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11.11.2008

Helmet decal

This is what the Tigers will be wearing on their helmets this weekend to honor Virgil Starks.

394 Comments:

FSJ said...: Youv'e got it Eddie.

I'm all for Auburn winning this weekend.; 9:32 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Kristina- Actually, it is really being said right now. Alot of people seem to be running with it. I believe it has some credibility, but not certain.; 9:33 PM
Anonymous said...: heard that this afternoon, but have had no confirmation ... so I stay away until it's backed up; 9:34 PM
Quitstina said...: Where are they saying he is if he is not at Auburn?; 9:34 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Well we hit 200. I wonder if Jay will find this out at 3 in the morning when he quits playing call of duty.; 9:34 PM
Quitstina said...: Good for you, doug. Glad to know you don't run wild with speculation like a certain homer who follows after your show on the air.; 9:35 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Kristina- Some are saying that he has been kicked off the Auburn team. The rumor is that he was not going to class and falling back into the habits that got him suspended previously. I'm sure we will find out soon enough.

Thanks Douga for following up.; 9:36 PM
Quitstina said...: That's too bad. Hope it is just a rumor.; 9:37 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Say what you want about Finebaum, but I know on 98 he had a very reliable source on the inside because I knew about it. I could not believe that he was talking to Finebaum, but he did. SO what i'm trying to say is that Finebaum usually is spot on with his assertions.; 9:37 PM
FSJ said...: Finebaum is usually pretty reliable with the stuff that he actually says.

He gets his regular callers such as Shane and Bobby to throw out all the rumors.; 9:39 PM
Anonymous said...: we need a HABOTN party at a Roundtable remote!!! ... I'm buying lunch!!!; 9:39 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- Can you host a remote from Atlanta? I would be there for that. You can come during hte SEC Championship game.; 9:40 PM
Unknown said...: eddie, Did mindbomb speculate about Blackmon's status?

I am pretty sure if Blackmon is gone, we will hear something from Tuberville soon. It will likely only be that he was released from the team for violating team rules, but I doubt this drags out.; 9:40 PM
Quitstina said...: I am just being petty because I don't like him.; 9:40 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- I found it funny that Bowden knew things wre being leaked to Paul Finebaum, but he guessed incorrectly on who was doing it. He thought Frank Cox, the old equiopment manager was doing it, but it wasn't him.; 9:41 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- Also, you need free WI-Fi so we can talk to Monica :) at the remote.

Steve- Didn't listen to him much today. This blackmon thing is all over Rivals tonight.; 9:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Frank Cox, the man behind the water hose on Georgia night; 9:43 PM
Unknown said...: So, you know your a redneck if...you have called into the Paul Finebaum show. That show reminds me too much of the al.com forums.; 9:43 PM
Anonymous said...: Frank Cox, the man behind the water hose on Georgia night; 9:43 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- I've never heard that. I worked for him for 4 years, you think I would have heard that story. I've heard several others, just not that one.; 9:44 PM
Anonymous said...: I was down on the field, right near the tunnel heading to the AU locker room when it happened ... that was one crazy night in 1986, let me tell you!!!; 9:46 PM
Anonymous said...: I thought our level of screwedness.
I think you just earned a place on the quote hall of fame.; 9:46 PM
Anonymous said...: So, if you were an odds maker in Vegas, what would you make the line for the UGA/AU game this weekend? Because as it stands right now, It is 8 points in Georgia's favor. I find that unbelievable.; 9:46 PM
FSJ said...: eddie:

What was Bowden like?; 9:46 PM
Anonymous said...: I can answer that ... short

and he didn't even know his own players well enough to call them by name half the time; 9:50 PM
FSJ said...: About what I figured.; 9:51 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- Frank is usually on the sidelines. Did he go to the maitenance crew and have them turn it on?; 9:51 PM
Anonymous said...: yep ... we were waiting for the team to come through, and the georgia kids that ran on the field were going crazy, and he made 'em pay ... one georgia kid got the living crap knocked out of him right by us ... it was a crazy story to write for the paper for sure; 9:54 PM
Quitstina said...: Bowden didn't seem all that nice when he visited the art store I worked at in the 90's to sign prints (either Daniel Moore or Alan Zuniga) after the 93 season.

Now Jay Barker was very nice when he came in. There fake Steve i said something nice about bama.; 9:54 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- Bowden was aloof. He didn't know or relate to many of his players or anybody with the team for that matter. I really knew things were screwy when I was working the Bowden Academy, and at the time Tommy was at Tulane, and in one room together you had:

Every Bowden brother but Terry, Rich Rodgriquez and Bobby Bowdena. Terry wouldn't even show up to just sit around and talk. I was lucky to be in the same room as those guys, and they would sit there and talk football for hours. It was a great time. My point is that Terry was never around, at least not any longer than he had to be. He was lazy and everyone knew it.; 9:54 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: Wow. You all have a lot to say about the classy V.S. sticker.; 9:55 PM
Anonymous said...: bowden was the biggest prick Ive ever covered; 9:57 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- There was an offensive lineman that Bowden was walking by on the concourse on the way to pick up his kids from the daycare center on campus, and he asked him to come out for the team. The funny thing was that this person was already on the team, on a full scholarship and Bowden had made an in home visit. That is just unbelieveable. I just remember I could remember the name.

I wish I could have seen that water hose incident. I can see Frank doing that.; 9:57 PM
FSJ said...: I had an accounting class with Jay at Alabama. It was one of those huge classes in an auditorium type setting.

He showed up for the four test days.

I assume he had tutors that prepped him for the tests.

His now ex wife lived in our apartment complex.; 9:57 PM
Anonymous said...: how goes it Jay ... thanks for the "visit'' today!; 9:57 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- Did he make you get on a knee to hold an interview? :); 9:57 PM
FSJ said...: Doug...

Did you ever cover Stallings? What was he like?; 9:58 PM
Quitstina said...: Don't sugarcoat it Doug, tell us how you really feel ;-); 9:58 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Just another night in the HABOTN Nation Jay. Look at the monster you have grown.; 9:59 PM
Quitstina said...: I didn't say Jay was a scholar athlete, I just said he was nice to me when he came in.; 10:00 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: We have 766 posts to catch the record post count. I don't think we are going to do it tonight.; 10:00 PM
Anonymous said...: I did cover stallings ... was fortunate enough to cover his last game, the bowl game in tampa against michigan ... it was really an emotional setting in that post-game presser, with ruth ann and john mark on the podium with him ... there wasn't a person in there who wasn't deeply moved, regardless of whether you were from michigan or alabama ... i'll never forget it; 10:01 PM
Quitstina said...: Any word on Blackmon, Jay?; 10:01 PM
FSJ said...: I know Kristina. He and I are the same age, so I've been around him too.

He's a good guy.; 10:01 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- Stallings must have been a real stickler for class then :).; 10:01 PM
FSJ said...: I understand that he and Bowden couldn't stand one another.; 10:02 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: Always my pleasure, Douga.

It's always nice to hear from you (or Bag) well ahead of my segment.

By "well ahead," I mean more than 30 seconds.; 10:02 PM
FSJ said...: I thought so too eddie..; 10:03 PM
Quitstina said...: Although neither Bowden nor Barker had anything on the artists themselves. What head cases they were.; 10:03 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Oliver and Bowden couldn't stand one another, much less Bowden and Stallings.; 10:04 PM
FSJ said...: Head cases...artists...Nahhh...; 10:04 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- I want to change my name to Fake John Lassiter. You inspired me.; 10:05 PM
FSJ said...: Oliver and Stallings aren't friendly either...; 10:05 PM
FSJ said...: Outstanding...

My other option was Fake Denny Crane.; 10:06 PM
Anonymous said...: that's funny Jay ... what a lack of respect ... but not surprising ... actually got an email today from head cumulus suit guy, saying how much he loved guests like you and scarbo ... guys who aren't afraid to give an opinion .. he then went on to bash the internet site guys with an agenda ... it was cool; 10:07 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- I can't imagine why :)? Could it be the fact that he tried to take his job?

As for Brother, I will say this, I was in the room with Brother Oliver, at a hotel in Lagrange on the night that Bowden was fired, and he was indeed promised the Auburn job by a phone call from one Mr. Lowder. Brother, I do believe, is a good man.; 10:07 PM
FSJ said...: That's why Auburn settled with him I suppose.; 10:09 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- YOu hit on something when you said internet guys with an agenda. I was a loyal follower of Rivals before I posted here. Now, I very rarely posted on Rivals, but I followed closely. I love this place because Jay actually discusses what he belivees is going on at Auburn, where as Bryan Mathews seems to speak in code and not say much of anything. Is that the kind of internet guys you are talking about?; 10:09 PM
Anonymous said...: EXACTLY!!!; 10:10 PM
WarEagleRK said...: I've honestly never heard anyone say a nice thing about Terry Bowden outside of the Bowden family.

This just continues the trend.

So no confirmation one way or the other on the Tray Blackmon thing?; 10:12 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- Then help me here, because I have been dumbed down, what is their agenda. That the chaos go on because it drives up memberships? Bryan has been one for the first to act like Tubs is gone and it has turned the message board into a total dissaster in my opinion because now all tehy do is bash each other and Tubs all day long, 24/7. I don't get it. It turns me away.; 10:13 PM
FSJ said...: eddie...

Just from my perspective, the Bama Rivals guys had the absolute worst record during the Shula firing and Saban hiring. They had a different story a day.; 10:14 PM
Anonymous said...: not from me ... but Jay is MUCH MUCH closer to that than I am ... perhaps when he finishes the next round of guitar hero he'll toss us something! :); 10:15 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: FSJ- I guess it just goes with stirring up something to make people join. THat is the only thing I can think up. I guess it doesn't care about the info it actually puts out, at least from a journalistic side of things.; 10:16 PM
Quitstina said...: He's moved on to Call of Duty so we may not see him back for a while...; 10:16 PM
FSJ said...: People make fun of Tiderinsider due to some of the posters with good reason, but Rodney Orr was very quiet the whole time. He was overly careful, IMO. But he didn't have to change his tune fifty times either.; 10:17 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: If I go with Fake John Lassiter, which hawaiian shirt should be my avatar?; 10:18 PM
Quitstina said...: So why are people paying when they can get more reliable information here? Maybe it is an entertainment factor.; 10:19 PM
FSJ said...: get you one of those Magnum PI shirts.; 10:19 PM
Quitstina said...: The one from Finding Nemo, definitely.; 10:19 PM
Anonymous said...: one of mine and Josh's main goals on the roundtable - top get more action on HABOTN!!!! it makes no sense whatsoever to pay for it, when you can get it for free!!!

(now that's a quote for the board hall) :):); 10:22 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Kristina- I was thinking the same thing about why do I pay for rivals any longer? I don't really care about recruiting to the point that I follow every high school star that has Auburn on a list and the reliable information is no faster than what you hear here or anywhere else, and even though they cover Auburn like Jay does, they never give their opinion, which is what I find most interesting. This place rocks compared to Rivals or anything else for that matter.

I do like the finding Nemo shirt. By the way, if you haven't seen the Pixar Story on HBO, watch it. Good documentry.; 10:24 PM
FSJ said...: I agree...Don't pay for it...Get it for free...

Sincerely,

Hugh Grant; 10:24 PM
Quitstina said...: So HABOTN is the cow and Rivals is the milk in that old saying...; 10:24 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Douga- Que the girl saying "ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME"; 10:25 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Rivals is the finished product that sits on the shelf in cartons and gallons after it has been processed.; 10:26 PM
FSJ said...: Shouldn't that be reversed Kristina?; 10:27 PM
Quitstina said...: I guess Jay has gotten over his 200 comment fear...; 10:27 PM
Quitstina said...: Oh, is the saying why pay for the cow when you can get the milk for free? I thought it was why pay for the milk when you can get the cow for free.; 10:28 PM
FSJ said...: I think it is why pay for the cow when you can get the milk for free...

Of course, I've never bought a cow and I am lactose intolerant.; 10:29 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: I didn't even catch the old saying. Strike my comments.; 10:30 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Kristina / FSJ ? DougA-

Goodnight all. I'm sure we will speak tomorrow. It is 11:30 my time and I have to be up in a little over 5 hours, so I better get some sleep.

Douga- I will be listening tomorrow as alot of us always do. Thanks for stopping by tonight. I'm sure most have enjoyed you doing so.; 10:32 PM
Quitstina said...: But if you have the cow you can also make cream and cheese so I would think getting the cow for free would be a much better value.; 10:32 PM
Anonymous said...: gnight guys and gals; 10:33 PM
Quitstina said...: yeah when the conversation has dwindled to talk of cheese, it may be time to call it a night...; 10:33 PM
Quitstina said...: Night doug and eddie and he who must not be named (even tho I named him several times already tonight); 10:34 PM
michael said...: what is it with HABOTN and cheese talk? Seems like we end up here every once and awhile.; 10:42 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: wow....i get on lateand find out that amos is out stealing all of jays hotties for his show....; 10:43 PM
JD said...: Noooooooo...I hate having the grandparents in laws in town. Tonight I missed the opportunity to shoot the breeze with two of the greatest all time Auburn Beaters DougA and JayG.; 10:54 PM
Mark said...: Monica, you keep showing that picture and we guys might have to start hitting on you. Great Photo!

btw, no offense intended.; 11:01 PM
michael said...: Maybe we should all put up glamor shots of ourselves. Maybe we can get Deb from Napoleon Dynamite to take the pictures. It would certainly go with the Hotties theme.; 11:50 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Good one Michael. I just watched that part of the movie while working out. That movie is good.; 6:38 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Good Barnhart Read this morning:

Time for Auburn To Make a Decision

Also, I read a "rumor" that said Tubs would be here next year and that he is targeting Missouri's offensive staff for the next OC and staff moves. That would be interesting, but I'm not sure I buy into it.; 6:45 AM
Unknown said...: I do think Auburn needs to make a decision soon. My guess is that Tuberville will still be around, but you never know. I also suspect Auburn has looked into possible replacements. After Clemson and Tennessee have already given their coaches opportunities to find new jobs, it would be hard to imagine Auburn waiting until after the season to throw their hat in the ring for coaches.; 8:20 AM
Anonymous said...: I have a theory.

I think Tuberville is bent on staying at Auburn until he runs it completely in the ground. Not because he wants to, but he is so prideful that he doesn't want anyone else to succeed on his heels. So, either he will turn it around or he won't leave anything here worth saving for the next coach.

Just a thought.; 8:24 AM
Jay G. Tate said...: I have an answer for the "why pay for others when you can get stuff here" comments.

They have more people. ITAT has three full-time guys, Jeffrey and Bryan lock down the rivals site and, well, PMarsh is PMarsh. He'll have a second guy soon.

Since I can't ...
a.) Live in Auburn
b.) Have anyone help me

... I'll be in a compromised position at times. I also have a low tolerance for Auburn minutae (ie: BREAKING NEWS: Merrill Johnson scored a 93 on his biology test. YAY!) I also don't follow recruiting very closely because it's fake in a way. I covered it pretty closely in 1999 and 2000 ... and the kids kept changing allegiances. I decided that overviews were more credible than "up to the minute recruiting news." It's basically celeb gossip.

I love celeb gossip. I read TMZ and Perez Hilton. I just don't have the time to get that deep into the quagmire. I'm a one-man show.

I decided to carve out my niche by funneling facts and opinions into one place. The HABOTN is supposed to be a one-stop shop. I also wanted to build a community that wasn't all into flaming, trolling, sniping, being asshats.

I think we've succeeded.

So thanks.

p.s.: I'm ready for t-shirts.; 8:28 AM
Jay G. Tate said...: PMarsh and I are united on that fact:

Auburn needs to man up and make a call. People ought to know where they stand. It's not about the head coach; it's about everyone under him.; 8:30 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Yeah, where are the T-shirts.

I agree about the flaming thing that goes on at other Auburn sites, and that is the biggest turn off. That is why this place is superrior in my mind when compared to others.

I guess if we are going to do T-shirts we need a graphic designer to come up with something. I know someone that can print them, but I'm sure others also have similar contacts. We should all pull together on the T-Shirts and get them done. I will help in anyway possible.; 8:33 AM
Unknown said...: Someone on here has mentioned we would likely here something after the Georgia game. To me, that doesn't make a lot of sense because the Georgia game shouldn't be a deciding factor. If losses to Vandy, Arkansas, and Ole Miss aren't enough to get Tuberville fired, a loss to Georgia shouldn't matter. I say he stays.

The big question is what he will do with the offense. I hope that they don't try to dictate coaching changes to him. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Either you have the faith in him to make the changes that need to be made, or you don't. Leave it in his hands to get the team on the right track. If next season we are setting at 5-5 and having this discussion, I think there is no question he will be gone.; 8:39 AM
Unknown said...: So, what will be the snappy slogan on the t-shirt, "Where the Hotties live"? How about where the Auburn family lives, and fake steve jobs? That has a ring to it.; 8:42 AM
michael said...: Anyone read Catch-22? There was a character in that who bragged about "never having to pay for it in his life" and such, but it turned out he was a rapist. Is there a parallel here? Is that like when people who do have the premium accounts post breaking news in the comments?

And the T-shirt should say. "Where Tim refuses to register." That joke would be so inside, it's practically outside!; 8:53 AM
Monica said...: RE: Jay's comments on the "why pay for others when you can get stuff here" comments.

YAY! I love this niche so MUCH!; 9:02 AM
Monica said...: Thank you, Mark. :-); 9:08 AM
Unknown said...: Michael, I love the "Where Tim refuses to register". That works for me. I love your humor in a kind of why in the world would he think of that but it is funny kind of way. You seem to take a different view of life.; 9:12 AM
JCS said...: Jay G.,
Thanks for bringing some rational thought to the HABOTN everytime someone goes off on some tangent worrying about some "hot rumor." You do a wonderful job. I read the HABOTN regularly, but never post comments I feel urged to comment now for some reason. I am in the camp that AU needs to make a decision. I think a decision has already been made, in fact, but it simply is not public knowledge. I agree that if Tubs is retained, the last two games of this season should not have a bearing on that decision. Also, the board/president/AD shouldn't tell Tubs who he should and shouldn't keep on his staff. That should be left up to Tubs and/or the incoming OC. If Tubs is not retained, I can't say that I'll be terribly dissappointed. I have been the official "Tub's apologist" since '03, and frankly I am sick of it. On the same line of thinking as in the former camp, the last two games should have no bearing if the decision is to fire Tubs. In a perfect world I would hope that some amicable agreement can be made, whereby Tubs can leave on good terms, reduce the buyout somewhat to aid AU, and give us the opportunity to bring in some new energy to the program. I guess that's a long enough post for a first timer.; 9:19 AM
Unknown said...: Welcome Joshua. I sounds like we agree on most points, except that I don't believe Tuberville should be gone this season. I say that because he has always been willing to make changes if needed. I have my opinions of the offensive coaches, but I do recognize that Tuberville should be a better judge than I. If not, where is my $3 Million paycheck?

I do expect to see improvement from our offense over the next couple of games, as we have been seeing in the last few games, but a lot of that has to do with the players. Yes, it is the job to get the players ready to play, but there is only so much a coach can do to change attitude. Attitude is what this team needs and I do think we are seeing in based on some of the comments of players.; 9:43 AM
Jay G. Tate said...: Yea. Welcome, Joshua.; 9:50 AM
War Eagle Girl said...: I'm headed to Atlanta this morning and had to get my fix before leaving!
Jay....that's why I love the HABOTN...you have explained yourself exactly!
Joshua, thanks for writing for me this morning because I read alot but don't seem to be able to put it in words....Welcome and War Eagle!
I'll buy a t-shirt today!! ( Can we get a ladies shirt?); 9:57 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Joshua- Good first post. As you have read here in the past, you echo most thoughts here. I believe the ultimatium has already been dropped about staff changes when Spina said what he said.; 9:59 AM
michael said...: I have no problem with the administration giving him an ultimatum on the staff. They are his boss, it is their right. If they are competent enough to pick a head coach (questionable, but that is the position they are in), why are they not competent enough to demand some changes to the assistants? It is pretty obvious there is a certain position that is not being developed. It seems it is obvious to everyone but Tubs. An ultimatum may be required.

Its not any different to something Tubs would do to an incoming OC. He would say, "If you like your job, you will work with assistant x, y, and z." The OC is subordinate, so it is Tubs right to do that. But what's wrong with Tubs' boss taking away that right? Tubs admits time and again he doesn't know jack about offense. Yet he knows what makes a good offensive coach? I say save him from himself and force some changes.; 10:11 AM
Jet said...: Officially on board; 10:27 AM
Monica said...: Michael - Because that's bad governance. It's not the Board's job to manage, it's their job to govern. The point is to hire supervisors who manage. You hire a coach in whom you have enough confidence to fill staff positions. If the Board believes they're in a situation where they have to micromanage, then it's time for them to hire a new head coach. Otherwise, you let the head coach do what you hired him to do.; 10:29 AM
Jet said...: Jet's semi-educated guess: Decision made ... waiting for best time to announce it (Monday? Tuesday?) ... Tubs, thanks for playing.; 10:33 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Jet- I'm with you in that I think the decision has been made. I don't believe that the next two games will impact his outcome. I just can't see them not saying something sooner if they were keeping Tubs.; 10:38 AM
Anonymous said...: I fear what it means if TPTB wait until after the last game to say something.; 10:40 AM
Jet said...: Absolutely, Eduardo!

Silence is deadly for TT. You can say he's back next year ... case closed, or you can move behind the scenes and get your ducks in a row.

Everybody now, "Row, row, row your ducks, gently down the stream ..."; 10:41 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: I noticed where Tim called me out on yesterdays video thread. Will the real Tim please standup and I will debate your points :)!; 10:41 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Mr. S- Do you really think that they would take the gamble of Tubs winning the Alabama game before saying something? Surely they learned their lessons from 2003.; 10:42 AM
Anonymous said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 10:43 AM
Jet said...: Eddie ... I'll answer:

NOOOOO!!!!!!; 10:44 AM
Anonymous said...: That's what I'm saying. If they wait, he wins, they run him, egg on face.; 10:44 AM
Monica said...: I think he stays.; 10:47 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: If i'm a betting man (by the way never bet on Auburn), which I tend to be, I would say we hear something next week one way or the other.; 10:47 AM
Jet said...: The real lesson from 2003 for TPTB is "Finish the Job." They're not going to get caught out in no man's land again.

Gogue will step up in plain view and pull the trigger. He'll say it was his call.

That's why I think Spina was somewhat of a charade. Maybe he feels that way. If so, maybe some folks urged him to be public about it to have someone in the circle talking up Tubs.; 10:47 AM
Anonymous said...: I've flip-flopped on this a bunch this year, but I just don't think they'll run him now.

Too many unknown variables. Above all things, Auburn is a rather conservative institution and I just don't see them making the change in this climate.

Now, do I think they should run him? Tune in next Tuesday. I plan to have a whole rant about that following the Georgia game.

(If Doug can pull for the HABOTN's affections, so will I.); 10:47 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Mr. S- I don't think you have to pull too hard. I plan on listening. I wonder what will be said if some how the miracle happens, and we win?

Maybe we should start asking for a Mr. S gut feeling percentage.

If someone was to ask me, I would say 55% Gone.; 10:50 AM
Monica said...: going out on a limb there, Eddie; 10:51 AM
Anonymous said...: See that's the thing. Are you asking me what I think will happen or what I want to happen?; 10:51 AM
Quitstina said...: No new thread yet?

Jay, I made the point last night that those rival type sites are for entertainment purposes and your celeb gossip comparison is dead on.

I agree with the Barnhart calumn regarding announcing a decision.

If they are committed to him, fine let's beat bama and move on to rebuilding for next season.

If he is gone, then let the boys rally around him, beat bama and move on to rebuilding for next season. (Altho this scenario did not work out well for Tenn); 10:52 AM
Anonymous said...: Kristina brings up an interesting point.

This team is very fragile mentally right now - has been all season.

If TPTB run the coach early, I think they fear a meltdown of UT proportions.

Maybe that's why they wait...; 10:53 AM
Monica said...: I think he's gone.; 10:54 AM
Anonymous said...: LOL to Monica.; 10:58 AM
michael said...: monica, you are so easily swayed.

I really don't think a decision has been made. It seems like they would act on it now if they did make one. I am guessing there is still some infighting going on. I'll bet his future depends a lot on how we perform the next two games. Maybe not even whether we win or lose, but how we compete. Or, the next two games might have nothing to do with the decision.

Anyway, I am at 76.33333 (repeating, of course) % that he stays.; 10:59 AM
Unknown said...: Monica, I am with you. If Tuberville cannot make the changes needed, we need to find someone who can. I do think he made a mistake not allowing Franklin to bring in his assistants, but I think Tuberville recognizes that too. I would expect Tuberville to choose an OC and let the OC make recommendations on staff changes based upon what the OC wants to do. The point here is that you delegate responsibility to the people who know. Just because someone is in authority doesn't mean they are the ones to best make a decision. Delegating is one of the qualities of a good manager. I have worked for managers that attempted to mirco-manage. It didn't turn out too well.; 11:04 AM
Jet said...: Gut feeling ... 97 percent gone.

Bye week gives the team the opportunity to have it sink in.

Yes, there will be successor talk, but then game week helps mitigate that a little as it focuses to TT's last hurrah.

Plus, these guys M.O. is to have their guy ID'd.; 11:06 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Yepp Monica, I'm stepping out on that branch, but I think I need to lose some more weight or the branch may break.; 11:08 AM
Monica said...: The thing that keeps swaying me is:

If they KNEW he was staying why wouldn't they say? So, either
1) the decision is made that he's gone and they are waiting on any number of things or
2) the decision isn't made

However, once I have my mind settled on that I remember that logic and reason have no place in this discussion and I start all over again.

None of which matters, but in the absence of fact, fodder is fun.; 11:10 AM
michael said...: That is because your gut is so full of feelings these days, eddie. A number of us are probably gaining some poundage due to the cast amount of gut feelings going around.; 11:11 AM
Quitstina said...: Oh and welcome joshua and congrats to jet for finally registering!; 11:11 AM
Unknown said...: I think the point that if Tuberville wins the Iron Bowl, Auburn would look pretty stupid for getting rid of him is valid. How do you fire a coach with a 7 game winning streak over your traditionally biggest rival, although frankly I think LSU is our biggest now.

It makes the decision much easier if they let this season play out and give Tuberville next season to turn things around.

Obviously someone has to define what is a turn around, but I do think it means not loosing to teams like Vandy, Arkansas, and Ole Miss. In other words, we shouldn't be losing to teams with less talent than we have.; 11:12 AM
Jet said...: Monica:

It's always the first thing ... first reaction is usually right, then you talk yourself into/out of things.

Just another log on the "he's gone" fire in my mind.; 11:13 AM
Monica said...: Yes, welcome Joshua and yay, Jet! Now you're a real person. BTW, I used to live in non-profit world.; 11:13 AM
michael said...: when I said cast earlier, I meant vast. I have been having some head issues lately.; 11:14 AM
Jet said...: Dare I say the word?

Beating Alabama is a part of the ... uh ... process.

It's not the destination ... it's just one of the last mileposts on the way.; 11:14 AM
Jet said...: These days, we're all non-profit. That's kinda what I meant. But I'm generally a charitable kinda guy.; 11:15 AM
Monica said...: he said the p word

i'm telling; 11:15 AM
Unknown said...: Jet G. Ate, I am 97% sure that none of us know enough to be 97% sure. My gut tells me he stays, but I do think the odds are closer to 50%. I am 97% certain of that.; 11:16 AM
Jet said...: Steve ... I agree that 97 percent ... yea, 99.9 of us don't know for sure.

Watching these guys for a long time ... I've got a checklist of things said, things unsaid, way things are done.

Too long to go into, but it spits out my guess. And it leads me to the strong belief, that's already decided, he's done, and they've ID'd who they want.

That's all. I'm a reasonable guy, you're a reasonable guy. The only thing 50-50 in my mind about this, as Coach Dye wonderfully said, is hindsight.; 11:20 AM
michael said...: My gut said he stays, but then I ate Mexican food, and then my gut said he would turn into diarrhea by the end of the year. Still haven't fully translated that one. In the mean time, my hand has been saying he would stay, but my shoulder is 103% sure is is gone. When I explained to my shoulder this isn't possible, it threatened to separate. Luckily, my knuckles talked it down. Though generally considered part of my hand when it comes to percentage feelings, my knuckles have a soothing influence on the rest of my body that my hand in its entirety is not capable.

steve from columbia, does this post fall under the "why would he think of that" category? Yeah, my whole life is pretty much that.; 11:20 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Your dead on Michael. A lot of gut fealings are going around. I'm shedding my gut and my feelings. What would we do around here if we didn't have the Tubs issue. This horse is almost dust.; 11:22 AM
Unknown said...: Michael, the is a perfect example. I think you are a case study in the effects of staring into a monitor too long, which also affects me. I solved my problems when I added a second monitor.; 11:24 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Mr S- From above, give us both, your "GUT" feeling about what you think should happen and what will happen.; 11:25 AM
Monica said...: I wish that .10% of us who does know would speak up and share with the class!; 11:25 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Good one Steve. Some of you guys make me laugh out loud.; 11:26 AM
Unknown said...: By the way, I need to spout out some more of my reasoning.

This team is very young, so I expect significant improvement next year.

I don't believe in blaming, but I do believe the cause of our current issues stems back to Jetgate and the effects that it had on recruiting.

This isn't intended to lessen the contributions of Mr. Personality, Tony Franklin.; 11:26 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: I know what former Tuberville Coaches think, but what do they know.; 11:27 AM
Jet said...: Jet G. Ate is NOT the problem!
It is the opportunity for improvement!
Or something like that.; 11:28 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Steve- What did you think the team was last year? I thought it was young last year, and I expected this year to be as you do next year.; 11:29 AM
Monica said...: Nice "reframing", Jet.; 11:29 AM
Quitstina said...: The team was young last year but we had a senior QB who could run a game.; 11:30 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Lets play a game...Name me a coach that was almost fired at a school, ended up staying and being very successful?

I throw out Frank Beamer and then it gets hard after that.; 11:30 AM
Unknown said...: eddie, JoePa is another prime example. While firing might be too strong, many wanted him gone.; 11:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Bobby Bowden; 11:32 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Kristina- Agreed with on the QB issue. I always thought this team would be as good as the QB was, but I NEVER thought it could be this bad.; 11:33 AM
Unknown said...: Kristina, you may an excellent point about a senior QB. All you have to do is look at the successful teams out there and you see experienced starting quarterbacks. Ohio State might be an exception, but winning teams have an experienced QB and a solid defense.

Last year we weren't horrible. We were one play away from the SECCG. I do think that many are learning how much they should have appreciated Brandon Cox last season. If we hadn't had him last year that offense would have been,...well..., it would basically have been the offense we have now.; 11:35 AM
Jet said...: Norman Dale; 11:35 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Mr. S- Bobby Bowden? I don't ever recall his job in jeopardy. It would have to been in 1984 or now. He needs to go and should have been gone before.

Steve- Joe Pa? Is he really coaching this years team? Maybe, I don't know.; 11:36 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Jet- Did you just reference the "Hoosiers" coach gene hackman played?; 11:38 AM
Quitstina said...: OK, so are you telling me CTT gets fired and then winds up coaching Lee Scott to a state championship?; 11:39 AM
Jet said...: Yup; 11:40 AM
Unknown said...: eddie, apparently JoePa is coaching. He actually injured himself showing a player how to kick a ball I believe.

Another example is a guy named Tommy Tuberville who was nearly fired the year before he had an undefeated season.; 11:43 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: So who is hosting a tailgate this weekend? We need a HABOTN Tailgate.; 11:43 AM
Unknown said...: I suppose guys like Billy Martin and Bobby Knight don't count, since they were other sports, but I do believe Billy Martin was very familiar with the firing process.; 11:44 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Steve- I know, I couldn't help but question it, as you know you are my arch nemisis on here :).

Tommy did, but is it going to take him almost getting fired every other year to produce?; 11:44 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Did Joe Pa break his hip when he tried the onside kick? That man is crazy.; 11:45 AM
Unknown said...: eddie, that is a very good point. Maybe we shouldn't underestimate the power of the banhammer. Possibly that is what Tuberville needs.; 11:46 AM
Unknown said...: eddie, if I heard correctly, that is exactly what JoePa was doing. The guy is like 140 years old and just keeps going.; 11:47 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: The power of the banhammer could influence me.; 11:47 AM
KJtiger said...: eddie Im with you. It always seems we are young, have injuries, lose preseason games, fill in excuse here. My concern isthis: Does tubs have it inthe tank to turn this around. Does he have it left to get out on the recruiting trail and sell auburn to all that lsiten, does he have it to revamp his staff to increase offensive output, does he have it to build this program up? Like it or not 10 years is a lifetime for a D 1 coach. Not many are sucessfull past that time consistantly. That is the major question I have as to wether he should stay or go.; 11:47 AM
Quitstina said...: We may be tailagting or we may not. That early kick is making it hard to decide.; 11:48 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: Joe Pa has had it rough the last few years, from getting his leg broke on the sidelines to the hip thing. Football Coaching is hazardous to his health.; 11:48 AM
Eddie McCoy said...: I'm with ya kjtiger. I really wish we could get a measure of Tubs desire. If he is tired this year, just imagine what the next few will be going head to head with Saban.; 11:50 AM
alum2000 said...: tuberville will not be back for 2009.; 11:53 AM
Unknown said...: I don't think going head to head with Nick Saban is such a big deal. We dealt with him at LSU and we will deal with him at Bama. Keep in mind, Saban has a history of changing jobs, so he could already be halfway through his tenure at Bama.; 11:58 AM
shesaid said...: If Auburn is losing by 3 touchdowns or more at the half this Saturday, Lowder will announce Tuberville's firing over the PA.

I just can't think about it anymore because it makes my mind-brain hurt. I've come to the conclusion that I'm good either way with the decision. It's surprisingly freeing to feel this way.

I probably have said it already, but I'm gonna be this guy Saturday at the game. GOOD TIMES!; 12:05 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Steve- I disagree big time here. While Saban was at LSU, he was in his own state and we very rarely went head to head for players except in the Mobile area, where he cleaned our clock. We never had a shot at Jamarcus Russell. Now that he is in the same state, we are going to be going head to head with him for players and he cleaned our clock last year.; 12:06 PM
KJtiger said...: Saban, in my opinion is not the problem. With scholy limits I think it levels the field. What I see is AU has to keep pace with the big state schools. We cannot have a good class every three years. We have to work harder to recruit than the state schools not less as we have been. Saban's history is very evident in his stats. He may be hear long term or he may leave this year if he wins a NC (God forbid) But I do know this he is creating an expectation monster over there that may get him in the end (see Gene Stallings); 12:07 PM
coosa said...: Eddie - There were lots of bammers calling for Bear Bryant to retire back in 69 and 70. Not sure that anybody official ever considered forcing it, but it was sure talked about. I wish that he would have.

All this speculation on Tubs' future. Here's a radical suggestion - why don't we just take what our president said at face value. He said that Tubs would be evaluated at the END of the season. The season ain't over. If AU beats GA and then Tubs leaves Tuscaloosa holding up 7 fingers, then no way in the world does he get fired. How foolish would the pres look if AU won every game after he made that statement and then he fired him anyway?

On the other hand, if we lose to GA 49-0, and a similar score to bammer, then Tubs might need to start making plans for how to spend $6 million.; 12:08 PM
Eddie McCoy said...: Touche Coosa, touche.; 12:09 PM
Jet said...: Which face, Coosa?

I kid, of course. But this is far too important to leave this to a quick decision after the Alabama game.

Remember, this is a mulitmillion dollar enterprise (football program) that affects the multimillion dollar enterprise holding company (AU).; 12:38 PM
Quitstina said...: Jay has a post on Blackmon up...; 12:39 PM
Anonymous said...: Love the logo, Great way to honor a great man who really cared for these kids. Hope they can pull off a win for him with those stickers on their helmets. Would like to see them there the remainder of this season, and hopefully in a bowl game too. WDE!!!; 1:17 PM
Unknown said...: People, you don't seem to be getting the point. You are suppose to lie to me and tell me everything is okay!!! And no matter what happens Saturday, tell me we won, even if it was just a moral victory. I will take it.; 12:20 AM
Unknown said...: I am not sure where JCCW's mind was at. I didn't take Jay's comment to mean that Fannin was necessarily the better back because he scored two touchdowns against Georgia. I took it to mean that Fannin was having the big day so on that day he would be the better choice.

Not only that, but Fannin would be the guy I would favor running a fade route near the end. I could be wrong, but it sems pretty obvious to me.

Jay, I would be concerned after looking at the number of comments that JCCW got on his blog, you should....oh, wait a minute, there was only one comment and it didn't mention you. Never mind.; 12:50 AM

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