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11.17.2008

Iron Bowl time announced

Mark your day planners: 2:30 p.m. on CBS. That's Nov. 29.

229 Comments:

War Eagle Girl said...: that's fine with me....I 'll be on the beach at Charleston; 3:44 PM
Jet said...: Over/under on Verne's Saban-Bear comparisons?; 3:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Man, these guys will drag this game out forever. CBS will run every commercial they can. Ijust hope they do not run the one where the AU guy is in the airplane on the lake writing in a diary. That is REAALLY old now.; 3:48 PM
Anonymous said...: Jet-Verne has a man crush on Saban.; 3:49 PM
Jet said...: WTC, it's a family reunion ... not quite a HABOTN campfire, but they're trying.; 3:49 PM
Jet said...: WTC ... I hadn't noticed ... until I saw the I (heart) Saban pin.; 3:50 PM
Anonymous said...: Jet-Is that Lowder's plane as your avatar?; 3:51 PM
Jet said...: Bwah ha ha ha ha.; 3:51 PM
Anonymous said...: Has anyone noticed the video they run before the players come out has very few highlights from this season? Quite telling. They do a great job with it and the video for the band, but I find it sad our team has not provided many clips this year.; 3:53 PM
Anonymous said...: Prediction: If Tubs is fired before game day, Danielson will say, "I can't believe they fired Coach Tuberville." If Tubs has not been fired by game day, Danielson will say, "I can't believe they would fire Coach Tuberville." Great analysis.; 3:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Jet-I read your bio. I am sure you saw Bravo running The Godfather and GF II back to back all weekend. It was marathon showing.; 3:55 PM
Mark said...: Verne: 25
Number of Commercials: eleventy-billion.
Over/under on the game:20
Line: 15
Prediction: Bama 6 AU 5; 3:56 PM
Anonymous said...: I just don't care to listen that crew from CBS. I wouldn't give yo ua 20lb bag of Ole Diz charcoal for both of them. I guess Stan and they other guy will get the vote in two weeks.; 3:57 PM
Anonymous said...: prediction on Monday is Bama by 9. Sadly I feel if Arenas runs one back, the gates will fly open.; 3:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Which dance will Verne and Gary perform; Foxtrot, Charleston, Tango, The Bump, Freakin'?; 3:58 PM
Anonymous said...: A turkey hangover and Verne and the 5 hour CBS crew.

That's nice.; 3:59 PM
michael said...: Imagine Saban's postgame face if we win.... his postgame comments... man, that would be amazing. I better soak up these imaginations as much as possible until the actual game comes.; 4:00 PM
Anonymous said...: He'll be beside himself for sure.; 4:03 PM
dan dan the AU fan said...: That will be an epic meltdown.; 4:04 PM
Anonymous said...: Hey, it's just a process...; 4:04 PM
Quitstina said...: wtc, the pregame video you see now is last years pregame video. The one from this year had lame music so they went to the old one for the lsu game. I'm sure they could have edited in some new footage though so you're right.; 4:10 PM
Unknown said...: I was hoping the Iron Bowl would be at midnight on ESPNU, but I guess that is too much to ask.; 4:17 PM
Jet said...: WTC, I left the gun and took the canoli.

The next two weeks, I'm keeping my enemies closer.; 4:32 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: FYI ... I'm covering Temple @ AU women's basketball tonight.

I'll just give you a very basic overview of that.

Auburn football coaches and players will be available on Tuesday morning.; 4:57 PM
E-Bro said...: CBS? That's great. Now everyone can see when we shock the world.

We might not have much more than a fool's hope but if we stop the run and punt the ball out of bounds everytime, you never know.

Defensively, Bama's OL scares me more than their actual skill players do and if we can find a way to somehow neutralize that, that should make it competitive. I definitely don't expect much from our our offense against their D, but we've won two of these last six iron bowls scoring seventeen points.

Granted, that would be an offensive explosion for us, but crazier things have happened.; 4:58 PM
JD said...: Atleast we won't have to see those daggum twins in the houndstooth hats now; 5:21 PM
Unknown said...: Jay, if you would like I can just tell you what Tuberville will say and save you a trip tomorrow.

We have had our best practice all season and the players seem very excited about what we are doing.

A couple of players are definitely out for the Iron Bowl, unless they play.

We've just got to keep improving.

We need to score more in the red zone.; 5:21 PM
Anonymous said...: Mark I was thinking Vegas would have it at around that number also...at least a couple td dogs. I could see it opening at around Auburn +13 but would not be shocked to see it closer to +16.; 5:25 PM
Monica said...: mmmmm canoli...; 5:45 PM
Denny Crum said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 5:51 PM
Monica said...: Denny - addressed on a previous thread. Bogus report, but yes, we are moving to the healthy person mecca of Alabama next summer; 5:54 PM
Denny Crum said...: Monica

You all need to leave without the delay the apparent death trap that is Huntington West By God Virginia. Apparently only the slums of Calcutta are less healthy.; 5:56 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Very very good news IMO - not at night and not the Bloody Mary game.; 6:03 PM
scott,will not,from tucson said...: buiscit, twins are good for you.; 6:05 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: We've just got to keep improving.

We need to score more in the red zone.

No. Its:

"We've gotta get better."

or

"We're getting better."

I'm thinking Vegas will set this one up at or around 13. Total about 42.

I'm not an expert ((unless being a bookie means anything.)); 6:07 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Dude, have you noticed the B*****es in the hats are FUuuuhhh-gly.

I mean, they are Bammers and we know they're not students so I guess "do-able" is a term I'd used 10 years ago but they're NOT THE FSU CHICKS by any means.

Maxum isn't coming to a trailer park in Pinson or Tarrant any time soon.; 6:09 PM
Monica said...: wow; 6:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Maybe we can find a recruit like Luca Bratzy.; 6:14 PM
Denny Crum said...: Luca is swimming with the fishes. How about Mo Green, he was making his bones when you were Expletive Deleted Cheerleaders.; 6:16 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Pfffffft.....

I've got chunks of tougher guys than him in my stool. -- Frank Sanatra played by Phil Hartman; 6:18 PM
Anonymous said...: He may be swimming with the fishes, but he was big dude.; 6:18 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Godfather and Godfather II has been running all weekend.

What's up?

Did someone in these pics die or what?

Maybe the closest any sequel ever came to out doing the original.

The scenes with Brando after the meeting are priceless. And the moment when Micheal knows Fredo was the traitor is classic cinema.; 6:21 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: HAVE -- Have been playing.; 6:22 PM
AUBigCat said...: Let me beat the war drum a bit...

I think that if our offense could move the ball against UGA it can do the same against UA. I think we have a good chance of winning if our DL can get more pressure than they did against UGA.

I recall a post yesterday commenting that CTT was a historically 4 loss coach or something to that effect. I think most would agree that Saban is a pretty good coach, but look at his season records:

Toledo 9-2

MSU 6-5
MSU 6-6
MSU 7-5
MSU 6-6
MSU 9-2

LSU 8-4
LSU 10-3
LSU 8-5
LSU 13-1
LSU 9-3

UA 7-6
UA 11-0

CTT should be our coach next year.; 6:24 PM
Anonymous said...: I want AU to win as much as the next guy. Heck, I'll take a 3-2 win. It's just sometimes you have face facts that things aren't going your way. You don't lay down or quit, but you know going in it is a struggle and you fight and hope to get a break. It just seems Au has not gotten the breaks this year. I think Michael posted earlier about the cloe games and some go your way and some don't. This year they just haven't.; 6:28 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: I understand and have said the same about Saban and his overall record but I'll say this.....If Tommy Tuberville is willing to let the next OC bring in whomever he wants to coach the positions then, yes, let him stay.

If not, he needs to find somewhere else to be.

He can't coach offense and he should try. Loyalty means a great deal in any part of life but the writing's on the wall.; 6:29 PM
Anonymous said...: I don't really care what Nicky's ending records are, what I care about is Auburn's record. Which has been pretty good under CTT, but "We've got to get better!" This season has been horrible compared to where my expectations started this season. I thought we would be competitive.; 6:29 PM
Anonymous said...: As you know, 90% of winning is 80% mental. We seem to be more challenged mentally than in most years at the coaching level.; 6:30 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Great - close games - fine......but I'd like to have a time where there AREN'T ANY CLOSE games when AU has a better team.

SEE FLORIDA V. SO CAR!; 6:32 PM
Anonymous said...: Chris........LOL.......they are "do-able"......if you get a 2 on 1 fast break.

Krewe..yup... AU+13 to +16 is about right.

I'm considering upgrading my PC sound system so I can link to the AU radio b/c, route it through the stereo and avoid the Verne/Danielson droll observations. Of course, then the TV time delay becomes an issue.; 6:33 PM
Anonymous said...: Why not start by looking at the lack of leadership in recruiting. No matter what you say, it is tough to coach up everyone that is not a highly ranked recruit. Before you get your shorts in a wad, think about this:

UAT has about 11 freshman they are playing and they are not making a lot of freshman mistakes. Jones, Hightower, Ingram have contributed a lot this year. If AU doesn't make the effort to go after these guys, then we are cutting our potential recruit list down and that is never good. Our state has somke very good recruits and it is embarassing to see our team get spanked or even shut out on the top 10 to 15 recruits.; 6:35 PM
Jet said...: You are dead to me, Fredo; 6:35 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Guys, its not just the season but the talent IMO --- What bothers me about the future is to look out and see a guy like S. Pybus who wasn't good enough to offer before signing day and he's playing on the biggest play of the game against LSU.

Talent wins games....PERIOD and this staff has to get off their a$$ and do the job.

And that goes for the head man and his little "hunting" trips while a contract sits in the AD's office.; 6:36 PM
barkley for governor said...: Aubigcat, you neglected to mention how many more championships Nick Saban has. That matters a little.

If Tuberville stays, I'm obviously going to be supportive. Whoever is making that decision probably knows more about the program than I do. All I was saying yesterday is that he is the definition of mediocrity. I still believe that.

If you were a high school recruit right now, who would you rather play for, Tommy Tuberville or Nick Saban?; 6:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Chris-You are spot on. AU can't put the hob nail boot on anyone of stature. I have wondered why AU doesn't just stomp the opponent when they are down and put them out of their misery. As you said see Fl Vs SC, how about Fl vs LSU and GA vs LSU. When you have them down, pound'em and make them want to throw in the towel.

Think about FL throwing for a TD, with Tebow in the game, up by 40+, late in the game. Would our current coach do that?

Win, win big or go home.; 6:39 PM
Jet said...: "Guys, its not just the season but the talent IMO --- What bothers me about the future is to look out and see a guy like S. Pybus who wasn't good enough to offer before signing day and he's playing on the biggest play of the game against LSU." -- Chris in Inverness.

Chris ...

I'm with you, so that's why I believe we have to be strong for the family and make the change. Understand that as much as we love Tommy, he's not very likely to get it done because he's not recruiting of a position of strength anymore. I want him to, but I just don't see it. It's going to take a new product to sell.; 6:41 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Well, as far as the state of AL, Bammer's gonna win most of those, not all but most.

We have to hold our spot in Mobile and a call to R. Garner wouldn't hurt, (long shot I know).

But AU's teams has always been made by outworking teams in La, Ga, Ms and FL by watching all the film and getting the 3-4 star guys who should be higher.

R. Torbor, T. Robinson, R. Brown, C. Rogers....etc.

That's where AU builds champions from, those states.; 6:43 PM
Unknown said...: barkley for govenor, mediocrity means average. How many seasons have we won half our games? Also, mediocrity doesn't mean being one of the winningest coaches in school history.; 6:45 PM
Anonymous said...: bark makes a great point. Look at how they have chanegd their image in two years. They went from a team that shot themselves in the foot to knocking on the door of the BCS game. They took some chances and they worked out.

Saban is aggressive and knows how to market the team to draw recruits (example playing in ATL this year and next) He is coaching and marketing. I would be pleased to have a person in our group do either of these. Don't get me started on the worthless job Jacobs does for marketing our team.

You know he did get Citadel, Samford and Furman. That will help strength of schedule.; 6:45 PM
Jet said...: Chris ... I don't disagree that UAT will get more than its share in state ... but we're getting slaughtered.

And the ante's been raised.; 6:47 PM
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Anonymous said...: Why acept 3-4 stars? You say AU has built championships on 3-4 stars from other states, but what has that got us the past 10 years. Tubbs got outworked and there is no excuse for it. He decided to accept the 3-4 stars and coach'em up. Well you are not going to ATL consistently that way.

I like Tubbs and think he can coach when the fire is there, but look at his record and tell are the 3 seasons with less than 4 losses the norm or the 7 seasons with 4 or more the norm?; 6:49 PM
Anonymous said...: Look at barkley's comment and ask yourself if you were playing HS ball and had no allegiance, where would you want to go today? If AU can produce 10 wins every year, year in and year out, they will be in the sweet spot for recruiting, but not having 3-4 losses year in and year out.; 6:51 PM
Anonymous said...: I spoke with a friend at AU and he says Trott has surgery set for Wednesday in B'ham. Another injury bug. Not that they will miss himthat much, but it just makes you wonder why so many injuries are happening this year.; 6:54 PM
barkley for governor said...: steve from columbia, I don't choose to judge his mediocrity based upon whether he was 5-7 or 8-4. If we play more weak teams than strong ones and we go 6-6, is it still an average season? Not in my opinion. It's below average.

What I'm talking about are those South Florida games....The Arkansas games, the Mississippi State games, the Vanderbilt games. You know, those games we are supposed to win but somehow we find a way to lose. It happens almost every year, I'm not a fan of it.; 6:54 PM
Anonymous said...: aubigcat in 5 yrs at LSU, Saban led them to 2 SEC Champ and 1 NC. There is a big difference.; 7:00 PM
Anonymous said...: Barkley you are so correct!!!; 7:02 PM
barkley for governor said...: I wonder what my mom would have said if I would have made all 50's on my tests in high school, and then told her that was average because it was half of 100.; 7:04 PM
Jet said...: It's tough to let him go ... because he's likeable ... because of the wins over UAT ... but we should be more ... and it's time.; 7:04 PM
Anonymous said...: I am not a fan of losing to Ark, Ms St. or south Fl either. If we would schedule bigger teams and went 9-3, I can take that some of the time. But our schedule is deficient in quality teams. And having Jacobs make it out like no one will play us, insults all of us.; 7:06 PM
AUfan said...: Hate that for T Trott on a personal level, but McKenzie is by far the better game player. It is amazing to hear the practice tales on Trott dropping no balls, and Gabe dropping them left and right. Then in the games it's like they switched jerseys.; 7:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Guys/Gals:

I'm by no means an Auburn fan, but I look at it like this...How many times is Tuberville going to be able to save his job by throwing some assistants under the bus?

At some point, his hiring decisions are no longer a way out of a problem situation....they are the problem situation.; 7:07 PM
Anonymous said...: Did anybody hear Pat Dye on Finebaum tonight?

Short recap....

Kinda hacked him off that it came out that he voted Alabama #3 on his ballot.

Said he could physically whip Saban, but that he thought he was "purty" (WTF?) and a damn good coach.

Was proud of Auburn, and the fans for staying the whole game Saturday.; 7:09 PM
Anonymous said...: I just feel that the HC needs to be more active and involved with the team. Who thinks Saban would know if Blackmon was working or not going to come back next year if he were our coach? Same goes for Cahz Ramsey?

I just feel like if Tubbs was all about AU football, he would have a better handle on things.; 7:09 PM
Jet said...: It's not like we've gotten it done against the BCS teams

Losses -- USC (2), Ga. Tech (2), So. Fla., Syracuse, WVU

Wins -- K-STate, Wash. STate, Syracuse; 7:10 PM
Anonymous said...: Is Dye an embarassment to AU when he is on that show now?

I thought it was odd they ran the We Believe video with Dye in it twice Sat and only once with Tubbs in it.; 7:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Chris so we are going to accept that bammer is going to get the best of the crop? So we might as well be glad with Mr Mediocrity (CTT) and be happy.

I think that is a cop out.; 7:12 PM
Anonymous said...: Look at the record of the teams we beat this year:

ULM 3-8
SO Miss 5-6
Tenn 3-7
Ms St 3-7
UTM 8-3

Not a ringing endorsement on strength of schedule is it.; 7:19 PM
Anonymous said...: I like Pybus' enthusiasm, but he was only offered by Duke on signing day. Maybe he works out maybe not. What about Dax the long snapper? Look at the recruits we beat out Troy,UAB,UCF for. Maybe they work out, I don't know. I just feel we should go after bigger fish. If we don't get who we want, some of these guys will still be there and would drop Troy, UAB if AU offered late.; 7:23 PM
barkley for governor said...: Chris, most people say Alabama is going to get better recruits than Auburn because they're Alabama.

If Nick Saban was at Auburn and Tommy Tuberville was at Alabama, do you think Alabama would still get the better recruits? I know that sounds like a rhetorical question, but it really isn't. I'd just like to see what you guys thought.; 7:25 PM
AUfan said...: I'm with fsj, how many passes does CTT get? I've always said the best thing to happen to him was the plane trip to hire Petrino. That seemed to galvanize AU fans supporting him against TPTB. Now, it seems like many fans support him no matter what watching the teams' performance says is happening. I think it is very telling that so many fans seem relieved we didn't get embarassed against UGA. Is that how far the bar has been lowered?; 7:26 PM
Monica said...: Tubs ain't goin' nowhere. Get over it.; 7:29 PM
Anonymous said...: barkley- I think they would get their fair share because they are who they are, but I think Saban @ AU would not be satisfied with letting them do that and he would work harder than most to get all he could. If he didn't get them, the UAT coach would know he had to work to get them. IMO; 7:29 PM
Anonymous said...: I don't think he is going anywhere either. I think the entire O staff is gone though. I see a Shula moment here and Tubbs has to make a move or be moved.; 7:30 PM
AUfan said...: Is that 100% sure, Monica? It does seem like the feeling has changed somewhat with the fans about him leaving(thinking he won't). Do TPTB feel the same you think?; 7:34 PM
Anonymous said...: I'll speak for me and say it is 100%. No way he is out this year.; 7:37 PM
Anonymous said...: I guess I just don't see how keeping him fixes anything.......UNLESS Auburn doesn't think that there is a homerun candidate out there that they can get this year.; 7:37 PM
Monica said...: Unlike everyone else here I have zero inside information, zero contacts and zero fact. I have only my personal opinion based on what I read, see and know about human behavior. All of that and $1 will get you a Big Mac in the fattest city in the country.; 7:38 PM
Anonymous said...: so what you are saying is that you don't know what the heck you are talking about??? :-); 7:39 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: I don't understand how anyone can believe that Tubs is gone or here one way or the other. I still say judgement day is looming.; 7:40 PM
barkley for governor said...: I got Jay Jacobs on speed dial.; 7:42 PM
Monica said...: I know a thing or two about you, Faker.; 7:44 PM
AUfan said...: Neither do I. Heck if I had inside info I wouldn't be asking questions here. It is interesting to see how people watch the same events and get such a different view of what is(and will be) happening. I like it here because you can have an opinion and not be hammered as a Bammer for not following the company line.; 7:44 PM
Anonymous said...: Eddie,

I agree 100%. I certainly don't think a decision has been made to keep him. If so, we would have already heard about it, IMO.; 7:45 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Exactly FSJ. What could possibly be the point in deciding to keep him and not say anything. If Tubs gets blown out at Alabama, that surely will have a say in it.; 7:47 PM
AUfan said...: Eddie, do you think it depends on the Bama game or are there other factors in play? It just seems short-sighted in my view to make such a choice on one game. I hope that is not the case.; 7:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Just going on the thinking that everything is so quit that the PTB already has someone picked and is keeping very hush-hush, and I don't think they can or there is nothing there to report. I also don't think they are ready to toss 10-12 mil to get it all done.

BTW-Lowder's personal stock in CNB was worth $153+ mil this time last year. Only worth $18.2 mil today. Is he ready to pony up?; 7:48 PM
Anonymous said...: depressed,

I look at it like this....

-If this is truly Gouge's decision then he will wait until after the Alabama game to get a total picture. I think we all agree that Jacobs will not make this decision.

-If this is a BOT/PTB decision, something will be announced prior to the Alabama game. No way, IMO, that they let him get to the Alabama game with a chance to win popular opinion to his side with a big upset.

-If the decision has been announce to keep him no matter what (I don't believe it for a minute) they will announce it this week or next week.; 7:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Just an observation, but it seems that generally, the folks that think CTT will be back are the type of folks that place a lot of stock in what PMarshall says (when he finally says).

The folks that think that CTT is gone generally seem to be the type of fans that don't miss a Finebaum show.; 7:53 PM
Monica said...: and what do you base all that belief on, Faker?; 7:53 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: depressed- I think it is everything that this year has been about and that is how it will be judged. Remember, last year was a pretty lousy year with a highlight win over a 7-6 bama team and a 9-4 Florida team. I think he is being judged as a whole over this season and last, and that includes the next game.

Everyone seems to be indicating that Tubs will return, and if that is so, then I will support it, but why not say something. Makes no effing sense to me. The other thing that I have a problem with is the baggage that he will be carrying into next season. The question I have that I am trying to answer is that if Tubs stays, can next year be much better than this year?; 7:54 PM
Anonymous said...: Monica,

I'm an Alabama fan. We go through coaches like most people do underwear.

I've seen my share of coaching chaos.

Your fellow Bama fan,
FSJ; 7:56 PM
Monica said...: so what you are saying is that you don't know what the heck you are talking about??? :-); 7:57 PM
Anonymous said...: hoopie,

Considering Marshall had Auburn going 10-2 this year, the Finebaum folks may be riding the correct horse.

FSJ; 7:58 PM
Anonymous said...: Only a couple of my AU friends are willing to entertain the idea of CTT leaving. The only time I hear such talk is on the internet or the Alabama Media.

I bet Mindbomb is loving it...got them Barners all worked up. He needs AU to change coaches now that Bama is winning and he can't stir the Bammers up anymore. Let's fess up...who listens; 7:59 PM
Anonymous said...: eddie-I think he stays. I am torn between whether that is good thing or not. From a PR point it is a good thing. From a win-loss point, I am not convinced we are going to be much better. I have said before that if you are OK with 8-4 or 9-3 then TUbbs is the guy you want. With that said though, who are you gonna get? Every young guy seems to be tagged with 'he hasn't coached in the SEC and his offense won't work.' Well you can't say get rid of Tubbs and then want a high profile coach that you can not get. Remember UAT lucked into Saban. They were hot after Rich Rod (imagine what they would be doing if they had him now) and he turned them down. So did Spurrier according some. So be careful what you wish for if you do n ot have a replacement already committed.; 8:02 PM
Anonymous said...: Predicting wins and knowing folks are 2 completely things. Also FSJ, which brilliant Alabama journalists picked AU to go 5-6 up to now, so your points are irrevelant? The lowest I saw was 8-4.

Mindbomb doesn't know football....he only knows how to manipulate the mindless.; 8:03 PM
Anonymous said...: I listen...do you?

You indicate you know the tone and tenor of his show.; 8:03 PM
AUfan said...: Eddie, that is the problem I have with keeping Tubs. The offense will have to start over with whoever comes in, and how do you get a GOOD OC to come to a program with so much uncertainty and what looks to be a lame-duck HC? Combine that with a brutal road schadule, Marks probably leaving, AC possibly leaving and I just don't see a big improvment next year. I would love to be proven wrong but I just don't see it. And I am not a CTT hater, it just seems like we are in a decline with no clear way out.; 8:03 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Hoopie- I listen to finebaum once in awhile. I'm not a regular listener, but then again, I really only started since it follows the roundtable and I listen to it.; 8:04 PM
Anonymous said...: hoopie,

There was an AP voter that did not have Auburn or WVU in his top 25 this year due to the changes on the coaching staffs of each school. He looks brilliant right now.; 8:04 PM
Anonymous said...: FSJ-a blind hog finds acorn every once in a while. I haven't listened to Finebaum in several years, but I remember Shane having a Tubby watch about year two. I bet he still has it. If he lives long enough it will come true. If Finebaum is jumping on Tubbs to leave, then he is either right or wrong, so what has he got to lose. If he is right he will take the credit for getting him fired, if he is wrong, he will dog AU for keeping him. Sound familiar.; 8:06 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: wtc- I'm right where you are. I'm completely torn.

Depressed- Agreed. I'm afraid this will really hurt recruiting the next two years. I hear how great this class is now, but i'm not sold one bit. We don't have many players that others want to steal away from us.; 8:07 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- That one voter caught hell from the Auburn and West Virginia folks. I believe he did have Alabama ranked, but I also believe he was a bama fan. Looks like a genius now.; 8:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Once again, eddie, I agree.

We are thinking alike...

That should concern you greatly... :-); 8:09 PM
Anonymous said...: Yes, he was a Bama fan.

He had Alabama ranked, but not very high.

DelGreco tried to embarrass him on the morning show in Birmingham. The guy stood his ground though.; 8:10 PM
Anonymous said...: I think the reporter was a UAT grad and freely admitted that he was thinking to the end of the year and not currently thinking of the preseason, that is why he got grief. He may be a stinking genuis, but I doubt it. If he is, then Shane and the crew are also and we know that is not the case.

So far he has been right, but he is way off the norm from those that were doing preseason picks back then.; 8:13 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- I actually consider myself a level headed bloke most of the time. I knew that the season hinged on the QB play for Auburn, and it did, but I never saw it being as bad as it turned out. I was not going to be surprised if Alabama had a good year. They were returning a SR QB and Saban is a defensive mastermind. The ingreedents were there for success, but I never saw them being 11-0 at this point. I saw them being 8-2 honestly.; 8:13 PM
Anonymous said...: WTC...I agree. Another year may not produce better results, but it is just wrong to throw CTT out now. Even with all of the bad news this season, he still has every recruit comitted in the currently ranked #4 recruiting class.

If he can't right the ship in the next year or 2, then maybe it's time. Besides..I don't see many worthy HC candidates and there is a lot of competition right now.; 8:16 PM
Anonymous said...: Agreed,

I thought Bama would lose to UGA, LSU, & either Clemson or UT.

I thought Auburn would probably lose to UGA, WVU, & Alabama.; 8:17 PM
Anonymous said...: I'm in Ga. and have only listened for a few times on the internet. My brother (Bama grad) fills me in on the lunacy.; 8:18 PM
Anonymous said...: Hoopie,

Auburn is not going to end up at #4 in recruiting. That current ranking is a product of alot of other teams not having filled their allotment yet, while Auburn is sitting there with 22+ commitments.

I predict Auburn will end up around 15th in recruiting. A good class, but not a top flight one.; 8:19 PM
barkley for governor said...: If you believe Auburn has the 4th best recruiting class in the country I've got some ocean front property for you out in Arizona.; 8:22 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Hoopie- FSJ is right. This class is only ranked #4 due to quantity, not quality. It will slip out of the top ten and closer to mid teens by the time signing day rolls around.; 8:22 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I figure Auburn being "ranked" 10-15 in recruiting is business as usual.; 8:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Agreed Jay.

The question is in the SEC are you falling behind when you are ranked at 15?; 8:24 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Agreed jay, but can Auburn ever hope for better, or is that it?; 8:25 PM
barkley for governor said...: Jay, do you know what Kirkpatrick had to say about his visit this weekend?; 8:25 PM
Anonymous said...: I had AU losing 2-3 games and Bama going 8-4. I had UGA losing 2 b/c of their tuff sched. We are in the SEC and losses are a part of life...even Spurrier has never gone undefeated. I consider an SEC season to be similar to the pros.; 8:26 PM
Anonymous said...: Let me revisit the marketing idea again.
Last year I think many coaches knew a couple of guys Saban got were goingot paly baseball. He got them to commit anyway and even though they went another route, the class gave him a high ranking and got the name out there. There are a few others that will never play but made the class one worth talking about. Compare that to AU's and the several that did not qualify and will never play at AU. Image is huge and AU is getting banhammered at it for now. It can change if the new OC can tunr the O around.

How about hiring Frnaklin back to run his offense with his recruits. We have to pay him anyway.; 8:30 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Hoopie, Spurrier has gone undefeated in the SEC at least twice, just not undefeated over the whole schedule.; 8:30 PM
AUBigCat said...: Barkley not taking anything away from Saban's NC because that 03 LSU team was great, but given the same opportunity AU could have a NC as well. We dont and that's cool but CTT has coached a team that was good enough on paper and the field to do it. I would disagree that CTT is mediocre. Winning is alot easier at some programs. They will always have a leg up in recruiting, fanbase, and history. AU aint one of those programs.; 8:31 PM
Anonymous said...: Fir ithise that think Tubbs stays, who is a good fit for OC. Look at the recruits we have for 2009. The new OC has to run a spread type offense. Look at who they are and you can see we can not go back to the power game. I think for Cotton, the TE Philip and Scott to reconfirm, Tubbs must have said something sweet to thier ear and it wasn't AU is going back to the I formation.; 8:33 PM
AUBigCat said...: I think Dre said he would put us in his top 10. LOL; 8:34 PM
Monica said...: We may have lost Dre, but at least we've made an offer Blake Burgess.

sheesh; 8:36 PM
barkley for governor said...: Top 10? We're moving up.; 8:36 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Guys, you've read me all wrong.

I think a change needs to be made but you're kidding yourself if you think AU will out-recruit Bammer every year in Alerbamer.

Won't happen. Won't change with a new HC....just isn't going to happen but that's the beauty of the program.

Now, can we get good players - yes. Can we get good players from AL - yes. But Bammer will get MOST of the players.

Let me make my stance known - A change is needed sooner rather than later to keep from falling too far behind the UGA's, LSU's and UF's.

I'm in my 30's and I know Aubrun can not only compete with the Criminal Tyde but whip them on the field CONSISTANTLY.; 8:37 PM
AUBigCat said...: I think CTT has said that we would be a spread/power mix like OU. AU does have a very big back on the commitment list so we sould still be able to run down hill.; 8:37 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: BTW, my Tuberville Firing Index is down to 50% ... or maybe lower. I think he'll be here in 2009.; 8:37 PM
AUfan said...: Hoopie, I don't really expect AU to go undefeated(hope,yes). When losses start coming to Vandy, Arkansas, Ole Miss etc. that is what troubles me as a fan. And the losses really don't seem surprising any more.; 8:37 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: Again, as I have said before, he can make the case that this is a contained fire (ie offense is bad, everything else is fine) and pledge to do whatever it takes to fix that side of the ball.

He'll pay an OC $400k-ish, allow the new guy to make his own decisions about offensive assistants.; 8:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Monica just made my/our point. This kid is a 0 star and has two schools in the running: AU and UAB. I did hear his dad say they visited UAT this weekend and left after the 1st quarter.; 8:39 PM
AUBigCat said...: I agree Chris...the only way a new HC comes in and consistently out-recruits Bama/Saban in recruiting is if his name is Pete Carroll; 8:40 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Jay- It seems everybody has changed their stance of Tubs going from being fired to staying for nextg year. My question to you is, what has changed this? Is it money? I don't buy that everyone backs Tubs and wants him back, so I am curious to why everyone has the change in their belief.; 8:40 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I explained it above.

That's his stance and I get the feeling it'll sway people.; 8:42 PM
Anonymous said...: Contained fire?

He gets rid of a coordinator on most years it seems.; 8:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Jay-I heard you on the lunch bunch show today. Was I correct in hearing you say AU will never be an excellent team year after year. Maybe excellent, good, good, excellent, good, good, good, excellent. Something like that?

It is sad that I agree with you on that point.; 8:43 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I don't put much credence into recruiting rankings. It's all about Ws and Ls during the fall. Either you have what you need or you don't.

Rank that.; 8:43 PM
AUfan said...: Jay, I know you can't reveal too much info, but what seems to have everyone convinced now to keep CTT when before they seemed ready to make a change? I just don't see much(if any) difference in the program now conpared to say a month ago. I'm no insider though, have I missed something everyone else sees?; 8:43 PM
Denny Crum said...: Please no recruiting banter. Recruiting ratings are the most corrupt thing going on in College athletics. Almost as bad as AAU basketball. Whether players are one star and two star three star and so forth, it is just not worth the paper or time even looking at that stuff.

The 'recruiting gurus' take rumor, second and third hand information about players and with a little guesswork and embellishment, print information has facts.; 8:45 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: That's almost exactly what I said.

I think Auburn is destined to oscillate between good to excellent when everything's hitting on all cylinders.

Good = 8-4 or 9-3.
Excellent = better than that.; 8:45 PM
AUBigCat said...: Do ya'll believe that recruiting at AU is as easy as walking into a kids living room and saying "hey we really really want you to come here?"; 8:45 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Jay- I rank it unranked this year :).; 8:45 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I gotta write this women's story.

I'll check back in 30 minutes or so ...; 8:46 PM
barkley for governor said...: Haha, Tuberville keeps starting the fires. He should contain himself from starting another fire and move on.; 8:46 PM
AUBigCat said...: Depressed how can you not see a difference in this program over the last month?; 8:47 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: aubigcat- No way do I believe that, but I believe that if working very hard and proving yoursef on the field, then Recruiting can be very fruitful for Auburn.; 8:47 PM
Anonymous said...: Reasons to keep Tubbs:

Too many other programs looking for top talent and AU doesn't want to get in a bidding war.

Tubbs will have to get rid of some staff and he will do it.

Tubbs has run a clean program.

Many still think he was shafted before and do not want to give the PTB the thrill of wining this one.

Tubbs has a good, not great record, and has done a lot for AU's image over the past 10 years.; 8:48 PM
AUBigCat said...: FWIW Scouts doesnt show us offering Burgess.; 8:48 PM
Denny Crum said...: the 'has' should be 'as'; 8:49 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8:49 PM
Monica said...: aubigcat - want me to email you the article?; 8:50 PM
AUBigCat said...: Hopefully one day we will get a consistent offense and recruit the same calibur players as the Defense usually does.; 8:50 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: cat - where is it that easy?

Here's what a kid wants - A CAHNCE TO PLAY ON SUNDAYS.

All this tradition crap is for the sidewalk alumi.

If a kid can get exsposure and play for a school that consistantly puts kids in the NFL at their position then that school has a shot. PERIOD.

Why would a player go to Miami? Okalhoma? Leave New Jersey for Florida?

EVERY PLAYER - every one of them think they are good enough to play on sundays.; 8:51 PM
AUBigCat said...: Sure Monica...not doubting you though I havent seen anything on it.; 8:52 PM
Anonymous said...: Look at the papers from around the state and youcan see tubbs doesn't recruit hard in AL.

Probst said he never came around. The coach at Vigor said AU can't send an asst coach down to compete with Saban. Gasden is always tough but no need to give up there. I too do not want ot talk about stars, just don't give up on good quality players in the state.; 8:52 PM
Monica said...: it's going to take me forever to guess your email address; 8:53 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Look at AU's best team in the last 10 years - 2004.

Sure there were some stud AL players on that team but the M. McNeil's and the R. Brown's on that team are "AUBURN RECRUITS".

Guys flying under the radar that fit the system and were unselfish enough to play their roles.

AU has to recruit the entire area to be sucessful so I'm not worried about Bammer winning Bammer - its been that way for years.; 8:54 PM
AUBigCat said...: Where is it that easy??? Notre Dame, Ohio, Michigan, UF, Alabama, Texas, USC, LSU....

We put more than our fair share of players in the NFL yet we have to work hard even for defensive players.; 8:54 PM
AUBigCat said...: I just dont think AU is being out worked as much as it's a much harder sell for big time players. Especially when this State is like 4-1 UA/AU fans.; 8:56 PM
Anonymous said...: You oknowomy concern is not that Tubbs has had several OC ov erthe years. It is that they do not seem to be allowed to run there offense. No way the offense for LaMo was TF's offense. Somewhere between 2 a days and the game that offense was scrubbed. It was downhill from there.
If Au runs an offense like OU that's fine. i don't remember M Leach getting canned after 5 games at OU or the other OC Stoops had. you know he went through 3 OC's in about 6 years. FYI.; 8:57 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Aubigcat- It can and has been done. I don't care about recruiting rankings, but I do care about losing out on players that the coaches want. I trust the coaches in their abilities to evaluate recruits. We need not win all the battles, but we better win our fair share of them.; 9:00 PM
AUfan said...: Aubigcat,I see Kodi playing better and everyone else about the same. I hear the same reasons about playing(or not) certain players that just seem strange, same special team struggles. Until the UGA game, most AU fans I know seemed pretty lackluster about the program. To me UGA's lack of discipline kept AU in the game. I was glad to see a good effort but shouldn't we have a good effort against UGA? Maybe I'm just discouraged about the season, but I don't see the reason for the recent optomistic feel for the program.; 9:00 PM
Monica said...: "People who say it can't be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." author unknown

and AUBigCat you can email me at monica_wareagle@yahoo.com if you want the Blake Burgess article as I do not have you email address; 9:02 PM
AUBigCat said...: Depressed here are some of the changes that I see: The OL went from like 12 penalties per game to 2, WRs are getting open and catching the ball, and the team seems to be gaining confidence in themselves and each other. That's pretty good to not have a true OC and identity.; 9:07 PM
AUBigCat said...: I agree eddie we better win our fair share.; 9:08 PM
AUBigCat said...: monica I sent you an email; 9:11 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Sorry cat - but NO WAY is it that easy at those schools.

Michigan?

And we've seen Bammer over the past few years under Fran and Shula absolutely SUCK at it.

Auburn has beaten Ohio St for players from Fla recently so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Now, are they sucessful? Yes.

But can they just cherry pick the best players, NO.; 9:12 PM
Denny Crum said...: I don't know about you all, but if this season were a movie, what movie does it remind you of. For me it is the Seventh Seal in the orginal Swedish with subtitles starring with Max Von Sydow. CTT has the main role as a knight, Antonius Block returning from the Crusades after 10 years and plays Death personified (Nick Saban) for his life. In this case the chess game is a football game.; 9:13 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Aubigcat- I would have to disagree about the offense getting better. It may be making less mistakes, but the points per game have not changed.; 9:13 PM
Anonymous said...: I thought we played better than previous games but UGA did everything they could keep us in the game.

As for next year the QB play will be sporatic. KB probably wil lnot be the man. I think it will be Trotter. The WR's wil be much better due to the recruits we have coming in that have run the new offense. that is why i feel good about next year.; 9:14 PM
Monica said...: I posted the wrong name because Greg and I were talking about Blake Burgess. The offer was made to Anthony Gulley. My apologies for the error.; 9:15 PM
Anonymous said...: thanks for the correction Monica. We are battling Alabama St., Troy, Jacksonville St, and Southern miss.; 9:20 PM
Denny Crum said...: this useless recruiting discussion is rancorous and is really quite pointless.; 9:22 PM
Monica said...: Denny - Don't read it.; 9:23 PM
Anonymous said...: Go girl.

Your point is well taken. We should be going after better talent than this at this time.; 9:26 PM
AUfan said...: Sorry, cat I just don't see it. Fewer penalties,yes but as Eddie said no more points. And the defense and special teams have been trending down all season long( I know injuries have hurt the D, but still.); 9:28 PM
Denny Crum said...: I can't help it, I am drawn like a moth to a flame and before I know I have wasted 30 seconds I will never get back.; 9:29 PM
Anonymous said...: OK looks like I am done for tonight. WE did nto solve anything in 200 posts. Maybe we will hear something later this week on Tubbs status.; 9:31 PM
AUBigCat said...: Chris you're right that UM and OSU may not have free reign all over the country to cherry pick but in their areas repectively, they have first pick of the best players. As far as Bama goes Shula was an aweful recruiter. Dont remember how Fran did but the UA name recruits itself. I have heard more AU players say that UA was their first choice but werent recruited by them. That's pretty easy to me. Most schools dont have it like that.; 9:35 PM
AUBigCat said...: Guys this offense was pathetic for most of the year. It couldnt move the ball in the second half period. The defense was on the field most of the game. The offense still has redzone issues, true, but before we werent even getting to the redzone much. WRs are wide open and Kodi is making good reads. You guys really dont see the improvement??; 9:38 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I don't really have much to add to this discussion.

I'm now under 50%. Too many people are preaching patience and that gives me the idea that Tuberville will end up getting another season to fix issues.

I think he can win plenty if someone comes in here and creates a new offensive paradigm: Strategic uniformity, shrewd play-calling, improved player development. It can be done.; 9:40 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I'm headed back to MGM.

I'll be back in Auburn tomorrow morning ...; 9:41 PM
AUBigCat said...: Thanks for the email Monica. The Gulley kid has ok stats depending on where they will play him. 5-10, 185 with a 4.4/40 is not bad. But the thing I dont understand is that they let Tim Simon go to Ole Miss and he was a big AU fan. We pulled his scholly and he was like 6-2 210 RB that ran 4.5/40 and had a great season as well. I dont understand it but the coaches know alot more about recruiting than I ever will and they are usually right about these things. Remember Marks was a 2* guy.; 9:42 PM
AUfan said...: Cat, UGA had given up 125 points in the 3 games before AU. We put up 13 and people feel good about the offense. Again I feel like Kodi has improved but that was starting from a low bar. We are 119 out of 119 in the country in red zone offense. That's not good.; 9:47 PM
michael said...: so is there anyone here hoping we lose to Alabama because you think that will be the nail in Tubby's coffin? Come on out, admit it, I know there are some out there!; 9:48 PM
AUBigCat said...: Now I didnt say we were good. I just said I think we have improved over the past month. LOL; 9:49 PM
Monica said...: Michael are you projecting?; 9:49 PM
michael said...: No, I am baiticating haters. I think Tubs is staying unless he chokes a bama player, but that is my completely uninformed opinion. But I am completely right, too.; 9:54 PM
AUBigCat said...: One last thing about recruiting that I learned earlier this season. A lot of 'offers' are conditional and depend on if a player higher on the board commits or not. Others are like the Pybus kid that didnt get an offer until the very last minute and that was probably based on AU having a scholly left and no better player to take. At any rate, that kid is smart, strong as an ox and has solid stats physically. I think he will be a good player when it's all said and done.; 9:55 PM