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12.10.2009

Kiffin in trouble? Don't count on it

Hey everyone. As you've heard, the NCAA is conducting an investigation of sorts into Tennessee's "Orange Pride" athletic hostesses.

I penned a little column about this very subject in Thursday's editions. (That column also delves ever so slightly into Tommy Tuberville's situation.)

Anyway, I don't see this Orange Pride thing becoming a huge deal. The school will portray these gals as rogues, operating at the behest of nobody but themselves, and sell them out in a way only Linda Tripp could appreciate.

This will be at least the seventh secondary recruiting violation incurred under Kiffin's watch. Sounds like a lot? It really is.

Still, he won't get busted. Not this time.

Photo credit: AP Photo/Wade Payne

Questions? Comments? Post directly to the blog below or email me at jgtate@gannett.com.

140 Comments:

Blogger Dear Leader said...

substance

1:26 PM  
Blogger Dear Leader said...

Cheaters never prosper...

1:26 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Unless you're John Calipari.

Woooooo.

1:27 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

If ya ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin.

1:27 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

ha@Calipari

1:27 PM  
Blogger scottie burns said...

6TH ROUND SUBSTANCE.

1:28 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Who is national coach of the year?

I have to vote on that.

TCU? Cincinnati?

1:28 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

also, ha@lindatripp

1:28 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

When is your vote due?

1:30 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Tomorrow, I think?

1:30 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Wifey says that award has to go to a coach who wasn't expected to be good.

I said: ``So you'd never give it to Urban Meyer."

No hesitation.

"Nope. Never. He's supposed to be good."

Makes no sense to me, but OK.

1:31 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

National Coach of the Year is Edsall in my book (well, I don't have a physical book, but I have a mental one). He held that team, that campus, and that town together after the tragic death of #6, Jasper Howard. He should be commended for his heroics in such a crazy situation. Saban couldn't have done it. Meyer couldn't have done it. He's a great man, and a great coach.

1:31 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

That's an interesting idea.

1:33 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

also, average margin of defeat in 5 loses is 3 points (none more than 5) to pretty good teams (Cincy,Pitt,UNC, and WVU...plus a not so good Rutgers). This guy is coaching up the mediocre talent he's got to play tight in tough games.

1:36 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Excellent work, DL

...and you, too, JGT!

1:37 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I think Notre Dame is using him, but he makes so much sense there. With the talent CHarlie Weis had this year, Edsall wins no less than 10 games (his defense would be much better).He's a standup human who understands standards, makes men of his players, and seems to be a really good coach. I'm a fan.

1:38 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Gary Patterson would get my vote, not surprisingly

1:39 PM  
Blogger Eddie said...

I'd say Brian Kelly for coach of the year. Honorable mention to Peter's idea.

1:40 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Screw Honorable mention. He's the only Honorable one out of the lot of them (big sweeping generalization added for effect- don't argue that point, I know it's not correct).

1:42 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I need to write up a campaign and hit the blogs hard. Didn't realize I had an opinion until just now when Jay G mentioned it.

1:42 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I'm guessing Paul Wulff is not on your short list, JGT?

1:43 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Jay G,

Don't you know you aren't supposed to mention our previous coaches name anymore?

1:44 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I didn't know that was a rule.

1:47 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

JayG, concerning Calipari...

Do you think that Cal keeps Memphis' and UMASS' Final Four banters in his closet somewhere since they can no longer be hung in their respective arenas?

Is he saving a spot for Kentucky?

1:47 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Yeah, it was a rule that we invoked yesterday I believe.

1:50 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

So over/under on when the NCAA comes to visit Kentucky basketball.

I say by the start of season 3 of Calipari.

1:51 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Better mustache:

Schnellenberger or Wannstedt?

1:51 PM  
Blogger scottie burns said...

Schnell fo shizzle PF.

1:53 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

RK...I'm thinking along the lines of 3-4 seasons myself as far as Kentucky and probation.

PF...I'll go with Schnellenberger, mainly because of the pipe. It's unstoppable.

1:54 PM  
Blogger mytommyd said...

Coach of the year: Bobby Hauck

1:57 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

It's a difficult choice for me.

Schnelli's got that well groomed, thick, pushbroom thing going that's maintained even since turning snow white. It's manly and you don't want to mess with him because of it.

Wannstache's is out of control and all over the place. It's got character. In fact, it may not be part of him at all. It has potential to be a puppet that took up residence on his face years ago that he just maintains because it won't go away.

If they were being judged, they'd be in different categories. Like working breeds and terriers. There would have to be decision on which is best in show, though. I'll go with Schnelli's, because Beverly loves it, and she wears white mink.

1:59 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Plus, he looks like Hemingway's doppelganger in the picture. Got to respect that.

I wonder if he reads "Death in the Afternoon" to his team before every game?

2:02 PM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

I will give Schnellenberger the mustache award if he sends his 1983championship ring (which is probably the one that shows up in that picture) to its rightful ownner, Pat Dye.

2:04 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

As for Kiffikin, this isn't a killer for him, although I do think it could really hurt their recruiting. The timing of the NCAA is poor for them.

As for Tuberville, I read in a South Bend paper this morning an article that basically said why not Tommy Tuberville. It was interesting because it included quotes from Tuberville on what he thought it would take to win at Notre Dame.

Personally, if I am Notre Dame, I am going after the head coach at one of the undefeated teams this season such as Cincy, TCU, or Boise State. It is easier to justify that hire.

2:04 PM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

^ One more space, one less "n".

2:06 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

The Schnell in a landslide.

2:07 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

I don't like admitting it, but any coach that leads his team to consecutive undefeated SEC regular seasons deserves consideration.

2:08 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

Or you could go the laugh rout and vote for Les Miles.

2:10 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Et tu Steve? Et tu?

2:11 PM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

Vote for Best Beard:

Beard 1

Beard 2

2:14 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

How will Turner Gill do in the voting for coach of the year?

I mean he's the guy we should have hired, right?

2:14 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

Yea, I am afraid so. On the plus side, if I were interviewing Les Miles the first question would be "so, how have you managed to keep from getting fired"?

2:15 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Not that he'd be Amanda Beard, but what about Frank Beard from ZZ Top...also known as the only guy in the band without a beard?

2:15 PM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

I considered adding him as a third choice, WERK.

2:16 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

Yea, I am with you. I give Frank a vote just on the ironic irony he provides.

2:16 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Take it from a man with a beard. Beard 2 is the way to go.

2:17 PM  
Blogger scottie burns said...

Tommy Hanson for the Braves sat behind me at the Iron Bowl. he's got a beard. i vote for him.

2:18 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

As for Kiffikin, I don't see him in the hot seat. He is setting pretty even with the controversy. Now, a loosing season next year would change the story, but if they show improvement, he should be safe regardless of what the NCAA does.

2:18 PM  
Blogger michael said...

I can't grow a beard.

(I think there is a funny dirty line I could follow that sentence pertaining to another "Beard" linked to earlier, but since I am a man of good moral fiber, I will abstain)

2:19 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

As an aside, if Kiffikin was hit by a car tomorrow, in his press conference from the hospital he would say that it is okay and it was only part of the plan to draw attention to Tennessee.

2:20 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

I chose to abstain as well Michael.

So it goes.

2:22 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

long drive home starts early! Later, Ha Tees

2:23 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

People are unfamiliar with Kiffikin's film work. He played a knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail.

"It is only a flesh wound".

2:25 PM  
Blogger Wakeriderof87 said...

I am a big fan of beards... I feel every man should have one if he can, and should be pointed at and laughed if he can. Unfortunately I chose a career that generally does not allow them.

2:27 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

I don't believe in shaving. A full beard works for me.

2:29 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

To borrow from Clay Travis's lexicon, I'm a BGID (Beard Gettin' It Done").

2:29 PM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

Latest update from whiskeredtrophy.com (adjusted for regional bias):

Amanda Beard 2 votes
Jeff Beard 0 votes and condemned arena
Frank Beard 2 write-in votes
Tommy Hanson 1 write-in vote
MJT 1 vote against himself
1 vote for beards in general.

Projected winner - Mark Ingram with 0 votes (stupid REC)

2:32 PM  
Blogger Wakeriderof87 said...

I have Amanda on my ballot.

2:34 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Steve,

I think you should give all 12 SEC head coaches nicknames.

Right now we have

Kiffikin
OleNutt

2:43 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

I would probably say that Chip Kelly is the NCAA coach of the year. They lose early on the opening week of the season to Boise St. He loses a significant portion of what he had schemed for offensively in his first year as a Head Coach when Legerrit Blount goes Ron Artest on the Boise football field. He takes down the all might Pete Carroll the king of west coast football on his way to winning the Pac 10 for the first time since 1994. Pretty impressive to me for a first year coach!

2:45 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

I vote for Urban Creyer at UF cause man that guys is a whiner!

2:48 PM  
Blogger Wakeriderof87 said...

I'm with JD.

And can we make Meyer's nickname Hypocritical POS, or HPOS for short?

2:48 PM  
Blogger Wakeriderof87 said...

I meant I agree with JD on Chip Kelly? Although Urban Cryer is a close second to my idea.

2:49 PM  
Blogger Wakeriderof87 said...

And I have no clue why I included a question mark in that last post... been a weird day.

3:02 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

I would vote for Chuck Norris for the greatest beard award.

There is no chin behind Chuck Norris' beard...only another fist

Oswald shot, Chuck Norris met all three bullets with his beard, deflecting them. JFK's head exploded out of sheer amazement.

and in honor of the Christmas Season...

Chuck Norris was the fourth Wiseman. He brought baby Jesus the gift of “beard”. Jesus wore it proudly to his dying day. The other Wisemen, jealous of Jesus’ obvious gift favoritism, used their combined influence to have Chuck omitted from the Bible. Shortly after all three died of roundhouse kick related deaths.

3:02 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Chuck Norris does not go hunting because the word "hunting" suggests a chance of failure.

Chuck Norris goes killing.

3:05 PM  
Blogger scottie burns said...

i saw a Chuck Norris daily calendar the other day at Target. hilarious.

3:09 PM  
Blogger Mullets=Bammers said...

Anyone think the timing of the UT HO!!stesssssssesssess news and the defection of a couple..and counting...assistants is odd?

3:11 PM  
Blogger Mullets=Bammers said...

Chuck Norris can sneeze with his eyes open!!

3:15 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Chuck Norris uses roundhouse kicks to kill threads.

3:37 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

Coach of the Year:

1. Trooper Taylor
2. Howard Schnellenberger
3. Gary Patterson
4. Brian Kelly
5. Layla Kiffin

3:46 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

As I've said before, if you ain't secondarily violatin', you ain't 'cruitin'.

3:48 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

I'm with Steve..

Two undefeated SEC regular seasons in a row should count for something.

Saban for coach of the year.

3:49 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

My real vote:

1. B. Kelly (lost his QB, presumed to be taking another job and kept it together)
2. Saban (held serve ... started near the top and stayed there)
3. Edsall (had they won one of those near-misses, I'd put him No. 1)
4. Patterson (probably the most underappreciated coach -- understand he didn't have a great interview with AU)

3:56 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Jet:

I've seen a few interviews with Patterson.. I can understand why he wouldn't interview well..

However, I can't imagine Pat Dye interviewing well either. Interviews are overrated in football.

3:57 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

Is it just me or is there something very almost dirty feeling about Brian Kelly? I don't know why I just really get that feeling from him.

Then again, it could just be the stadium that the Natty plays at. I've always heard Nippert Stadium is one of the the worst facilities in the country.

3:59 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

Does Pat Dye ask if there will be George Dickel at an interview?

4:00 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

FSJ ...

One on one, Pat Dye is awesome. When he was in his early 40s, his eyes were like sharks with frickin' laser beams on top.

4:00 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

I agree JD..

Kelly is a good coach, but there is something that's not right...

4:01 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

JD...I'm with you on Kelly. Something about that guy just doesn't jive with me. Can't quite put my finger on it.

4:02 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

FSJ...

great minds...

4:03 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

Well I am glad that I am not the only one. I was feeling really bad for a while about it. It is almost that "Used Car Salemsan" feeling I get from him.

4:03 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Jet:

I'm sure Dye is great one on one. Love him on Finebaum. I'd much rather listen to him on Finebaum than Stallings to be honest. Dye will tell you exactly what he thinks. Stallings filters everything he says...well with the exception of Terry Bowden and Bill Curry.

Supposedly the interview is the reason that Bowden didn't end up at Alabama...at least if you believe Joab Thomas. Supposedly his was subpar too.

Of course they ambushed him with Walter Lewis who for some reason was on the committee.. asking some interesting questions about his quarterbacks. (Remember this was before Charlie Ward)

4:04 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

At least with Kiffin he tells you up front..listen...we are going to bend every possible rule as far as we can...Catch us.

Kelly just seems dirty to me...I don't know why I get that from him.

4:06 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

Is your Brian Kelly program related to his mobility? Or is it because he's Chris Mortenson's long lost twin?

4:08 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

* problem.

sorry.

4:08 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

Agreed with you FSJ on the Dye interview on Slimbaum radio network. He is a way better interview than is Stallings. Part of that is Slimebaum too though, he really treats Dye much different than the way he does Stallings. He tip toes around with Stallings and often times seems to bait Dye into some of the stuff. That may be somewhat biased though based on my allegiance, has anyone else ever thought that as well?

4:10 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Well Finebaum knows that if you get Dye riled up he will go off which is great for ratings. I sorta get the impression that Dye goes along with it too.

I figure Stallings would just hang up on him.

4:11 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Don't know how accurate..but the South Bend newspaper is reporting that Kelly will be the next ND coach..

Kelly

4:13 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

I know and I am certainally not the best one to give an opinion on Finebald but I really think it goes along with his sleezy persona.

4:13 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

ESPN just reported Brian Kelly just became the next coach at ND

4:14 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

FSJ you out scooped JD...

4:14 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

LOL...

I've been in contact with people in high places.

4:15 PM  
Blogger ehyou said...

Mortensen is reporting it. He's usually one to believe.

4:15 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

Who will the Natty come after?

Jim McElwayne?

4:17 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

I would JD..

Him or Gus... :-P

4:19 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

New question...will ESPN do and expose report that ND hired a coach with the last name Kelly? That seems pretty predjuicial to me. Just sayin'

4:19 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

The Gus Bus is in the Chizik shop and the estimate is it will take at least another year before it is ready to roll to it's next stop.

4:20 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

I have it on good authority Gus will be in Auburn for 3 years.

4:23 PM  
Blogger michael said...

I have heard similar things from sources, Jet. At least one more year for sure.

4:27 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

Well Jet that fits in to the average lifespan of an Auburn OC....

4:27 PM  
Blogger JD the Biscuithata said...

Man in that case I guess next year we can expect to see Roof leave to become the DC at Texas.

4:29 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

FSJ - You've already professed your love for Auburn. I don't think it would be that much of a jump from that statement to a well-timed BEASLEY!!!

4:31 PM  
Blogger George W. Jet said...

I also have it on good authority that Pete Rose will be the next coach at Cincy.

4:31 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Bookies celebrate!

4:36 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

How's this for fun....

Supposedly Mike DuBose is being considered for the DL position at Memphis.

5:18 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

That is very interesting, FSJ. From what I understood, as a head coach, he is a great DC.

5:44 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

Dubose was a great example of a coach that really didn't need to be a head coach. He must have missed the memo on coach speak. How could any coach talk in the preseason of winning a national championship and end up 3-8. He might as well have put a fire me sign on his back, but somehow he survived a little while longer.

5:46 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

So, has the countdown on Brian Kelly's career started yet?

5:49 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

I tell ya what...Jen Brown from ESPN would have made a great Orange Pride girl.

6:05 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

I love me some Jen Brown.

6:19 PM  
Blogger §teveFC said...

If Brian Kelly's career dies at Notre Dame, that job is going to become the one coaches don't want, ironically. Notre Dame isn't what it once was. It was typically a national recruiting power. Many don't even know where it is. It is like it was an entire different world known as Notre Dame. Now it is where decent coaches go to die.

6:37 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

EBro: I don't care about Calipari's past problems.

I just want wins against Duke.

6:40 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Don't get me wrong, I love me some Duke-UK matchups. Always fun to watch.

But Duke? I would think Kentucky should be shooting higher these days. Don't get me wrong, I would kill for Duke's basketball program, but as far as elite programs go, they've fallen off in recent years.

They struggle these days to make the Sweet 16. The Duke name still carries some weight given they're somehow ranked in the preseason top ten every year, but I think UK can surpass Duke pretty easily. Probably already have.

6:47 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

I like to poke fun about Cal, but overall, I think it's huge for the SEC. Given how god awful things were last year for this conference come Tourney time (only getting two at large bids). It's like the SEC gets no respect for producing the only back to back national champ (Florida) in recent times.

But Kentucky being good (or at least considered to be good) undeniably raises the profile of the conference to a whole other level that no other team, not even Florida evidently, can.

The SEC needs Kentucky to be good. So as a college basketball fan whose teams plays in the SEC, I say go Cats!

6:53 PM  
Blogger jhag said...

.

7:10 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

The SEC always needs Kentucky as it is right now. No doubt.

7:11 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I like unneeded history lessons.

7:22 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

I must be bored...I'm watching a show on CNBC called "Inside the mind of Google"........weird wild stuff.

7:49 PM  
Blogger Mullets=Bammers said...

Where is WTC or D. Millar I need my daily recruiting fix? What's this about a possible new leader for Seastrunk? Also since I am new can someone clue me in on the whole BEASLEY thing?

8:22 PM  
Blogger Mullets=Bammers said...

From an earlier converstaion I say UK is on some sort of probabtion by the 4th yr.

8:22 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Penguins on the power play! We're tied at 2 with the Habs early in the 3rd period.

8:28 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

M=B - the "BEASLEY!!! thing" is my fault. Terry Beasley, one of my most favorite AU players ever, was #88, so I like to honor him on the 88th post. Some other Hotties have filled in admirably in my absence.

8:32 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Pens 0 for 2 on PP in first 6:30 of the 3rd period. UGHHHH!!! Penguins have 3rd worst PP in the entire NHL. What on earth is wrong?!?!

8:37 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Well, bad news.. Pens get another power(less) play.

8:42 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I feel like I'm live blogging to the "crowd" at BEMC, but I'll keep going...

Pens now 0 for 5 on the PP, but they just scored the go ahead goal on a slap shot by Pascal Dupuis. The Habs goalie got his glove on it, deflecting it into the net. Without that, it would have sailed at least a foot over the crossbar.

HANG ON PENS!!!

8:51 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

some Taliban dude just threw a shoe onto the ice after a bad call against the home team Habs. Is he going home in one shoe? We'll have to wait and see.

8:53 PM  
Blogger Mullets=Bammers said...

Got it thank. Although I don't see how you know what number post you are on. I still can't figure out how to turn off that stupid pop up that comes up everytime I post or refresh the page.

8:55 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Hanging on every word THT. Who needs ESPN.com and gametracker?

8:56 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

MB, it shows how many comments at the top of the page, under the blog entry title.

8:58 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Final from Le Centre Bell (formerly the Molson Centre):

Penguins 3
Canadiens 2

9:04 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Pins and needles. PINS. AND. NEEDLES.

The Pens going back to back?

9:09 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Thrashers and Canucks just dropped the puck about 2 minutes ago in General Motor Place in Vancouver.

9:11 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

they did it in '91 & '92, so why not?


Canucks score first at 3:09 of the 1st on a wraparound.

9:12 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

I can't decide if Matt Millen is a worse coach or broadcaster.

9:14 PM  
Blogger Wakeriderof87 said...

D all of the above

9:20 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

definitely all of the above

9:23 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

You'd think the NFL network could do a better job of coverage on NFL games.

9:27 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

New thread UPZ.

9:30 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I'm enjoying the NFL Network's telecast.

It's better than ESPN's shady work on the UK-Connecticut game last night. The camera operator either was over-caffeinated or high.

9:31 PM  

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