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Hey, Where'd everybody go?
Campfireus interuptus, nonetheless I am in the afterglow
there may be a cream for that. :)
Did anyone catch Troy's implosion against The Who? Worst display of football I've seen in a long time.
what who got banhammered?
Bisc- some dweeb who had nothing good to say. Jay G. FYI- Mon, FSJ, JetGAte and myself stayed until just before midnight in the fire, so your 2.5 hour time is a bit short. It was a great time....
what do we think the line will be against Bama. I think it will be 17.
I'd guess Alabama -10
a few more international hits for jgt, but from a different continent today
I stayed up for the implosion.
It was sad.
WAKE UP CALL QUESTION
What would our record be if the CTF experiment would never have taken place and Kodi Burns would have been QB from the start of the season with Al Borges or some other traditional running coordinator?
i watched the lsu game on "tigervision". did anyone hear the sideline reporter say "we need to give a big shake off" to the defense? and what does that mean? i'm assuming he meant "shout out".
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I personally enjoyed the warmth of the fire, shared some thoughts, got to know Bear, FSJ and Monica better.
Beat tossing and turning for an hour.
I'll take the H.A.B.O.T.N. for $500 please, Alex.
Phred, whatever happened the the H.A.B.O.T.N. theme song based on the old Dr. Pepper them song??
We were supposed to have that recorded.
Let me get my pointless prediction out there two weeks in advance. Auburn will nearly upset Alabama in two weeks. But Ben Tate will be called upon to catch a corner route in the back of the endzone with 2 seconds left and his slow twitch attempt to make the play falls short. Otherwise, Fannin will have averaged 11 yards per TOUCH with a lofty 10 TOUCHES.
Tuberville is finished. Is he not? See that post game interview? Ho hum wh cares attitude was gracious.
What was sad to see after the game was no emotion from the coach once again. He can obviously coach, when he wants too. Will he put a game plan together for the Tide? lets hope so, becasue if he does it will be a good game.
Any word on why Fannin was out in the 4th
Fannin didn't play because he obviously can't run the fade route.
Dan, you can't be serious. Can you?
I hope not.
I'm new here. What's the campfire, and what do you do to join it?
Crudup ... I'll need some help from the Hottie Nation. I don't have any recording equipment these days. I could get that handled with "a little help from my friends."
Speaking of friends, I'm sorry that you don't have any anonymous. Sucks to be you.
Did yall see the picture of how close tate was to catching the pass?
Would have been good payback for 2002.
I have a snapshot in my mind. It was right in front of me. It hit his hands, but would he have been in bounds?
I don't know who else Kodi could have thrown it to, but right before the snap, Tate leaned into Kodi and they talked. I'm thinking he said, "throw me the ball."
ScottATL, I wish it had been somebody with a little more athletic ability back there. Tate has good hands when you throw it to him. Some bending of the knees is needed on those most of the time.
Crudup, that comment was nothing but sarcasm. I was really just complaining about what seemed like 8+ consecutive fade routes thrown on the last two drives when obviously neither Kodi nor the receivers could work together to complete one. Fannin should have lined up in the slot if he can't pick up the block at RB. And on 3rd and one lets run a play that's designed to get a first and possibly a TD, then throw or run for the endzone.
Y'all - Fannin can block just fine. This not blocking thing, to use a crudupism, was just CTF's "catfish sounds good" way of saying "I don't want to play him."
So, now that CTF said that, we all think he can't block. Bunch of HS. HS stands for what comes out of the rear end of a horse.
Nevertheless, I was proud of the guys yesterday. Is there any truth that Fannin's ankle was hurt, and thats why he didnt play toward the end?
Agreed. Play calling left much to be desired. Sadly, it's better than Franklin was doing.
crudup,
What would our record be sans CTF experiment, and Kodi starting all season?
Here is a link to a picture of the last pass
http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/sports/uga/photos/4.html
How bad was the wind at the end of the game? I know it was pretty bad earlier.
If it was still that bad, then any pass where you put that much air under it like Kodi does on those fades is a bad choice.
I know Fannin wasn't in because Tate is a better pass blocker, but on that last play, obviously Tate wasn't being used as a blocker, so get your playmaker out there.
If the Franklin thing never happened we'd be at worst 9-2, probably 10-1. I think we still probably lose that WVU game.
That would mean we'd be 7-0 in the SEC playing Alabama for the West.
rk,
Thats what I was thinking, its a shame to think of it that way. I guess you can give CTT for letting CTF go when he did. A pitiful consolation though.
The schedule really set up nice this year for us to make a good run of it...however one bad hire sent a lot of things downhill.
Nobody stepped up and rallied the troops when things didn't look good. However even without an offensive leader, as long as we executed properly under Borges we would have a really good record this year.
Tub gets credit for letting Franklin go when he did, but he also takes the blame for it happening in the first place.
I don't know if he'll get a chance to make another potential mistake like that.
9-2 or 10-1? Really?
I'd say 8-3, scott. 9-2 best. The losses to Vandy, Arkansas, and Ole Miss would not have happened. LSU is a toss up. But continuing our physical ways I don't see us losing that one.
Fannin is that player. The next coach whether it's a HC or OC will not pass Mario by.
Upperclassmen in '09:
Fannin
Tate (have to)
Billings
Burns
Caudle (have to- he's talented)
Slaughter
Zachary
Kenney
Pugh
Ziemba (have to)
Hot
Coleman (hopefully)
Gray (have to)
Stevens
Bynes
Freeman
Powers*
McFadden*
Savage*
Marks is outie- no question
What I'm getting at is the right coach and a little chemistry and '09 has tons of potential.
I left Ricks out. Quality player.
The question for next year (and I think CTT will be back) is who will be running the offense. If they make a good hire, could be a successful season.
A sign of the AU apocalypse: we still have a game left and we are talking about next year. OUCH!
Man, that hurts my feelings. I only we can talk about the number 7 a lot between now and then.
Could be that championship season that was predicted this year. The QB position will be much better. The O-line should be 30 lbs heavier each mean like they were prior to "Spread". I reallly like Rod Smith. But erasing him as the go to guy and replacing him with bigger guys that should be able to find the endzone more often could be nice.
pp,
not getting ahead of ourselves, but a legitimate question about next year........now about the big game, like I said above, if CTT game plans like we know he can, we have a great shot.
I really hate my typos.
Phred, last night my wife comes walking in at 7pm. An all dayer with the shopping ranks. I said, "Auburn almost won today".
I haven't said that since Auburn/UT 1998.
Something I could hear Tubs saying this week ...
"Well, we didn't want to put Mario in the game during the fourth because we really didn't want to have any big plays and score too quick. We wanted a long, grinding drive. We just felt like with Fannin in there, we might score on a 50 yard run, and that would leave too much time on the clock. Hey, pass the catfish will you?"
Crudup,
Auburn 98? Lets not go down that road. I was one of the few in the student section that year:)
Watching the Fannin runs again. Just hard to believe Gran and Crew have this guy on the bench. He's prototypical Auburn tailback to the Nth. The vision and those cutbacks in the open field are top notch. And he can run you over.
I still don't get it and I won't buy it until a new coach of some sort is here.
scott, same here. Demontray Carter played pretty damn good. We had no QB.
yeah, gave the national champs all they wanted. Had the worst depth of any Auburn team in history...CTT found that out the hard way when he came in.
I just don't want Fannin to be another Brandon Jacobs. One of those guys we never play, for whatever boneheaded reason, and then goes on to have a good NFL career. I can see it happening.
Sometimes, it's like we TRY to be stupid.
Jay Tate,
How was team morale after the game?
Fannin's NFL career is there if he stays healthy whether or not the coaches utilize him. There's too many things he can do at 225 lbs.
We'd be 10-1 if Al Borges was still OC? Wow. I'll have some of what yall are drinking.
That's not plural, Keith.
I'm not in the 10-1 club either. Although, I do think we would be doing better than we are. Nothing is impossible though ... like finishing 5-7. Who would have thought that? Keith?
Have a question for the hottie's. Since we have one game left how do you see the rest of the season going? Also what changes do you want, or see happening? And how do you think those changes will benefit AU? I guess those are multiple questions.
My response is this, although I think tubbs has done great job at auburn I think it is time for a change. The ten year mark is tough to overcome. Things tend to get stale. If this was his 7th year I would want him to stay. Changing oc's again is only going to buy time for the next year or two. Every competitor will use "he will only be there 1 more year against us" and we do not need that. Even if he comes back next year and goes undefeated how many more years does he have in the tank? I f he does stay I see a beamer or fulmer situation. Up one down two. So I see a close lose to bama and changes to come.
Nah, I had us going 9-3. Expected a rough start because of the offensive changes but that we would get better as the year went on, winning the UGA and UAT games. Uhh..whoops.
I really think we beat bama and Tubs steps down.
Crudup, are you saying I can't have some of what YOU are drinking? Spread the wealth, man.
Phred is off to Target to begin his home decorating project.
Geesh ... I feel like a girl even talking about it. No offense to girls. This is just not my thing. I'm so lost.
Notice to local Hottie Hotties: volunteer assistance is welcome.
P.S. Hottie Hotties is what I think our female members should be called.
See ya boys. Keep it real Sir William.
KJ- I'll take the Beamer situation all day long. They win conference championships. It is too hard to keep a team completely dominant from one year to the next. Look at Florida, up one / down one / up one. That is what you can expect with good coaching and good recruiting. No team is ever up for several years consistantly. The closest team to that is Ohio State and USC but look at the competition they play. That says it all.
10-1 or 9-2 with Borges. Lose to Wva for sure and maybe maybe not to LSU.
Troy's implosion against LSU didn't prove that the CTF spread can't hold leads against talent, but it did offer additional evidence to support that contention.
Willie J: what kind of buzz have you heard about recruiting visits from yesterday?
eddie You make a valid point, my comparison with beamer is that he has been there a long time and you are right they are always in contention to win their conference, so maybe bad example. so I would take that too, the point I was trying to make is we never seem to be in contention if we win or lose the LSU game if we win and feel good we lose to ARk, or ole miss so it all comes back to coaching.
I really think we beat bama and Tubs steps down.
Oh God, please hear me - let's this happen.
I went back and read all the Mario love and made me think back to us asking where he was during the early part of this season.
Oh and someone explaining that he was a great "practice player" or "workout warrior" but a no-show on game day.
Ummm, ok.
"We'd be 10-1 if Al Borges was still OC? Wow. I'll have some of what yall are drinking."
If we run the offense we ran last year, I see no reason to think we wouldn't have beaten Vandy, Ark, Ole Miss & probably LSU & Georgia.
I hear and assume Raymond Cotton enjoyed his visit
As far as recruits, by the headlines on some other AU sites, McCaleb (sp) Lutzenkirchen and Cotton all enjoyed themselves and recomfirmed their pledges.
For the "Tuberville deserves to try and turn this thing around because he is having one bad year" crowd.
SEC record in the last 20 games:
10-10 (3 wins over teams that ended with a winning season)
That is going back to the Arkansas game in 2006. It's more than just this year folks. We have been average at best and I don't see any reason we will do any better next year with Tuberville.
regarding speculation about running last year's offense this year, if dreams and wishes, were pork chops and fishes, you'd still need armed guards to pry the coaching staff away from the bbq to come up with a gameplan.
I posted this a couple of days ago but could not go back through all the post to find the answer:
The info used for getting rid of Tubbs is that he has had 4 or more losses in 7 of the 10 seasons he has been at AU. How does this compare with other coaches that were at their school for 7-10 years?
BTW- I think Tubbs should stay, but would take C Peterson form Boise State if he is gone.
Jay- I saw where Tulsa went down hard. Hard to overcome 5 turnovers. They still racked up 541yards though.
If Tubbs stays I vote Malzahn as OC. I bet he has Fanninn in at the end of the game. He would probably have gone for the first down on the next to last drive also.
Did anyone notice that when KB scrammbled hot one receiver broke downfield from his route? As KB scrambled to his right, they all drifted to the right until three of them were standing next to the out of bounds marker. They just stopped. Our WR coach is the worst in the universe.
To hire the Boise coach would be a catastrophy. NO TIES to the south would kill recruiting.
I hope the people in charge put it plain to Tuberville - Hire an OC and let him bring in ANYONE and EVERYONE he wants or SEE YA.
I think recruiting is the key to this thing not X's and O's. A coach who can get kids excited about coming to AU and rally the APETHETIC fan base needs to be hired.
Either a young up'n comer or a NAME guys.
And call freakin RODNEY GARNER and ask him to "come home".
The Vikings player should have been kicked out of the game for that play -- cheap shot ala Bammer in 2006 when AU was in the VICTORY formation.
Stat of the YEAR -- Auburn is 119th out of 119 teams, dead fuhhhh-reakin last in Red Zone efficiency.
How's that spread thing goin coach?
"How's that spread thing goin coach?"
Last I saw, we junked the spread prior to the Arky game.
Yesterday was more like last year.
I understand but there's no doubt that the preperation for this season was different than previous years and its shown in the inability to run the football.
I know what you mean by the team not running the loser's version of the spread but I have heard CTT state that he was sticking with it.
jus sayin
We made some stupid offensive calls yesterday. What was that fade about on the 4 and a couple with 4 minutes to go? That was Les Miles-stupid right there.
I'm going to have to be honest Mikey but I didn't see much of the game -- I have my DVR set to get the replay -- so I dunno.
My confidence in this staff isn't very high.
Looks like Ray Cotton and his dad had a great visit yesterday and CTT told them he isn't going anywhere.
I would expect him to say that. How many people thought when CTT was hired at auburn it was a good hire? I was curious since we may be in the market again.
10 years ago I was 26 and I thought CTT was a good hire.
Will he be willing to make wholesale cahnges on his staff?
I was the same age and agree. I just do not think that anything will change if he remains, and I have doubts that he has the wan't to to turn it around. I think this can be a blip on the screen if he wants it to.
Chris,
If a guy can recruit, it doesn't matter where he is from. Nick Saban and Urban Meyer had no ties to the south when they were hired but they seem to have figured it out. I don't know much about Peterson other than the fact that he is a winner and can coach his kids up. Good enough for me.
Chris,
CTT was a good hire. Whatever happens, CTT or the new guy needs to run the football like we have since 1981 (a couple of bowden years non-withstanding). That is how you win at Auburn. Chris Peterson? Really? Running the football and timely passing with a good defense beats the spread any day of the week.
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Boise St. is 12th in the NCAA in total defense and 15th in total offense. They average 160 yd/game rushing and they have averaged more rushing yards per game than Auburn every single year from 2004-2008.
What more do you want?
Hey peops!
Tuberville's usual Sunday soiree begins at 3 p.m. I'll be reporting that live. Please join me for another session of Truth or Consequences.
Saban hired some great recruiters at LSU and OUT WORKED EVERYONE.
Now Meyer is a bit different because UF kind of recruits itself. There's probably no other University in the nation like UF - imho.
I just don't want AU to limit themselves to folks with HC experienmce if a young OC or DC is available ala Ritch and Stoops.
I thionk Muschamp has the HS connections here and would work as hard as anyone.
Brent Venables at Okla is another.
APATHY can kill a program and CTT has seemed to have lost his edge - again, opinion. Will he be willing to cut 3 or 4 coaches loose if mandated?
Jim,
I'm sure that the Boise guy has great numbers out there but so did the guy before him that's sucking it up at Colorado.
Its not a slam dunk that sucess at Boise trsanslates to sucess anywhere else.
I'd just rather have the guy who's been in the BIG TIME arena and recruited against the BIG TIME programs in states such as Ga, MS, AL, FL and La.
Pin him down on the Fannin playing time issue at the end of the game. Very strange.
What were Auburn's stats w/out the 2 runs by Marrio and the last drive of the game. Late in the first quarter I looked up @ the JUMBO-TRON and Auburn had 16 total yds. and 2 first downs and our OFF. COORD. thinks we are making progress. Jay if you have anything and I mean anything you can do kick there ass out of the Pressbox in 2 weeks! Trent
What were Auburn's stats w/out the 2 runs by Marrio and the last drive of the game. Late in the first quarter I looked up @ the JUMBO-TRON and Auburn had 16 total yds. and 2 first downs and our OFF. COORD. thinks we are making progress. Jay if you have anything and I mean anything you can do kick there ass out of the Pressbox in 2 weeks! Trent
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