The HABOTN plan
I have more newspaper work than usual tonight, so that will tie me up for the next two hours or more.
My goal is to hold a campfire tonight, but it could be really late. Like midnight. I'm sure some of you will be around and chatty at that time ...
Players were available for interviews. Assistant coaches were not.
I'm surprised.
SYNOPSIS:
My goal is to hold a campfire tonight, but it could be really late. Like midnight. I'm sure some of you will be around and chatty at that time ...
Players were available for interviews. Assistant coaches were not.
I'm surprised.
SYNOPSIS:
- Tuberville said he's now considering all options at quarterback. That includes Barrett Trotter and, I guess, Neil Caudle.
- Here's the complete line from Tuberville about his job situation: "I hope to be here. If you have good years and then you have one bad year, so be it. It will work its way out. I don't worry about those things. I worry about coaching. We've got five more games to go, and I'll let the higher-ups figure that out."
- Taking a page out of the (now defunct) MCP, Tuberville said the coaches again did a poor job of coaching tonight.
- Tuberville said it wasn't a mistake to fire Tony Franklin in the middle of a game week.
- As you expected, Auburn apparently streamlined its offense again. That's what Jason Bosley said. I believe him.
- Bosley said he found out about Tony Franklin's firing via cell phone from friends before he learned anything official.
posted by Jay G. Tate at
8:08 PM
112 Comments:
JG,
Do you have to be present for the camp fire? Can you leave it up to us?
Thanks for you hard work Jay...
Considering the situation, I think I need to be there for a campfire.
I'm the only one who can delete inappropriate posters.
It's great for 20 year old kids to have to face the media, but coaches making 100K and up don't face the music.
We've had 10 point leads in the 3rd quarter of all 3 losses this year.
That's horrible.
EK, I agree completely.
Coaches should have to answer for it before the players. Period.
I'm afraid I've witnessed the dimise of CTT @ Auburn tonight. Considering the circus that is the state of Auburn football, I would not be suprised if he is gone after this year, if not before......
Jay:
Did you ask CTT who he plans to fire this week?
Did he allude to the fact that it is still a chemistry problem with the coaches and players?
Did you ask him why, with him being more involved in the offense, he allowed the Auburn offense to call four straight passing plays inside the four?
Finally, when you have the opportunity, will you please ask him what is more important, unity on his staff, or success?
Jay, do you think the higher ups might be looking in the off week to pull the trigger early?
I know today will be justification to some that wanted Petrino 5 years ago, now they have just seen Petrino beat Tub on the field.
He didn't take a whole lot of questions tonight.
That's more than his assistants.
Aren't the tubby worshippers so happy now.
Next time you folks support Tubby over Auburn, remember this is the crap you get.
I don't expect Tuberville to be fired this week.
That would take a bad situation and make it that much worse. Auburn isn't a black hole in the national landscape at this point.
Another high-profile, mid-season firing (almost 10 years to the day of Bowden's mess) could be a huuuuuuuuge blow to the program's credibility.
I wonder what Tony and Al had for dinner as they watched the game together.
Auburn is having it handed to them now.
man a campfire right now would be nuts. Jay i am sure the hotties would behave without you. Tubbs looks like he wants to get fired. he looks like he has no fire in the gut.
I'll do a campfire after I get my first two stories out.
I'll shoot for 9:45 CDT.
I think I can make that deadline.
Tuberville said Arky was not going to let us run. Total BS! We didn't even legitimately try. We streamline the crappy spread offense against all odds. The defense is done if they ever really were that good. Bynes did a lot tonight but he's a step too slow in pass coverage. No pressure on their QB tonight.
Auburn got whacked for the second week in a row by an severly inferior opponent. The time is now. Tuberville is done. But the truth is probably that this was already decided upon before tonight's big load of cowshit.
I've always been ruluctant to blame coaches. Our offense problems are across the board, except for RB. The plays/schemes are schizophrenic.
CTT needs to decide what identity he wants for our offense. I would love to think he could get a consultant to come in and help.
I do not think we beat anyone but UT martin unless he gets someone else.
In these unsettled times I am still proud to be an Auburn alum. We have to realize that AU is far and away bigger than any one person. We all unite to make one special place. That said fire the whole staff and get started all over again. Rhodes is not happy he took this job.
Let's talk about something important. This year sucked and will continue to suck. It is a mathematical impossibility that Tubs survives this, so who's the next coach.
Is there anyone on this planet hotter than Erin Andrews?
tracey wolson
jenna fischer
Rhoades' defense absolutely sucked tonight when it mattered. We received a few gift turnovers but we couldn't do anything on third down. We didn't blitz at all. Our pass defense is still a weakness. Without Powers we hurt. McFadden can not catch.
I did not catch all of the game at the restaurant
I was in. How did Arky take the lead?
WHOOAAA! "Let the higher ups to figure that out"....did they decide on Franklin? Is that what we are to read into that comment. I thought that was all CTT. That is a huge statement what question led to that comment Jay?
Jenna Fischer, no doubt.
Jill Arrington is hotter in the "Sideline Reporter" category ...
Arkansas scored on a long run. There had to have been four missed tackles on that play alone.
Tuberville will not be here next year. You can't just bring in another OC and expect it to work. You have to clean house and rebuild. This is a done deal. Butch Davis keeps looking better.
Most schools that have had the success of CTT would never think of replacing their coach with one bad year.
I know why I dont want him. He was looking to leave last year.
But why does everyone else not think he deserve a bad year?
Jill's a slut...seriously.
Listen, guys. Let me show you something that makes this year even more mind boggling. Auburn needs 3 more wins to finish uo the regular season at 7-5. Look at the schedule. That's really impossible. This team will easily have a losing season.
Tuberville just seems tired. Maybe it was a mistake to resign him last year when it seemed to me he really wanted to bolt then. Then both sides couls have reached a "mutual" decision to go in a different direction. It is hard to believe how fast the wheels have fallen off what was a solid(I thought) program. What were his words? "I concur". If the fans have tuned him out, imagine how the players feel. And I totally agree on the post-game "non" interviews with assistants to put players out there to catch the heat. Whatever I may have thought about their coaching I thought the staff were better people than that. Very depressing night.
Butch Davis keeps looking better.????????????????????????
He is winning where he is? Why try to come to AU and start from the bottom up?
Because he is at a basketball school.
Sorry, but I would take Erin Andrews over anyone. There is just something about her. A few things, actually.
Johnny, what do you mean bottom? Auburn's loaded with talent and it's SEC ball. Tubs and crew have really gotten that bad. It's reality. Smell it.
Is UNC paying Butch 4 mill? Will they? Doubt it.
Tub said Ark was going to key to stop the run... our RB's only ran the ball 13 times tonight.
13 times!
Arkansas had given up 600 yards rushing in their last 3 games.
13 times!
Jay,
Do you think we ran the offense we did to try to show Franklin we could run his offense better than he did when he was here?
Mark, it's not one bad year. There has been a steady decline since 2004. We caught lightening in a bottle that year. We had that great talent the year before and finished 8-5.
Also, I believe you have to look deeper than the win/loss record. What about the times Tuberville's teams have come out completely unprepared and been embarrassed? The Capital One Bowl against Wisconsin, the 2006 & 2007 Georgia games, the games where Mississippi State and Arkansas beat us at home. Do our coaches make adjustments at halftime? It sure seems they don't.
"Jill's a slut...seriously. "
Is that a bad thing?
As far as the offense ... they were trying to emphasize the run, but didn't have time to add many formations to help them accomplish that goal.
I'm not a doctor, but 56 yards on 33 attempts is not good.
I have stated many times before on here that Tubs only does just enough to keep his hefty paycheck. This time I hope the check he gets is for retirement.
Jay, I can say with conviction that Auburn did not try to run the ball down Petrino's throat. And I totally expected that.
Jill's a slut? I'm with you. That's delicious. Wish I could sample the goods.
Really unreal against Arky 1st and goal on the 5 you should be able to run 4 times and score. Oh I forgot, they are almost as good as LSU. My bad.
13 carries for 52 yards was what the RB's had. That's a decent 4 yards per carry.
Burns had 15 for 38. That's. 2.5 per carry. For all of his athletic ability, he's pretty easy to take down and not that elusive.
Billings had 1 for 0 yards
And Todd had 1 carry and 3 sacks for -25 yards.
The RB's running the ball was fine. It's when the QB kept it that we didn't do much.
I'm just surprised we didn't use the RB's more...especially late in the 4th quarter from the 5 yard line.
How many of Burns 15 carries were designed, and how many were him getting frustrated after his 1st option wasn't there?
That retirement check would be $6 million. Then they'd have to pay another $4 or $5 million for a successor.
If that happens, Auburn will get a lot of negative publicity.
Maybe that's the right thing to do, but it'll come at a price for beyond cash.
Auburn only gets negative publicity
Jay Jacobs should be right behind Tubs when he leaves. He's making someone 6 million poorer for his contract negotiating skills.
From the national media that is
I was traveling all day and didn't hear one minute of the game, but after talking to a buddy and reading stats and comments it must have been awful. I'm in the camp that thinks its time for a change. Think where AU might be if jetgate had gone differently.
Total offense 193.
Total offense in the 4th: 110.
That's a BAD first three quarters.
Can Colonial add the 6 mil in thier bad debt loan bailout?
Jay,
Is raising the 6 million as simple as calling uncle bobby? If so, people need to lay off him. If I was dropping that kind of coin for other peoples mistakes, then I'd want to have some input as well.
The negative pub shouldn't matter. Just ask Alabama. There's a point where you don't care what people think. You bring in somebody that has a brand of football- winning football. Tuberville's brand is defense and ultra conservative offense, sort of. But the other end of sort of is he's totally clueless about offense.
Auburn can afford the negative pub. It's better than losing.
I think that kind of scratch would have to be pooled from several resources.
I don't care who you are -- $6 million is a lot of money in this economy.
Total offense in the 4th: 110.
And...most of that came on a 70+ yard, none scoring drive.
I thought Fred Talley graduated.
Red Sox have hit 3 solo homers in the 5th to tie it up at 5.
A non scoring drive that somehow all of the Burnsites are falling at his feet for.
The missed FG from Byrum was key again.
Had he kicked the 34 yarder he missed, then we are on the 5 yard line down 25-23 (or at worst 26-23 had Ark not gone for the 2 point conversion).
It's about time to see if we have a different kicker.
On a positive note Josh Bynes is really playing well.
Fred Talley...well played :)
The things I hate about the BBQ Boys
By Will Crudup
1. Awful QB recruiters
2. Awful QB developers
3. Awful in terms of talent placement in the offense- best players typically never "earn" a shot at significant PT. Prechae is about to be CFL Rookie of the Year.
4. Pass defense typically sucks.
5. O-line has been good, I mean good, 3 out of 10 years. Yet, Nall is widely considered a top O-line coach.
6. Awful WR developers aftern landing great talent from the blue chip ranks. How many 4 star WRs do we have and they are all mostly irrelevant.
7. Weakest sub plots as excuses for embarrassng losses. And there are many. When AU loses under this crew they lose big. A 3 pt loss to this year's edition of Arkansas is huge for example.
8. I could keep going if you like?
i dont think money would be aproblem. If the new hire is good and you market him well, roi is awesome. Just ask uat
BTW, I enjoyed Mario's touches tonight. It was well worth the money.
Also, do you really believe Trotter will be given a shot? How many Tuberville lies can you purchase and still have something left over to put food on the table?
After watching how bad we played vs a team who hasn't stopped the run all year...I'll believe anything.
Jill's a what???
Tubs should not be fired. Chill out!!! We're having a bad year but we'll be ok. Tubs is still one of the best coaches in the country. Drink a few beers or ten and just settle down!
It's not one bad year for Tubs. It's a bunch of mediocre years topped off with a bad year. He might be able to keep his job but he won't take us to the next level.
I guess another way to look at it is, the new deal Tubs signed gave him the flexibility to try something new on offense since he probably feels untouchable this year. Part of the problem with signing such a large buyout is it doesn't give him a huge incentive to care.
What are the odds that Trotter or Caudle could be worse than what we've seen thus far? Kodi has an arm and a lot of raw talent, but for now it's just that - raw.
why do people keep thinking that Tubs is "still one of the best coaches in the country?", he is not, and the past 4 years have proven it. We are not Clemaon, we will not settle for this!
What's worse, 2009 recruits de committing or fans and alum?
Did any of you watch the game on PPV? Trott batted down a ball that you guys would have loved.
That was ugly. Reminded me a lot of the Miss St game last year. Unlikely drive at the end that could have won it, but it died inside the 10 yr line.
jay,
thanks for all of the great info, in a year like this its nice to have somebody who is a straight shooter to keeps us in the loop. I usually just read and keep my mouth shut but I heard something 2 days and I feel like it should be shared.
My sister works Auburn Reality they were contacted by Spurrier's personal assistant who wanted some information on high end properties around Auburn. I know what the response to this will be, but I'm just passing along to good info.
War Eagle
"You get what you tolerate" Bobby Knight
We've tolerated this mess long enough.
campfire?
Jill's a campfire???
We're better off riding it out with
Tubs than Spurrier.
steve spurrier is just the young innovative mind we need injected into our program
Everyone knows someone know knows stuff
Well that was just ugly. Again, there were flashes of "what could have been" but it was all 3 steps forward 6 steps back.
5 yards? We couldn't make 5 yards. That's twice we have lost because of 5 yards.
You know it's bad when the crowd is more worried about keeping the wave going than a 3rd and 2.
Hope for 2 more wins and go get tickets. http://www.papajohnsbowl.com/
I have the same question about our football program as I do our economy - have we hit bottom yet, or do we have further to go?
we need a cruiter, as shown in tonight's debacle. Davis at NC is a good cruiter...who else?
I know we usually are focused on all the bad offense, but the defense was not very good tonight either. The missed several tackles, were out of position and got completely fooled. And no it wasnt just because they were tired.
Tonight's loss was an entire team effort
I'm glad Arkansas gave us 2 points on that safety. Otherwise we would've lost by 5.
Campfire has been lit.
yeah kristina, perhaps something distracted them this week during preparation...
Burns and Todd couldn't play for the Top 5 DII teams. SEC caliber, are you kidding me? They both suck. Period. Tubbs has no idea about how to sign a NC caliber QB. 1 SEC title in 10 years folks, can you say MEDIOCRE!!!!!!!
Did the D lie down, or were they give out from the first 6 weeks?
I just got home from Auburn and I am tired and disgusted.
I think I'll sleep on any thoughts I have and see if they look any better to me in the morning. Right now I have this sinking feeling in my gut that there are 5 games left in the CTT era at Auburn - and they are all going to be painful to witness.
Missouri had their first 3 and out series OF THE YEAR on offense tonight. Auburn had a 3 and out tonight too. So we got that going for us!
Is there still a midnight campfire or did i miss it?
Butch Davis, Butch Davis, Butch Davis ... Somebody PLEASE tell me what - in - the - hell is so great about Butch Davis.
That said, the problem IS coaching. How else can you explain the total, and I do mean total, desinigration of a football team?The complete incompetence is eveident with every single snap of the football.
I like our boys. I want them to do well in life. But I don't want their crowning achievement to be overcoming the idiocy that is our collective coaching staff. They are being done a real disservice. In light of that realization, I will not say another negative thing about any player for the rest of the year. Coaches are there to help the player become what he cannot become on his own ... not the other way around.
That's the way I see it tonight.
Great Campfire JGT....Thanks for going above and beyond....The True Aubies are greatful for your work
This was a predictable loss considering the week leading up to it. Burns got the start from what I hear. That's great but it's like starting the season over again. He needs more experience and the only way to get it is to play. He will be fine in time.
If AU fires CTT it will be a huge mistake in my opinion. With him at the helm, this could turn around next year. With a new coach and staff, AU football will be irrelevant for the next 3-5 years.
We all dispised Cox til we got Todd. We dispised Borges til we got Franklin. We will dispise CTT until we get a coach that cant recruit/scout talent, keep our players out of trouble, and cant field a decent defense. If this has taught us anything, it should have taught us to be careful what we wish for.
Hey JGT...Do you think we can still get Cotton?
I have seen this Kid in action and he already has much more than Kodi came to town with (Like the ability to learn a playbook)
This made me worry...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/recruitinginsider/2008/10/auburn_can_oc_cotton_back_on_t.html
Emmett (http://kopperexplosion.blogspot.com)
Late-night campfire has been lit.
Why would hiring a new coach make AU football irrelevant for the next 3-5 years? How long since Saban has been at Bama? How does that seem to be working out for them?
Am I the only one who doesn't seem willing to sell my Auburn soul to win? So some of you want to pay Saban like money to get rid of the coach who is responsible for last year's winningest senior class ever? Really? Losing SUCKS, but winning without character is unacceptable. It isn't the Auburn way. If you want to win at all costs, I am pretty sure BAMA will take your support. They are going to need it for the shrine I expect them to build to Saban if he gets the SEC title.
on the morning of my saddest day as an aubutn fan here are my thoughts....nope still cant do it. i'm embarassed and ashamed. another week of avoiding listening to the talk shows (and I Like D and B) and just having to come here for my comfort. So come on Jay give me some good news if you find any man..al that said WAT EAGLE today, tomorrow, and forever..now back to my hole
hell i cant even type "war eagle" right..
Anon...we aint Alabama. We dont recruit off of name recognition and I doubt we will pay a high profile coach $4 million per year and give him complete control over the program. Anything less is going to take a few years to rebuild this program if we change coachs/staff.
Caleb Rotten...AMEN!!
Wartiger...I am with you on that, but we will get through this...ever to conquer never to yield baby!! WDE
Am feeling an enormous amount of pain and disappointment for the players, especially the seniors, who've worked exceptionally hard, done whatever has been asked of them, and then have to experience a season like this. They deserved much, much better.
I put 100% of that loss on the coaching staff. I think we all saw on the field last night why Jetgate happened. Petrino runs circles around Tuberville. I can't stand to watch this coaching staff take the Auburn program down.
If you don't think they are, then here are the facts:
SEC record:
2004 8-0
2005 7-1
2006 6-2
2007 5-3
2008 3-5? or 2-6?
It ain't getting better folks.
jim.
good job. I had been looking at overall record and not seeing that. he needs to turn it around or go.
wonder if pat dye will bring the hatchet with him to bury in tubby's back tomorrow
Yes, there is an easily definable down trend in our performance over the past 5 years.
Wake up Jay!
Tuberville: one of the best mediocre coaches in America.
Great post from Jim regarding the downward trend in Auburn's SEC record over the past 5 seasons.
After sleeping on the events of last night and reflecting back on this season, I think it's time Auburn made a change.
10 years is a long time with the same guy and IMO the head coach and the staff just look like they are going through the motions. I know there are folks that say "Who can we get that's any better?". I don't know the answer to that. What I do know is that Auburn needs a change, because things look and feel stagnant to me. I don't think that change can come from the inside of the program.
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James in the 'ham:
Great post buddy. I have been a Tubbs fan and supporter since he got here. He doesn't compromise discipline for victories, he keeps us out of trouble with the NCAA, can develop talent that no one else sees and graduates players. Having said that, he started to lose me with all the off-season Arkansas coaching job/duck hunting trip stuff. Not only was he holding those hostage that were responsible for the chicken-crap jetgate incident, he was holding US hostage. You know, those of us who paid our dues in the classroom and at the registrar's office, continue to give after we graduate; pay the ridiculous prices of gas and tickets (Sat. was my son's first game)and for what? I have never seen more people leave a closely fought SEC game in the third quarter even though Auburn still had THE LEAD. You knew that Arkansas was going to win because you knew our coaches were to incompetent or too indifferent to give those kids a chance. There was not a lack of effort from our players, there was a lack of effort and leadership from our coaches. Why put in Todd after Burns had engineered a touchdown drive? After six games it should be obvious that Todd is not capable of winning us games REGARDLESS of Kodi's shortcomings. Why were Tristan Davis and Mario Fannin healthy enough to return kicks but not to be in the backfield at the same time?
If I have to hear they weren't going to let us run again I will scream. We weren't going to let them run either, but a 5'7" running back nearly outgained our entire offense ON HIS OWN. In the 80's teams put 11 in the box but Dye handed off the rock anyway. Auburn has always ran the ball and didn't care how many you had in the box.
While travelling back home to Mobile today, I pondered the question of my take on Tubb's and Auburn's future. I still wonder if Auburn has accomplished enough in the college football world to expect more success than Tubberville has brought. We only have one NC that we have claimed and even it was on probation. I realize that there are several more that we were jobbed out of, but the question still persists and maybe some of you here can help me rectify that in my own mind. I do know this though: the Auburn people and more importantly those players have accomplished enough to deserve better.
Kris in Mobile,
"..the Auburn people and more importantly those players have accomplished enough to deserve better."
Amen, brother.
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