyone else was recruited post 2004 when it would seem we would have our best chance to get the prime athletes.
We don't have that many seniors on the team at all this year, which means most of the people getting playing time were recruited after the undefeated season and if we capitalized on that season correctly, should be a lot of talent...if we didn't then we didn't recruit very well.
Obviously you think Tub can turn it around. I really hope you are correct, but I just don't have confidence that he'll make the right cuts, and the right hires and let them do the coaching they need to do.
RK, in your opinion, do we have a shot at a bowl this year?
If not, that'll be the first since year 1999 we haven't been bowling at the end of the year.
We have an outside shot at a bowl.
It's probably going to take a win at Ole Miss. We could beat UGA or Alabama, but I just don't see it how we are playing right now.
Tub has pulled big games out of nowhere before, so there is always a chance.
Right now I just see the record being 5-7.
How many bowl ties does the SEC have this year? Sill 8?
If we do get one, it'll be the Papa Johns Bowl, just to spike the attendance.
I think we still have 8, yes.
PapaJohns Bowl...well, at least it'll be close by. Though, I may rent a car in case of random crime near LeJunk Field.
Good morning.
I was just reading some old articles just before the start of the season---you know, when we heard reports that our offense was just "schooling" the defense.
Man.
September seems like a million years ago.
Clarification--
That our offense was "schooling" the defense in practice.
I bet we win 6 and go to a bowl game this year. I just believe that even though logic tells me otherwise. But me in the column to Tubs, but I'm done defending him.
The offense should be able to put up good numbers in those scrimmages and practices since there is very little contact or blitzes allowed.
Sorry, Put me in the column to keep Tubs, but like I said, I'm done defending him.
Eddie...
Which two games do you think we'd win?
well nothing left to cheer today except for two things. I will cheer for the lsu tigers and the vols, all day baby. I would cheer against the tide in a charity golf tournament, i would cheer against the tide if they were up against al qaida, so yes the hate keeps me warm.
Seems the coaches and players for auburn are all pretty down, I cant find out much new info., I only had hope for making a run if we showed improvement, which we havent. I am totally at a loss for words. I follow football all day, even I cant explain it. I think there are a million things that have gone wrong.
Georgia and Alabama :)!!!!!!
Actually, I say UT Martin of course and Like I said, I just believe he will pull a rabbit out of the hat somewhere else.
Right now 11 of the 12 SEC teams have a shot at a bowl game. All of the below have at least 3 wins and would have to go at least 3-2 to get to 6-6.
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
South Carolina
Alabama
LSU
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Auburn
If it comes down to a 6-6 Auburn and a 6-6 Vandy to go to a bowl, we'll be just sitting at home watching the bowl games...which is fine with me, because I don't feel 6-6 is bowl worthy anyway.
I agree RK. A 6-6 Vandy team deserves it more. I Still feel like you should have a winning record to go to a bowl game.
I'm headed to a fall festival today. Pull the LSU Tigers and the Vols on today. Keep on keeping it real HOTTIES.
yes like bama going at 6-6, to me thats a disgrace, its like giving your kids a 4th place trophy telling them they are all winners, no they were not, they lost, this season is awash to me, Not alot of hope...when we were hope 17-3 this week, i got so depressed, i thought of the vandy game.
It has been a tough year for our seniors. I hate Brad Lester has had such a quiet year, Rod Smith too, Cox at least got Smith the ball. Tez Doolittle has been a big surprise he has helped our d line. Jason Boseley he has been back and forth on the line all year. The 2 linebackers have had quiet years as well. I would say Tez has been the lone bright spot. Tyrone Green has not gotten any ink this year, probably because the line has been tough to stomach.
i'm all for us going to a bowl at 6-6 (if we get there). my feeling is that the more practice you get in Dec. the better since we'll be breaking in 'at least' a new OC. however, that didn't work out to well this year so what do i know?
Someone said earlier that Gundy was crazy. What Gundy did last year was defend his player to someone in the media who called him a "mama's boy". In doing that he took a lot of heat and got made fun of by many...but he also won his team over as a guy who would stand up for his team.
I think he did what was best for his team and is better now because of it, because his team believes he is a guy they can follow because he won't let them down.
However, don't think for a second we can get him from OK State, they have one of the wealthiest most influential boosters in all of college sports in T. Boone Pickens who will pay whatever it takes to keep him if thats the coach he wants.
Scottie,
I agree that for practice purposes, it is good to get the bowl. However it's a reward for being mediocre.
Tubbs stays, he gets another year to get better, he will I think have to make hiring changes, not only due to pressure, but due to him knowing his job is on the line.
rewarding mediocrity? i agree RK. but this isn't 1974. too many bowls out there. might as well get in one. i still think it's better from a perception standpoint for recruiting. "hey, Auburn, they stink, they couldn't even make it to a bowl last year...blah, blah, blah."
If we can some how get past Ole Miss and gain a little confidence, maybe we can take one of UGA or UAT. What say you?
Can we beat Ole Miss? hell yeah, no doubt, we have twice the talent they have. But are shellshocked and have been all year. I agree Pat Dye did a good job of getting the team to get mad and man up. We have to get pissed and salvage our season. Our D Line has to get better and put pressure on Snead, if not he will eat our weak db's up all day long. In addition we have to stop their D Line, our offensive line has played terrible. Lets not forget Enrique Davis, former signee, who I am sure wants to take it to us.
scottie b...u wanna book a room at hornet's house for the papajohns.com bowl? I haven't been to Legion Field since 98 Iron Bowl
Cory, don't ask me. i thought we would win the last 3 games. have no flippin' clue.
hornet, if we actually pull out 2 more wins count me in. not counting chickens just yet!
GO VOLS!
Why isn't the Papa Johns bowl in Louisville since that's where Papa Johns stadium is located?
Jay, I gots a suggestion. You should have a best avatar award. I like Michael's. It make me think fanatic fan every time I look at it.
Sorry for the late start today.
We had a soccer game at EIGHT O'CLOCK, but we won 5-3. We're all very proud ... even though our deadbeat coach didn't show up.
Nerd.
(I'm building a new blog entry.)
Quick recruiting question - anyone heard anything about Freddie Smooth, a DL from New Orleans who didn't qualify and was placed? Is he still onboard and will he play at AU in 2009?
Thank you. I am proud of my avatar. I think it lends an accusatory tone to my arguments with the finger-pointing and everything. Kind of like going all caps without actually having to go all caps. That sort of edge is really helpful in these online discussions.
Wake Forest 7, Miami 0
It is wild how times have changed. There was a time when that game would have been like a VW microbus versus an 18 wheeler. Oooh, how times have changed.
Freddie Smooth? Ummmm. I don't know.
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