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12.03.2008

The official release

AUBURN—Tommy Tuberville is resigning as head football coach at
Auburn, announced Athletics Director Jay Jacobs, Wednesday. Tuberville
has served as the program’s head coach the last 10 seasons.

“The last 10 years have been a great time in my life, both
professionally and personally,” Tuberville said. “It’s been a
great place to coach and live, and we’ve had a lot of success along
the way. I’m going to remain in Auburn and help the Auburn family
however I can. I’m very appreciative of the coaches, players, staff
and Auburn fans over the last decade.”

In 10 years at Auburn, Tuberville posted an 85-40 record and a
51-29 mark in Southeastern Conference play. Tuberville directed the
program to eight winning seasons, including a perfect 13-0 mark in
2004.

“Tommy and I have had the opportunity to discuss the direction
of the program,” Jacobs said. “Through those discussions, Tommy felt
it would be in his and the program’s best interest to step aside as
Auburn’s head football coach.”

“We appreciate everything Tommy has done for this program,
this university and the Auburn community over the last 10 years,”
Jacobs said. “He has established a strong foundation to build upon and
we thank him for the standard he set. We wish Tommy and his
family—wife Suzanne, and sons Tucker and Troy—nothing but the
best.”

The buyout portion of Tuberville’s contract will be fulfilled,
from which no state or university funds will be used. All assistant and
contractual staff will be paid according to their respective contracts.

“I will begin the search immediately for Auburn’s next head
football coach,” Jacobs said. “We will move as quickly and
efficiently as we possibly can, but we’re going to be thorough and
strategic with our search to find the best fit for Auburn.”

A press conference with Athletics Director Jay Jacobs will be
held at 11 a.m. CT in the Athletic Complex Auditorium on Thursday. The
press conference will be closed to the public.

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Blogger WRB3 said...

I second KMO's thoughts on Peterson. The guy deserves a close look by ANY program in need of a HC. He young, you know he's hungry for a big time program he can win with...a LOT like the Myer hire at UF.

9:19 PM  
Blogger coosa said...

Why do some of you say that we are "entitled" to something better than 8-4 or 9-3? We've never done better than that for an extended time during our entire history when we were playing by the rules.

No other honest coach has come close to Tubs' record. And there is nobody out there with credentials any better than his that we can get.

9:19 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

what does your 'gut' tell you Jay G. not so much do they have their guy, but how far are were they already into finding a replacement.

9:21 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

Jay, thanks for all the accurate reporting today along with the atheletic complex artwork - made me feel like I was right there in the middle of all the action. I've been glued to the HABOTN all day and didn't get any work done.

I would like to thank CTT for everything he's done for the program over the last 10 years. 2004 is a season that will live in my Auburn heart forever. I wish him well with whatever he may pursue in the future.

But my goodness, I just can't believe what former AU verbal commit, David Conner, said about his recruitment by AU...

"As of Wednesday, Conner hadn't heard from anyone from Auburn in weeks."

This is just unacceptable with what Saban is doing at Bama, Meyer at UF, and Richt at UGA. We have got to put together a staff that will recruit lights out if winning the West and making it to Atlanta every year are expected. Man I really want Butch Davis...

9:22 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

coosa,

the "we can't get" type of thinking is the problem. set your goals higher. if we keep saying "we can't get" then we never will.

9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dream scenario:

Auburn hires Boise St.'s Chris Peterson. Boise gets an at-large bid to the Sugar Bowl and plays Bama. As the Auburn faithful look on, Boise St. pulls the upset and Peterson gets his second BCS vicotry.

9:23 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

what about unofficially?

9:24 PM  
Blogger Kathy said...

Just hit me that I haven't received my TUF donation/bill yet? I know the deadline to renew is the end of February, but we usually have it by now. Has anybody else received theirs. I know someone who is a scholarship donor. Has been for years. After he heard the news, he said he wasn't contributing next year. I think he will. He was just really upset at the time. He really liked Tommy. I like Tommy too, but I was very irritated with him after last year's fiasco where he left us fans in suspense for so long. And recruiting has been terrible. And then that interview after the Iron Bowl.

9:25 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Ummmm.

Gut feeling on a replacement?

I'd say they have their target in mind, but I think Auburn was a little surprised by things that happened today. I don't think they necessarily were expecting a coaching search.

9:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we were to get Peterson would we have to make our field Orange or Blue?

9:25 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I mean, they already had names in mind ...

9:25 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

You don't think they we're expecting a coaching search Jay? So you think Tubs pulled the plug, not AU?

9:26 PM  
Blogger Jim in Scranton said...

I'm down with Peterson.

9:27 PM  
Blogger Kathy said...

Surprised, how?

9:27 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

Isn't Peterson rumored to be a Scientologist.

9:27 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

What were they surprised by Jay?

You don't think they have just been buying time to see who's interested?

9:27 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

I don't know about scientologist, but I know he's rumored to be a darn good football coach.

9:28 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

And since the job opening is for a football coach, I say we give him a look.

9:29 PM  
Blogger Curtime said...

Jay,

Will AU have to pay an established coach CTT salary figures or more, or could they get away with a lower salary? Seems like the trend with these new coaching things is to pay the new guy more than the old guy. That may just be my imagination, though.

9:29 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

That is what I was wanting to know. So, Auburn was surprised by everything. So, maybe the top guys at Auburn didn't mishandle things, maybe CTT just said the Heck with it. If so, then it is not Auburn, but maybe CTT who is acting rather petulent.

9:30 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

Folks, I can almost assure you that Petrino was contacted and turned the job down.

9:30 PM  
Blogger tigerfan44 said...

Jay you got us where you want us throws some names out there with %.
Mine are
Mushchamp 25%(if mack has 2 years or less left he would be crazy to leave.)
Peterson 25%
Davis 25%
Borges 25% ( did you see CTT record with him and without)

9:30 PM  
Blogger krewe said...

You must go with a proven guy or you just wasted 6 mil. I also don't think you can go for an assistant with the current climate in the SEC. But if you go assistant you got to go Muschamp.

9:30 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I don't think they were just buying time, no.

I'm not sure what their motivation was -- the logic, as it was explained to me, doesn't make perfect sense -- but I don't think a Wednesday resignation was the expected outcome.

9:31 PM  
Blogger coosa said...

>>>the "we can't get" type of thinking is the problem. set your goals higher. if we keep saying "we can't get" then we never will.<<<

But the thing is, Tubs could "get." He "got" better than anyone we've ever had.

"Making it to Atlanta every year" is not a reasonable standard to hold any coach to, much less a coach at Auburn. Imposing that sort of standard on a coach is sure to destroy us.

9:32 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I can't speak about successors yet.

I just don't have a grasp on what Auburn is trying to do, etc.

9:32 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

AUFan, I vote for orange. That way we can finally wear those orange jerseys and pants so we'll be somewhat camouflaged. Maybe we can sneak the ball across the goal line and score an offensive TD every now and then that way :)

9:32 PM  
Blogger tennessee tiger said...

shesaid, I am not sold on Leach at all. IF he is the guy, could be great with better resources, or could be a bust. But as far as your "comparison" here's what I see in a 3-year window from the two:

Tubs: 11 wins, 9 wins, 5 wins.
Leach: 8 wins, 9 wins, 11 wins.

See a trend there?

I am still holding out hope for a better name with a less gimmicky offense, like Butch Davis. Or a guy that would be even more of a real high risk/high reward hire than Leach, somebody like Muschamp. Muschamp might be a bust, but he seems to have the fire to duel Saban on the recruiting trail, which is what we need given the scraps TT left us with.

9:32 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Can someone please tell me what the reason for the love affair with Will Muschamp is? He is about the least proven of anyone that has been mentioned. He need some time to mature. Personally I think Texas is making a mistake if they hand that progam to him any time soon. He's out of control.

9:32 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

Jay I would say your grasp is correct because I don't Auburn knows what quite to do right now. Having names is fine, but viable names, that is another story.

9:34 PM  
Blogger Jet said...

AUTiger3 ... everyone SEEMS to base their Muschamp discontent with sideline demeanor.

So he can dial back a click or 2.

What Muschamp brings is full-out passion and energy that has been missing.

Texas, one of the nation's top 3-5 programs, is ready to hand the keys to him at any point. That ought to be a sign.

9:35 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

Campfire Jay? Or is the traffic a little too heavy right now?

9:35 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

If the reports are true that Leach was contacted yesterday, how can today's events be a suprise? Isn't it possible that Tubbs was fired yesterday and today was spent negotiating the terms?

9:36 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

And AUtiger3, I have been asking the same question. Almost like the bammers man love for dubose.

9:36 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Coosa,

I don't think we should be in ATL every year. There are three programs in the west that should compete every year. LSU, UA, AU. We should be there one year out of every three. Anything else is gravy. But we haven't made to that point.

It's just football, so why settle for second best. Set your goal to be the best in the country and if you fall short so what. But is say 8 and 4 is okay every year then that is exactly what you will get.

9:36 PM  
Blogger Jet said...

Dubose love was based on because he was one of them.

Muschamp has a body of work away from Auburn. Dubose didn't.

9:37 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

I just don't see how they could've been surprised, even you had your percentage way up.

9:37 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Knuckleheads if they let him go without having someone in the bag. They are dumber than I thought.

Maybe Jay can help me out here, but I hear Tubbs was ready with all they wanted from him but then had a change of heart and decided it was time to step down. It was more like he dropped the bomb on them and they were not ready.

Total boneheads. I would love to get Jacobs in full tilt poker. Within an hour the school would be named WTC University.

9:38 PM  
Blogger KJtiger said...

jay do you think CTT really just resigned and did not want to try again and this caught everyone off guard. AM I reading you right?

9:38 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Coosa,

"Entitled", no. However, expecting a little more isn't a problem at all.

9:38 PM  
Blogger coosa said...

So Jay, you think they expected Tubs to cave in to their demands and were shocked when he didn't?

9:38 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Texas is being short sighted and stupid in my opinion. They ought to send him out to HC at some small school for 4 years with a gaurantee he can return when mack hangs it up. That would be better.

By the way, I'm as passionate as they come, can I have the HC job. I got passion man. Never played a down of organized football in my life, but what the heck, I've got me some PASSION!

9:38 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Tub probably got tired of playing the waiting game and demanded something get done.

9:39 PM  
Blogger WDCWE said...

We "settled" for 8-4 Tubbervile until 2004 and we got perfect season. That happens to a program once every decade or two.

9:39 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

If this was all Tuberville, how would he be collecting his buyout?

9:39 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

WTC,

Agree completely. If the departure was AU's doing and there was nobody (HC) on standby, they deserve whatever they get. That would have been idiotic.

9:41 PM  
Blogger JgobravesHAG said...

I want Steve Spurrier.

9:41 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

I think what AUtiger is saying about every 3rd year is reasonable. At UofL in basketball, the expectation is to be vying for the final four about every other year. National championship is what you hope for, but you have to compete at that level consistently.

My last years at UofL had people saying that Sweet 16 appearances and getting beat in the second round of the NCAA was mediocre. It you want to achieve greatness, then I suppose it is. As good as Cliff Ellis and Sonny Smith did at Auburn, they never made it to the final four, but they are considered successful coaches at Auburn,different expectations.

9:41 PM  
Blogger tennessee tiger said...

I'd say they have their target in mind, but I think Auburn was a little surprised by things that happened today. I don't think they necessarily were expecting a coaching search.

Jay G, I thought you said earlier that AU wouldn't make a move unless they had their next guy all lined up. Is this reporterspeak? Have you spent too many years around TT? I am just pulling your leg, you do a great job here, but those statements do seem incongruent. Can you elaborate?

9:41 PM  
Blogger Romberry said...

Isn't Peterson rumored to be a Scientologist.

That rumour seems to have started on a football forum. I can find absolutely nothing to substantiate it. Not one iota of proof that Peterson is a follower of L. Wrong Hubbard to be had anywhere. The whole thing leads in a circle from one football board to another and back again.

I'm a long time critic of this "religion" and generally have no trouble turning up some sort of info on people who are in and who have a high profile. $cientology makes sure that they use their high profile members to good effect for recruiting purposes and if a twice undefeated division 1 coach was in the cult, you'd likely know it and be able to verify it with little trouble.

9:42 PM  
Blogger WDCWE said...

My top choice is Paul Johnson. I think Kodi could run the Triple Option with MF and Ben Tate.

9:42 PM  
Blogger Jim in Scranton said...

Coosa,

Where have you seen anyone say we should be going to Atlanta every year? 2 times in 10 years. Is that good enough when Bama was down and LSU went though 3 coaching changes? Tuberville brought 1 SEC title.

Can't we strive for more?

9:43 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

There is very little out there about Peterson, very little in terms of biography other than basic stuff.. Rumors are just that, but that is a pretty good one to have been made up.

9:44 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

CCR,

Get us to ATL 1 year out of every three, that's all I ask. That hasn't been done. BCS bowl occasionally would be nice. 8-4 is average. It means we likely lost at least 3 conference games, or we lost to a non-con that we shouldn't have. 10-2, that would be better. 8-4 is AVERAGE!

9:44 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

JHAG,

Dude, what are you smoking? The OLD ball coach is exactly that - OLD. I mean, he's really blown the doors off it at SC right? I love the guy, but he's headed into the sunset. Not the guy we need.

9:47 PM  
Blogger WDCWE said...

I do think that Auburn is a great football program, I personally think it is more difficult for Auburn to get to Atlanta in any given year than LSU, Tenn, and Bama. They have a much larger recruiting base, much more money at their disposal, and a more noteriety. I am not saying that Auburn is mediocre or shouldn't expect more, but I see that it is harder road for us than our rivals.

9:48 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Tenn tiger-I think they got caught with their pants down. Tubbs will have the last laugh in this thing.

PTB push, push and push thinking they have him over a barrel and he calls their bluff.

The riverboat gambler pulled a straight onthe river card when AU was all in.

9:49 PM  
Blogger WDCWE said...

Sorry, I forgot that Tenn, wasn't in the West for one minute... but you get what I am saying. The same goes for Florida in the East

9:50 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

If that is the case, then no sympathy for CTT.

9:51 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

CCR,

You and coosa must be related. Poor us. We're only capable of 8-4. It's so hard.

We make it hard by not setting expectations higher. We are a complacent bunch. Just don't suck and its all okay. Time to change the attitude. We criticize bama for not ever being satisfied, but look where it got them - 12 and 0 and on the doorstep of the national championship. There is a lesson there dude if you can see it.

9:52 PM  
Blogger Jet said...

AUTiger3 ... while I love your passion ... you haven't played in the SEC, been an GA under Bill Oliver, worked on a national championship staff, worked under Saban, Tuberville and Brown ... coordinated highly ranked defenses, been an effective recruiter and been named for the momennt as coach in waiting at one of the top 3-5 programs in the nation.

You don't have to want him, but to dismiss out of hand is selling this guy short.

He's not my only choice, but he's my first one.

9:52 PM  
Blogger JgobravesHAG said...

just my IMO, Spurrier would be the biggest hire possible, it would bring sabaness' publicity. My opinion though and desire, to turn this thing around quick we need a rockstar name like that.

9:54 PM  
Blogger Jet said...

If Peterson could recruit some 5-star aliens, I might get interested in a hurry ... you know a shut down cover corner from Gorkon ... or a tall, strong, fast WR from Xastion.

Has potential.

9:54 PM  
Blogger WDCWE said...

I do, but I also think that same attitude of high expectations led to winning at all costs for BAMA. It is doing well for them now, but not so much with probation and players getting arrested over a long period of time.

9:55 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Jet,

That is an argument I will buy. That's all I wanted. Just someone to say something other than "he's got so much passion!" I'm good with the resume you just listed, that's what I wanted to see.

I still think the guy needs to prove himself as an HC before taking over a top flight program, but hey, that's just my opinion.

9:55 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Again, I love Spurrier, but the Rock Star name hasn't done it for SC, and I'm not convinced it would here. I think his name is not what it used to be.

9:57 PM  
Blogger Romberry said...

Rumors are just that, but that is a pretty good one to have been made up.

No, it's not a "good one", it's a dumb one apparently started by some idiot redneck posting on a football board who doesn't have the sense to know that just because there is a Chris Peterson (musician and film maker associated with $cientology's Celebrity Center in LA) that it doesn't mean that it is THE Chris Peterson coaching football at Boise State.

Silly rumours are just that. If I believed every bit of nonsense I read on some of these sports boards, I'd be thinking that Barack Obama is a communist and George W. Bush (or is that Dick Cheney?) eats live puppies for breakfast.

I doubt Peterson is headed to Auburn one way or the other, but the $cientology rumour appears to be utterly baseless.

9:58 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

AUTiger3,

I agree, a trip to ATL every 3 years and 10 wins every 2-3 years with soild QB play is all I want.

Hell, bama has had four 10 win seasons in the last ten years while going through five coaches and we've only had two.

9:58 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

What was Pat Dye's record before he came to Auburn. He was only at Wyoming one year before he came. But I seem to recall, he record was not that gaudy.

9:58 PM  
Blogger JgobravesHAG said...

auburn.rivals.com says we have 9 canidates on the list anyone suscribe and know these names?

9:58 PM  
Blogger tigerfan44 said...

The riverboat gambler pulled a straight on the river card when AU was all in.
Front page material WTC. Nice Job.

9:59 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

I thought we had at least 3 ten win seasons

9:59 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Only 2 under Tubs that I recall Denny.

10:02 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

What then are the personal problems that Herbstreit mentions but won't go into.

My earlier point about Dye was that we need to find a good fit for Auburn. He wasn't the flashiest coach out there, but he was a great fit.

10:02 PM  
Blogger Bulldog354 said...

I was under the impression that Petrino can't be hired by another SEC team for a period of time. JOX had his attorney on earlier today who stated this.

I like Leach...and won't really be satisfied with anything else barring some crazy turn of events ala a Saban type hire out of no where.

Leach has a unique personality that I actually see working for Auburn.

He has inroads with Texas recruiting so I would imagine we could actually find decent QB's and pass protection going forward.

Maybe some bluechip TTech recruits and the ability to salvage our spread recruits for this year.

He runs the spread well, knows how to recruit the spread, knows how to hire for the spread. If you were ever a fan of this concept for Auburn (and all of us were at this time last year) then this guy makes sense.

10:03 PM  
Blogger Curtime said...

Denny,

Pat Dye coached at East Carolina from '74-'79 w/ a record of 48-18-1

He had a 6-5 record his only year at Wyoming, 1980.

10:03 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Herbie has personal problems? You mean other than being an OSU Homer?

10:03 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

Denny, 13-0 in 2004 and 11-2 in 2006 are the only ones I believe we have had.

10:04 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

I stand corrected.

10:08 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Denny,

If a guy comes in and consistently puts up 10 wins or more, and doesn't cheat like the devil to do it, I promise he will fit just fine. I think the whole "fit with AU" thing is overblown. I mean, Tuberville fit, well, at least until he put up that goose egg in T-town, right?

10:09 PM  
Blogger shesaid said...

I'm a man! I'm 40!

10:10 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

Bulldog,

I like the idea of Leach. I just don't want to see our defense go downhill (not saying it would but Leach is not the defensive mastermind we've had recently).

I really wish we would make a solid push for Butch Davis. I know it's a longshot but he could go head to head in recruting with Meyers, Richt and Saban and maybe pull in these playmakers xCTT keeps saying we don't have and he does it the RIGHT way.

10:11 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

You're a man? Wow, I missed that one bad.

No, really, I'd take Gundy, but I don't think T. Boone is going to let him go. We have money, but not like that.

10:11 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

So Dye was an 8-3 coach at ECU, hardly a football powerhouse, and so so at Wyoming. But he did wondrous things at AUburn because it was the right situation. The man and hour came together. He was an established HC.

10:11 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

I believe Herb is trying to leave out the marital problem rumor that is flying around Auburn. I think that is a good call on his part because that is a personal issue, if it is true, which I think is not.

10:13 PM  
Blogger JgobravesHAG said...

shoot i'd take gundy as well now that i think about it

10:14 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

There were a lot of people that didn't like CTT and I didn't get it. Truly, fans didn't ride the fence with him. I liked him, but I know and heard others that just didn't like him/ Why, I have no idea. Looking back at his record, I previously stated that things had been downhill since 2004. I disagree, 11-2 in 06 is something I forgot. I think 36 to nil was going to cost Tuberville more than he was willing to give up and so he said screw it.

10:15 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

He did great things at AU. But that was a different time and, in some senses, a different place. I spent most my life in Auburn, it's not the place it was 25 years ago. College football is also not what it was then.

I could be misinterpreting what you are saying. I read you to say someone who fits with the community, a "southerner" who talks the talk and walks the walk. A good ole boy, so to speak, like Dye. Am I off there?

10:15 PM  
Blogger Curtime said...

Denny,

I agree 100%. There are lots of examples of where the "right fit" was the best thing, whether the fan base agreed at first or not. Look at LSU and "The Hat." As I recall, LSU fans were more than a little concerned about the guy from OSU. But, other than this year, he's been a great fit. Richt too, granted he wasn't established when he got the job.

10:17 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

He did above = Dye

10:17 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

I don't care about marital problems. Don't want a football coach like UKs current basketball coach though, single and chasing women half his age. I think at Auburn is reasonable to expect that a bad year is 8-4. 9 or 10 wins in a twelve game schedule with a school like Auburn should be the goal every year with NO BLOWOUTS late in the season. I think what hurt CTT even during 9 win seasons were the blowout losses that no one expected.

10:19 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

The Hat and Richt have been WINNING "up until this year" which is why they seem to be a great fit. It all about the W's boys and girls (unless you're cheating to get em, in which case you should be kicked to the curb immediately - can't stand cheaters and liars).

10:19 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Time to share the computer. Catch you guys later. Don't go hiring a coach while I'm gone.

10:21 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

No. Doesn't have to be a southerner, but needs to be no nonsense and not play games with the public. Dye was a good fit then, don't need Dye now, we just need a good fit for Auburn in 2009, whatever that is. I am not for sure, but I know what it is not, it is not Bobby Petrino. Auburn people like loyalty, CTT played coy games through his agent or allowed his agent to play coy games. Auburn is a destination job, not a stepping stone. That is what I guess I am trying to say. Coaches should want to come to Auburn to reach the pinnacle of their career.

10:23 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

The biggest factor was the declining number of SEC wins since 2004:

2004 - 9
2005 - 7
2006 - 6
2007 - 5
2008 - 2

There's definately a trend there. The 2006 season at 11-2 was a good one if it weren't for the unexpected 27-10 loss to arkie that kept us out of ATL.

10:23 PM  
Blogger AU23WDE! said...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=3743358

Maisel nailed it with this article. This was a big mistake... in my opinion.

10:23 PM  
Blogger Bulldog354 said...

Josh,

I really like Defensive minded clubs myself. I like 17-10 football scores just as much as the next guy. However, I just think that Auburn has to differentiate itself somehow from the other schools in the conference at this point.

If we can't get a Rock Star coach to come to Auburn. Then switching gears (going with the spread)and grabbing talent that the other schools are passing up is still a viable argument in my book.

I look to Florida as the model. Florida sucked for years before Urban Meyers came in and within two years he is running a dynasty. Yes, detractors will say what would they look like without Tebow, but Chris Leak looked great that last year too.

I love AU tradition, defense and running but I just don't know if we can compete on the same level recruiting/talent wise under that ideal anymore.

Thoughts?

10:24 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Denny, I agree. I just think that is what Herbstriet was referring to when he mentioned personal problems.

10:24 PM  
Blogger KJtiger said...

All the national press are going to beat up on AU. That is what sells papers. If we make a good hire then now one will remember that CTT resigned and it was a mistake. Look at UA, 2 yrs ago all ove Ua and saban now he is the greatest thing since slice bread. Win and all is forgotten.

10:27 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

This search will be hot like cinnamon.

10:28 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

Josh,

Very telling stat indeed. Can't be ignored.

10:28 PM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

winning is the magic poltice.

10:29 PM  
Blogger Bulldog354 said...

Great! Now I have a craving for Cindy's

10:31 PM  
Blogger tigerfan44 said...

This search will be hot like cinnamon.
Where do come up with this stuff.

10:32 PM  
Blogger Josh_Moon said...

I'm hearing either Pat Dye or Vince Dooley. Anyone else?

10:32 PM  
Blogger JgobravesHAG said...

Joe Schad just named these canidates:
-Mike Leach
-Petrino
-Tulsa head coach
-Tcu Head coach
-Jimbo Fisher
-Will muschamp

10:33 PM  
Blogger tigerfan44 said...

you

10:33 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Jay, are you saying they were leaning toward keeping Tuberville until today? That is what I read into you post, but I may have been reading too much into it.

10:33 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Jay-you think the Tulsa guy is a legit candidate?

10:34 PM  
Blogger AU23WDE! said...

petrino is a no go, because in his contract with Arkansas it states that if he leaves the school, he can not go coach at another school in the SEC west.

10:35 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Just say no to Petrino of Muschamp!!! I would be willing to consider Jimbo Fischer, but it is only because I like saying the name Jimbo.

10:35 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Steve, not only were they leaning, they thought they had their coach for 2009 through 2013.

10:36 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Denny,

I agree. No Petrino, AU no stepping stone, No game playing.

10:37 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

If we hire the coach at Tulsa or TCU then I don't see why we fired Tuberville.

I wanted Tuberville to go, but I was hoping our athletic department would have enough sense to make sure they had a better candidate before they fired him. Like Brian Kelly or Butch Davis.

10:38 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

Bulldog,

I have to agree with you. I'm sure Leach could pull in some of those top skill players we continue to miss out on year after year that maybe bama or UGA aren't recruiting. He could also properly develope our QB's and WR's which is one of our major shortcomings lately.

My only hope is that he would bring in a solid DC where we wouldn't have that drop-off defensively and maybe keep Coach Willis. I believe UF's defense has been a big factor in their improvement this year over last year.

10:40 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

barkley, you know they won't be able to get a big name coach when we fired a big name coach that had been very successful. That doesn't make much sense. No big name coach will chance being the next victim.

10:42 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Goldberg is reporting that Scarbinsky has Derek Dooley, Jimbo Fisher, Will Muschamp, Petrino and Mike Leach.

Then says Muschamp and Petrino are probably a no.

What do you think?

10:43 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

I agree Barkely. No to TCU and Tulsa. Tulsa's record is pretty but they feast on weak stuff all year. Only game against BCS conference opponent (I think) was against Arkansas and they lost.

10:43 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Dooley and Fisher are likely possibilities, but Dooley would be more likely.

10:45 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

NO PETRINO! I can't even believe they contacted him. I understand he has some powerful friends in AU but jeez.

10:46 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Steve,

We can get whoever we're willing to pay for. This is a job at a top tier SEC school. Best conference in the nation (don't give me that Big 12 crap either) and a school that, hopefully, will do what it takes to promote a winning environment (good facilities, good fan base, etc.) Any coach would be crazy not to talk to them.

10:46 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Interesting List

10:47 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

I just can't decide about Leach. Someone convince me one way or the other.

10:50 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

AUTiger3, read up a bit about the SEC and how coaches aren't wanting to be tied to it. Auburn had a huge embarrassment today and has hurt itself significantly. The media hasn't forget our last bonehead move. The Auburn job wouldn't have been attractive to a high profile coach before they bungled the firing. Now it will be very tough. No big name coach will come here when we gave a guy a long term contract, a heavy buyout, and fired him when he had his first bad season. Auburn look very much like Bama did before they got Saban. The only way we will get a major hire is to set new records in terms of coaching salary.

10:51 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

This isn't to say we couldn't end up with a coach better than Tuberville. It just means that to do so we will have to take a chance on a lesser known guy.

10:52 PM  
Blogger John Stubbs said...

I'm down with Derek Dooley. I think he would be a great hire from what I've read.

10:54 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Steve, sometimes a change is needed. I think most coaches know the business and know that a 5-7 season isn't successful. He has success at Auburn but he didn't have the fire anymore. It was time for a change.

I think plenty of big name coaches will give Auburn a look. Coaching in the SEC is attractive in itself, and coaching at one of the top SEC schools has to be even more attractive.

10:54 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

barkley, it may have been possible before they botched the firing, but it still wasn't likely. One bad season shouldn't cost a long term coach his job, especially one of the winningest coaches in the SEC. Watch ESPN. You will see the message we have sent.

10:56 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Steve,

As I said, we can get whoever we are willing to pay for. I still think, compared to a whole lot of other jobs around the country, this one isn't bad.

However, if it is really perceived to be that poisonous of an environment, maybe that's more reason to go after someone like Peterson, for whom this would be a really big step up.

10:57 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

How was today a huge embarrassment for Auburn?

I thought this was a business. People get fired sometimes. It makes it more difficult to watch when it's public, but it happens.

People all over the country are getting laid off who aren't performing below average AND they don't get to walk away with a cool 6 mil. That's the people who we should feel sorry for.

I wish Tubs the best and he is a likeable person, but I don't really feel sorry for him right now, or feel embarrassed for the university.

10:59 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

AUTiger3, I do think there is a lot of merit to going after someone like Peterson. Coaches such as that don't have nearly as much to loose and the Auburn money will be very attractive.

The other opportunity would be to go after an older coach that would be looking to retire in 5 or 6 years. There are probably some out there, although none come to mind at the moment.

11:00 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

The thing is, this was more than one bad season. I was disappointed last year when we lost to South Florida, who we should have beat. I was disappointed the year before when we should have been in the BCS.

This was more than one year.

11:01 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

barkley, I don't feel bad for Tuberville at all. Auburn is the one the screwed themselves this time. Tuberville made out like a bandit.

11:01 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

AUTiger3,

I'm not 100% sold on Leach right now either but he is a hot topic and very well known right now especially after this year. His name alone would attract some top WR's I would assume. Recruitng surely wouldn't be worse under him. Imgaine what he could do with Trotter, Cotton and possibly Burns.

His success at TT has come with mostly 3 star and the occasional 4 star recruits. I don't put too much in star rankings but most 4 and 5 star recruits seem to pan out for the most part. With the talent pool here in the south and his Texas connections our Offense would have to improve. I need some convincing, too :)

11:01 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Hey guys, AU didn't fire him. He resigned. Maybe semantics but there is a difference. I just think they were not ready for him to call their bluff. If they were, an anouncement would be made soon. One may be made soon anyway, but it doesn't seem likely if they have no one in the fold.

11:03 PM  
Blogger JasonBourne said...

Change for the sake of change. A popular theme this year (not just in AU football).

Careful what you wish for.

11:03 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

I don't think most top notch coaches care one lick what ESPN says. I think they want to feed their egos and there is not much of a better place for that than the SEC, if they can win. The best want to prove themselves against the best. Look at the coaches already in this conference. You think there aren't some top folks that would want to join that group. I disagree.

11:03 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

South Florida was an excellent team at the time we played them last season. They had a Heisman trophy quality QB and eventually were ranked as high as number two. They fell off late in the season because of depth issues, but they were a very good team.

If 9 wins disappoint you, then I think you will be disappointed, definitely next season, and likely for the next 3 or 4 seasons. You must have already seen that or most high profile recruits are jumping ship.

11:04 PM  
Blogger Bulldog354 said...

The comment from Tubs regarding staying in Auburn and being a part of the university in some capacity may ease a lot of the media negativity if he speaks out against it.

The media (in general Jay) eats up everything he has said as gospel for years now.

11:04 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

AUTiger3, I think some coaches have already said it. I know it has been mentioned in articles. It is why Butch Davis will not come to the SEC. We shall see how it goes, but it will end up being just like what happened with Bama. We will have to redefine the highest paid coach in college football to get a big name coach. That would likely mean spending somewhere between 4.5 and 5 million a year.

11:06 PM  
Blogger Josh_Moon said...

To say this wasn't a good thing for the AU program assumes two things: First, that Auburn can't get a better coach, and second, that the fracture between Tuberville and several of the big boosters would ever be healed.
No. 2 was never gonna happen. Tuberville didn't want it. The boosters didn't want it. And it was always gonna be a huge problem. It was better for everyone to just get it over with and move on.
And they absolutely can find someone better than Tuberville. He was a good guy and was respected by high school coaches in the state, but I think everyone got a good look at just how much that meant last year, when a guy with a little passion and hard work rolled in and controlled the whole state. In his SECOND year.

11:07 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Leach could do well at AU. Name is on TV a lot and kids have heard of him. They surely like his offense. If he brings in a good DC, or keeps Rhoades, or hires the Tenn DC (Tenn had #4 ranked D in nation with a 5-7 team)he will fit in well.

11:08 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Bulldog354, you make a very valid point that may matter. How Tuberville reacts to this could really change things. We will just have to wait and see, but there is potential for good things to happen if Tuberville is really a happy camper.

11:08 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

So who you hearing about as a replacement JMoon?

11:10 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

Steve,

Do you feel one SEC title in 10 years and a decline in SEC wins every year since 04 with no sign of improvement is successful and the direction the AU program should be headed?

With LSU going through coaching changes and bama down and burning through coaches, too, we should have been in ATL at least two more times in the last few years.

It's not just one bad season, it's the body of work as a whole. I love CTT and supported him every year but a change was needed. JMHO :)

11:10 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

wtc, I consider Leach a possibility because I think he makes around 1.7 Million at Texas Tech and we could very easily double that. The drawback with him may be ties to Franklin.

11:10 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

A heisman quality QB? I hope you aren't talking about Matt Grothe. If so, put down the Keystone for the night. You won't ever see him in New York.

I didn't say change for the sake of change. I just said change is good sometimes, especially when it looks like a coach is burnt out as it did this year.

We were 5-7 guys. We didn't bounce back from 10-2 or 11-1 to go 5-7. We shot ourselves in the foot the year before as well.

11:10 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

I think my problem with Leach is that I'm soured on the spread after the whole experiment this year. I'd almost rather go the other way and get Johnson from GT. That O looked impressive last couple times out.

11:11 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Not sure that is a drawback. Maybe with fans, but as you see the Athletic dept doesn't care what the fans want. I think they know that offense can work if you have the players and since he certainly knows the offense, he should be able to get the recruits. As long as he doesn't hire TF I think everyone can be happy.

11:12 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

I know a lot of Big 12 teams are putting up big numbers with it, but I'll bet you right now UA or UF shuts it down in the NC game, regardless of which Big 12 team is running it.

11:13 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Josh in Leeds, explain to me how we could have had more wins than in 2004 and I will consider the rest. 2005 - 9 wins, 2006 - 11 wins, 2007 - 9 wins. Those are good seasons considering the quality of opponents. Georgia had an off year last year. Florida had its off year too. LSU is having an off year. I happens. Tuberville took a chance to get us to the next level and it didn't work out. That point is no longer worth arguing. The deed has been done and can never been undone. The question now is how to handle the damage from it.

11:13 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Well Josh, if you listen to the people on here, you'll be convinced we should just hire Rush Propst.

I think Auburn can do better as well, and I don't think Tuberville was a bad coach. I want someone with some fire though, look at what the guy across state is doing right now. Tubs doesn't have that.

11:14 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

AUTiger3, I agree. If the SEC Champ plays Oklahoma or Texas Tech, they would destroy them. Texas might have a better shot, but those offenses won't put up those ungodly numbers against an SEC defense. It is very likely that Oklahoma becomes the next Ohio State.

11:15 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

I was pumped about the spread. It works well and can be a great offense. It just depends on how it is implemented. We tried to trim up the linemen (Ziemba needs afew biscuits) while Leach has linemen that are 300+lbs. So it can be run with big uglies up front.

11:15 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Oh Yeah, the other problem with Leach - the 60 he gave up to OK. That was UGLY boys, real ugly.

I know there are a lot of positives, and everyone can have a bad game, but you gotta play D to win this conference.

11:15 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Barkley,

Rush Probst. That's funny man. Great stuff.

11:17 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I have seen the fire in Tuberville, but it is pretty meaningless now. The future is what is important.

Propst would be ridiculous. At a minimum we should get a coach with head coaching experience at the major college level. People wanting us to take a chance on Muschamp of Fisher learning on the job are not giving us much of an opportunity to succeed.

Finding an up an coming coach like Skip Holtz or Derek Dooley would be a much better choice.

11:18 PM  
Blogger JasonBourne said...

We somehow at the same time have an unjustified inferiority complex and an unrealistically high self opinion.

First, this reaks of "Bammer's good again! We've got to do something!" Why must we take such rash action after UAT has one outstanding year? We saw what happened to them when they went down the coaching carousel path. To expect to find another Saban who will bring us out of the dregs in a season or two is delusional. That is not a normal course of events.

To the second part of the theory, CTT was one of the most successful coaches we've had. He without question made a huge blunder with the Franklin hiring/firing. Since when are we that prestigious of a program that our coach isn't given room to correct his mistake? This was used as an opportunity by certain elements that have had it out for him.

What a poor reflection on the behind the scenes workings of our program.

11:18 PM  
Blogger Josh_Moon said...

Who am I hearing? Same as everyone else, except for one name.

Houston Nutt has absolutely talked to some people about the job and I think he's a far more serious candidate than Petrino.

In fact, I don't buy the Petrino stuff for a second. There might have been some talks weeks ago, but I don't think they were serious.

11:19 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Maybe they shut them down becasue they (offense) is not used to playing a defense with so much speed as in the SEC. If that is the case, it doesn't mean the spread will not work in the SEC, you just have to be able to run it against a better defense, which you will play each week. Big 12 teams don't play against them so they are not used to them.

11:19 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Leach might be a possibility. A lot will also depend upon what a new head coach does in terms of coaches. We need to try to keep some coaches, especially on defense. I like all of our position coaches on defense.

As for offense, finding some way for Knox to be involved with recruiting but not coaching would be cool.

Having Gran and Nall remain wouldn't be bad.

I don't see any benefit in having Ensminger remain.

11:20 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

I really like Brian Kelly, he's been a winner everywhere he's been, including winning the DII national title at Grand Valley State. I know he said he wants to stay at Cincy, but money talks.

11:21 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

wtc, I think you are correct. Actually, I am not as much a believer in offensive schemes as I am a believer in good coaching. Coaches that teach their players to make very few mistakes win.

11:21 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Barkley, Kelly might be a possibility too. I can see a guy like that wanting to get to the next level.

11:23 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

Nutt would leave Ole Miss after one year? Can he do that? Does he have a buyout?

I never thought Petrino was for real. Too much money needed there, plus if someone offered more he would leave again.

11:23 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Houston Nutt has the same problem Tubs did. He tends to shoot himself in the foot every year by losing to some team he shouldn't lose to, then he makes up for it later pulling a big upset.

11:23 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

I would love Nutt. I just like the guy. Ole Miss folks would be pissed at that, buy hey, that's what you get for being in Mississippi.

11:23 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Good point about Nutt, Barkley. But I still like the guy. Don't really even know why, just like him.

11:24 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Josh, I would absolutely love Houston Nutt. Just the humor in swiping another Ole Miss head coach would be great, but he also was always able to play Tuberville tough. Actually, out of SEC coaches, Nutt probably gave Tuberville more trouble than anyone.

11:24 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

I think Kelley is a non-starter. He is sending too many signals to leave him alone. Almost made a pinebox statement today.

11:25 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I would forget about Petrino. I seriously doubt that anyone would consider him. There are a lot of fans that don't like him and I am sure there are people at Auburn that don't either.

11:26 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Josh M, who do you think Auburn should be going after?

Do you like Butch Davis or Brian Kelly?

11:26 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Nutt's a likeable guy...That's another thing he has in common with Tuberville. He would probably be able to recruit well at Auburn.

11:27 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

The folks at Arky were stupid to run him off. I mean really, who in their right mind runs a good coach out of town like that...

11:29 PM  
Blogger Josh_Moon said...

If I'm running the show, I'm going after Butch Davis and I'd offer him a Saban-like deal to get it done. I think he's the only guy who could instantly get everyone back on the same page and who could compete straight up with Saban for recruits on the first day.

If you can't get him, I'll take Johnson, Leach or Petersen -- in that order.

11:30 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Nice list Josh. I'd move Petersen in front Leach but that's a great list of names. I'd be happy with any one of those guys.

11:32 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Butch Davis would be awesome, don't know if he would leave Chapel Hill.

Do you know if we've even made contact with him?

11:35 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Auburn only lost by 7 to Xavier tonight....That's not too bad.

11:36 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I think Butch Davis would be hard to get. If they offered him something comparable to Saban, it is possible, but Chapel Hill is a wonderful place to coach.

11:40 PM  
Blogger Josh_Moon said...

I am almost 100 percent certain that Davis has been contacted ... several times. The problem is, I think he continues to give the same answer.

As for Nutt, I don't care if the guy comes for free. I ain't hiring him. I ain't even talking to him. He can take his shady, sticks-and-rocks offense elsewhere. I mean, any dude who can screw up Felix Jones and Darren McFadden has shown me enough.

Also, you're probably right about swapping Leach and Petersen. I'm not completely convinced Leach would work at AU, simply because I don't think he'd be given the time necessary to get that offense up and running.

11:43 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Leach at AU might be a lot like RichRod at Michigan. Real ugly for a year or so. I think you're right about the time thing.

I think the tension between Nutt and Malzahn screwed up McFadden and Jones. I don't think you can blame that solely on Nutt. Again, it would be a lateral move, not a step up, but I still like the guy, which is different than wanting him here. In fact, I think I might like to pull for him more at Ole Miss.

11:46 PM  
Blogger Josh_Moon said...

You can like Davis or hate him, want him or not, but could everyone please stop saying that he won't leave North Carolina because it's "the perfect place to coach"? Because it's not.

No coach with the ego of a Saban or a Davis wants to be somewhere where there's no pressure and they're playing second fiddle to another sport. So, you can discount the thinking that NC is a perfect place to coach.

Now, the one thing that might hold Davis there is that there is a very good cancer center in the area. But I've also heard that his cancer has been in remission for some time and his prognosis is very good. So, that might not matter, either.

11:49 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Head to Chapel Hill, show him the cash and tell him you're not leaving without him. That's probably what Mal Moore did.

11:49 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

I don't think it's the perfect place to coach, but it probably helps in recruiting and he's also in an easy conference. Right now he has the 7th rated class in the country.

It would be easier to get to a BCS bowl year in and year out at UNC.

But like you said, you're always going to come second to basketball.

11:52 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Not necessarily easier to get to a BCS bowl. You have to win the conference in the ACC. A strong 2nd gets you a BCS game in the SEC. Also, better shot at NC game in the SEC even with a loss. One loss in the ACC and your toast (at least as it stands right now).

11:55 PM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

Steve,

I'm not trying to flame, just wanted to let you know my man :)

We couldn't have possibly won more games in 2004 but we could have played more aggressively on O and not sat on every lead we had. I'm not saying that would have put us in the title game but it certainly wouldn't have hurt if we had a couple more dominate wins.

05, 06, and 07 were not bad years at all but again, no trips to ATL. That should be our goal every year, to at least make it to ATL.

Since you brought up LSU, UF, and UGA...

LSU has 2 NC's in the last 6 years, UF has 1 NC and will probably play for another one this year.

And UGA's down year last year consisted of 10 wins and they may very well have another 10 win season this year making that six 10 win seasons since 02- they also have one more SEC title in the last few years than we do.

Go ahead and throw bama in there since they have the same number of SEC titles we do in the last 10 years and three 10 win seasons (1 more than us) despite all of the coaching changes.

I don't kow about you but i feel like AU is on the same level as these programs but our stats just don't match up ( SEC and NC titles).

I feel like we have given CTT a fair shot but it's time for a change. I believe we can bring in a proven coach but I agree with you....it's over now so there's no use in arguing. Here's to the future and success of the AU football program!

11:56 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

you're, not your

11:56 PM  
Blogger barkley for governor said...

Yeah, but the ACC is weak. I mean look at this year...Boston College or VA Tech will be playing in the BCS and they're both below average teams this year.

11:57 PM  
Blogger michael said...

Deadspin said Peterson is a scientologist. If that is true, he certainly wouldn't fly in the south. But who knows.

11:58 PM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

Exactly, the ACC is weak. If I were a top notch coach, I'd want to show my stuff in a top notch conference. Who wants to be the best pitcher or home run king in the minors? Doesn't really mean much.

12:01 AM  
Blogger Josh in Leeds said...

I think we should dangle about 3.5 million in front of Davis. Surely he would like to come to AU and rival Saban.

12:04 AM  
Blogger WRB3 said...

If he wins 10 to 12 games a year, beats the scourge up north, and brings home some hardware, half the state will be scientologist along with him.

12:04 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Josh, my guess is you would have to make it around 4.5 Million to get Davis' attention.

12:54 AM  
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