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11.11.2008

Helmet decal

This is what the Tigers will be wearing on their helmets this weekend to honor Virgil Starks.

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Anonymous Mr. Sensible's Blackberry said...

Quite fitting.

4:01 PM  
Blogger scott from tucson said...

very nice.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous mr.sensible's blackberry said...

Jay G,

Is it true that Tuberville has never lost to UGA and Alabama in the same yaer?

4:17 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

anonymous ... don't post the same thing in different threads. It's unbecoming.

4:19 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I heard that today. I haven't researched it yet.

4:19 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

if that's the case, I hope Auburn beats the heck outta UGA this weekend.

4:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The fact that Auburn fans are even debating Tuberville's future is indicative of the mediocrity Auburn fans are willing to accept. Do you think Texas, Miami, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Nebraska, USC, LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State would ever consider retaining a coach that had Tuberville's record over the span of 10 years, particularly in light of the achievement of the team in seaon 10? That's the difference between a winning attitude and an inferiority complex. Bear was right when he said "I ain't never been nothin but a winner". I hate Bama but I wish Auburn had a little more of their attitude when it comes to winning.

4:21 PM  
Blogger the biscuitator said...

I like that very much.

4:29 PM  
Anonymous barkley for govenor said...

Anonymous- Tommy Tuberville's career winning percentage is 65%, that's the same as Nick Saban. Tuberville's also 4-2 against Nickie head to head. All these Big 10 and Pac 10 coaches have skewed records because they play in a weak conference and have about 8 guaranteed wins a year.

It's not settling for mediocrity, it's just hard to fire a coach who has that king of winning % and holds a six game win steak against his in-state rival, plus a 4-2 record against their coach.

Name a head coach that Auburn can go out and grab that can compare to some of those numbers. It's real nice to sit back and talk about how we should go after Butch Davis, Jon Gruden, some of these big names, but it's not very likely to happen.

That means we would have paid a coach with that kind of record $6.5 mil to go play in Destin so we could get a coach with a worse record or no record at all.

4:43 PM  
Blogger michael said...

So Tim, you are recommending we follow the example Miami, Alabama, Nebraska, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Notre Dame, and Michigan have set with this enviable superiority complex? Because I see that attitude has not helped a number of the programs you have listed.

Fire the guy if you think he is not a good coach and someone else will do better. I have no problem with that. Don't fire him because we haven't won a national championship and he hasn't made us a top 5 program. Those expectations are ridiculous.

4:46 PM  
Blogger AUnMobile said...

Jay,
Auburn just added a new early verbal on the basketball team can you tell me something about this kid...Kenny Gabriel

4:57 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Kenny Gabriel is a re-sign from the 2008 class. He needed only one year of JUCO ball.

He's a thin 6-8 guy. Good jumper. I think he'll be a garbage-type guy like Brandon Robinson ... lots of tips, slams, easy baskets by outrunning opponents down the floor.

His one-on-one offensive game is underdeveloped. Not sure about his defensive abilities.

5:07 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

Jay:

You are a Kentucky guy? Correct?

What are the Wildcats going to have on the roundball side this year?

5:10 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

UK is sucking these days, so I'm guessing they have nothing on the roundball side ... again.

5:16 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

That's a shame...SEC basketball is much better when UK is good. No offense to Florida/Tennessee or anything, but it's important that Kentucky is good.

5:20 PM  
Blogger scottie b in tennessee said...

i'm glad to see they're doing something for Virgil. i assumed they would.

i got to hear him speak last year up here with David Housel at an alumni meeting and talked to him afterward. he was an extremely engaging fella. i barely knew him but i hurt for the guys he mentored. for a college kid to lose someone that important to them cannot be overlooked. as much as it sounds bad i hope they can see past it to focus on the game. it's not going to be easy.

5:41 PM  
Blogger scottie b in tennessee said...

JG, u covering the colossal AU roundball game saturday nite? i'm trying to get off work early enough to make it down. not sure yet.

5:47 PM  
Blogger scott from tucson said...

is there a memorial fund for mr. starks? he's only my age and while, hoprfully, he had a decent life insurance policy, he probably, given the current meltdown, didn't have much savings for his folks. i'ld help.

6:00 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Scott - This info you've probably seen before:

Virgil Starks, III, 46, of Auburn, died unexpectedly Saturday, November 8, 2008. He was born in Hamburg, Germany to the late Virgil, Jr. and Carolyn Starks. Virgil gradated from Harstelle High School in 1981. He earned his undergraduate degree in Political Science from Rhodes College, Memphis, TN. He furthered his education, earned a Master's Degree and worked for the University of Akron for thirteen years. He joined the Auburn University Athletic Department in 1998 as Senior Associate Athletic Director and Assistant to the Provost for Student-Athlete Support Services. Virgil was a member, Deacon and Sunday School Teacher at First Baptist Church of Auburn. He is survived by his wife, Donna, his three daughters, Carolyn, Victoria and Anastasia; sisters, Anita (Ronald) Alexander, Hamilton Ohio, Holly (Adrian) Calhoun, Akron Ohio, Coranetta Stewart, Kansas City, MO, Quianna (Billy) Bost, Middletown, OH, uncle & aunt, Clifford (Carrie) Acey, Lexington, MS. Parents-In-Law, Len and Carol Mash, brothers - and sisters -in-law, David (Julie) and Daniel (Linda) Mash all of Akron, OH; Godparents, John and Murna Booker, Decatur, AL. In addition to, a host of nieces, nephews, cousins and friends.

In lieu of flowers, the family request donations to the Tigers Unlimited Foundation in memory of Virgil Starks, III. All donations will benefit Virgil's passion, the academic and Life Skill enhancement of Auburn student-athletes.

Visitation will be on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at Jeffcoat-Trant Funeral Home, Opelika, AL from 6:00 p.m. ? 8:00 p.m. CST. The funeral service will be held on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 at First Baptist Church, Auburn, AL, at 11:00 a.m.

http://www.legacy.com/OANow/Obituaries.asp?Page=SearchResults&DateRange=Today&Product=0
________________________

I haven't seen anything about a fund for the family, but if there is one I'm sure First Baptist would know about it. (334) 887-8506
Nice of you to want to help.

6:21 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Classy and very fitting decal.

Anonymous (possibly Tim),

While I agree, I also hate the inferoirity complex that hangs over Auburn. Do you really have to copy and past this into 3 different threads?

6:24 PM  
Blogger Steve from Columbia said...

Anonymous, lay off the caffeine please.

6:54 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Anybody heard or read the rumors that Tray Blackmon is no longer at Auburn?

A friend called to ask me that tonight and said he heard it from a fairly reliable source. I don't think it's real, but it was worth asking.

6:59 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Scottie ... if by "roundball" you mean "basketball" ... the game is Friday night. Right?

I will not be covering that. Other newspaper-related obligations will prevent me from being there.

6:59 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Very good and tasteful decal. I like it. Virgil will be sorely missed.

7:00 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Mr. S- That definitely seems to be a hot rumor this evening. It is posted everywhere.

7:05 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

RE: Blackman - wow

7:05 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Anyone read Tony Barnhart's column where he mentions that some UGA fans are "discussing" firing Richt? SEC fans are neurotic.

Did anyone read Scarbinski's article from October 28 wherein he discussed a conversation with Jimmy Sexton that many top coaches don't want to go to the SEC b/c of the competition? The SEC competition and neurotic fans eat coaches.

Anonymous....Bear wouldn't be nearly as successful in today's SEC. In today's information age he wouldn't be able to get away with the unscrupulous stuff that did. Bear was a good cheater and if you think that his "winner" statement is justified, then don't post anymore b/c your opinion isn't warranted.

7:12 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Hoopie- I read that. Pretty amazing that Georgia fans would even think that. Richt's one achille's heal is that he struggles to beat Florida. I don't believe that many are actually calling for his firing, or least not many that I know. I do know a lot of Georgia fans that are unhappy with Martinez. Kinda crazy if you ask me.

I know people will compare Tubs to Richt, but I don't see the comparison.

7:16 PM  
Blogger michael said...

(editor's note: I just finished typing this, and it is really long (that's what she said), so I suggest you don't read it, because I probably don't make sense anyway, but I don't have the heart to delete)

I don't believe there is any such inferiority complex, and frankly I am getting a little bit pissed off that some people insinuate an inferiority complex is required to think Tubs should come back. I certainly don't feel like we have been an inferior program this decade. Do any of you? Sure, this season we have been inferior. But this whole "inferiority complex" crap would be more fitting for a team that has actually been inferior and chooses to remain so because they don't think they can do better.

A fun phrase to use is "strive to be the very best" or some junk like that. That's fun motivational speak, but do you fire a guy for not being the very best? Does that mean every team striving for excellence should fire their coach if he doesn't win the national championship? I am exaggerating here, but hopefully you get my point.

I don't think it is an inferiority complex to realize where we are in the football universe. We are not a top ten program historically, but the last few years our success has been like that. Will Auburn ever sell out the A-day game because of a coaching hire? Probably not. Auburn is a family, and that's what I like about it. Joe Schmo Alabama who doesn't know the rules on intentional grounding is a bama fan. Auburn fans are real. What comes with that is a smaller program, but with the right people in place we have shown we can do great things. Even so, all things being equal, we are not a bigger program than Miami, FSU, Michigan, Florida, USC, Tennessee, Ohio St, Penn St, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, or even LSU. How many of these schools got where they are because of the right coach hire? I would argue none got there because of a coach alone. Sure, the right coach helped turned some of these programs into powers fairly recently, but that was by going after untapped resources. Florida is loaded, Texas is loaded, Cali is loaded, and the other schools I mentioned are by far the main power in their state or region. This is not an inferiority complex I have, this is just the world we live in.

So anyway, I think the last few years have been pretty good. I think if Tubs had been the coach at USC the last few years, he would have won a National Championship there. I don't think he is as good of a coach as Carrol, but you just have to be competent for some of these jobs.

This is my longest post ever. So, like I said earlier, I have no problem with Tubs getting fired. This year has been disastrous. But fire him because you don't think he is a good enough coach. Don't give me this crap about me settling for only 2 west championships and 1 SEC championship and all that. If Vaughn makes a couple of field goals, all of a sudden Tubs is a better coach? We have been in contention most every year. I think he has done a pretty good job. OK, enough.

7:18 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Eddie, I live in Cartersville and like you am surrounded by bulldawgs. So far this season I haven't personally heard grumblings. Last season, 2 of my business partners (UGA grads) gave away the balance of their season Tix after the Tenn loss and were calling for Richt's job.

I have AU friends just as neurotic.

7:21 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Eddie, I live in Cartersville and like you am surrounded by bulldawgs. So far this season I haven't personally heard grumblings. Last season, 2 of my business partners (UGA grads) gave away the balance of their season Tix after the Tenn loss and were calling for Richt's job.

I have AU friends just as neurotic.

7:21 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

No comparison on the fans wanting Richt out and what's going on with fans wanting Tub out.

Richt gets UGA to the SEC title game pretty much every other year, at worst every third year. That gives you a shot at a lot more beyond the SEC title game.


So if people at UGA want him out, that's far worse than Auburn wanting Tub out.

7:22 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Good novel Michael. I agree with what you say.

7:24 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Hoopie- I live in Villa Rica, not to far from you. It is definitely funny to watch how some people react to bad situations when it comes to football and their teams. The problem the SEC has is just like Barnhart points out, Everybody believes they are the best and they should win them all. I would be totally against that mentality except for the money that these Coaches make. The problem is that the fans treat their coach like Gods and pay them like royalty. Can you demand more out of your coach because of that? I don't know the answer to that. Give me your thoughts.

I am still upset about how Tubs handled the end of the season last year and that is why

7:28 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

continued from above, Sorry.

That is why I won't be upset whatever the outcome is this year with Tubs. He created part of the mess if you ask me.

7:29 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Michael..I just ignore the "inferiority/accept mediocrity" talk. My opinion is that "expecting perfection" is a form of neurosis. I don't whether it realyy is in a medical sense..it is to me in a practical sense.

I grew up a Bammer in the 60's-70's and was guilty of playing the "inferiority card" on AU folks back then. It worked on some folks, but the true AU folks just said "now is Bama's time and it won't last forever". I became an AU fan during the Barfield years while attending AU and during the 9 year streak. One thing that attracted me to AU fandom was that there WASN'T an inferiority streak. There also wasn't the arrogance of neurotic "expectations". I fear that may not be the case anymore.

7:34 PM  
Anonymous cotton said...

This is irrelevant and I'm sure nobody here cares, but I just beat Guitar Hero on Hard! woot! on to expert.

7:36 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

We are rolling live right now.

GRIDIRON BREAKDOWN ON WTLS

7:42 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Well, no so live

7:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what will it take for Auburn to beat Ga.? I think it can happen.

7:48 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I have a question.

Are you and Auburn Football fan or an Auburn University fan?

I love Auburn University and everything that goes with it.

I am proud of our rising academic standards. I am proud of our engineering department. I am proud of the friggin' Equestrian Team.

And I am proud of the program CTT runs. That makes him different from Fulmer IMO. He has had very little disciplinary problems and he helps these kids graduate and ready for the real world whether that be the NFL or riding a desk.
So I have no problem with them keeping him another year because of what he has done with the program (and despite what Tim says, he has a pretty good winning percentage.)

I also have no problem with them firing him. Like Michael said, fire him because you think he's done all he can here.

How does this translate into me having an inferiority complex?

7:49 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Nice Jay G segment.

7:49 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I think that may have been my longest post too. Sorry for the ramblings...

7:50 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Eddie..The SEC facilities/coaches/arms race has upped the price tag. Any top SEC team will have to pay a high price to get any good coach to come into this circus. Every school pays a high price.....every coach can't win 10 every year. If we were in the ACC..maybe expecting 10 wins
every year from a $3mil coach would be more reasonable.

There is parity in the SEC. SEC football competition resembles the NFL more than the PAC 10. SEC game intensty is unmatched. Home field advantage and off-weeks play into the wins as much as coaching and the players. Go look at the SEC teams win/loss records compared to the games prior to and immediately after last season's off weeks. Today's ESPN-bred young sports "expert" doesn't like to hear that b/c no one can be held "accountable" and therefore don't make for good "takes".

7:50 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

Kristina:

Considering that you are a closet Bama fan, I don't get the inferiority complex angle?

:-)

7:52 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Thanks, Eddie.

7:53 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I guess being a bama fan, I should have an superiority complex and think that I am stupid because I am an Auburn fan, therefore giving me an inferiorty complex.

It's a vicous circle!

7:54 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

For any new people...

I AM NOT A BAMA FAN!

7:55 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Kristina...thank you for loving "AU" and all it encompasses. BTW your post was not too long.

7:55 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Mr. S
I can't listen on this stupid PC :-(

7:57 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Sounding good, Gridiron guys.

7:57 PM  
Blogger Steve from Columbia said...

This inferiority complex crap is silly and reminds me very much of the silliness in the al.com forums.

7:57 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I liked your post kristina.

8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding TT's future at AU. I think if you looked at his whole body of work, inclusive of how he runs his program, not just wins and losses, he clearly deserves to come back and fix the problems he created. It's just not that simple, however. Look at our recruits this year. Look a lot like the guys Terry Bowden brought in at the end. A bunch of 5'8" guys, 165 lbs. As of now, we are getting the guys Bama doesn't want, nor anyone else. Look at the most highly rated guys this year. All are now listed as soft verbals, meaning, the ones Bama and Georgia want are gonna bolt. Tommy has been content to pick only from kids that come to his camps. Trouble is that a large number of the really top notch guys he is missing out on. I think they have gotten lazy. Then there is the fact that Auburn is so divided right now. No big hitters support Tubby, especially since he shops his name out everytime he has a relatively good season. And Tubby never has gotten over Jetgate. Then there is the high coordinator turnover. No continuity with this program and it shows on the field. We are a team (coaches, admins, fans) divided and that's not going to change until someone new steps in. Sorry to say, time for a change.

8:02 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Sensi...I caught the end of the AU segment. Didn't stick around to hear the UAT segment.

Thanks for the link.

8:04 PM  
Blogger michael said...

It is nice to see people agree with me on the inferiority complex front. Seems like that gets thrown around a lot, I thought I might be in the minority.

For those who hate long posts don't worry, I will try to avoid them and stick to semi-off topic quips as much as possible.

8:04 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Anon, See your reasoning for letting him go makes sense. You have valid reasons other than not just winning SEC championships every year.

Great post, but you may wanna think about putting some sort of username in there so we don't get you confused with Tim (other anonymousesises)

8:06 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Tim- I think you have a good assesment of the situation. The Auburn Nation is divided, and it will remain divided on Tubs, no matter if he stays or goes. Unfortunately, the only way I see it getting unity is for change. Not that I agree with it, but I do feel that some would be pissed about it at first, but I think all would buy into the new coach and his staff.

8:06 PM  
Blogger michael said...

One warning to the people who want to get rid of Tubs partly because he shops his name around: if we go out and get a big name coach to leave his current program for more money, he too will shop his name around every season. This is the college football world we live in.

8:07 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Steve..you are exactly right about the Al.com stuff. That is not what the Hotties do. I got sucked in and faltered. I'll stop.

8:08 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Michael- Its hard to have an inferiority comples when we have been on equal or better footing for most of my life :)!!

8:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kristina. Yea, I've got to get a name. Just started this blogging thing today. Tom, Anon for now.

8:12 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Michael- Its not that he shopped his name around, I can live with that. It was the fact that he used that to stick a gun to Auburn's head and heed to his demands. That is what bothered me. I feel like the contract he got in 2004 was fair due to the fact that what happened to him in 2003. Most fans supported Tubs in 2003 and wanted him to be the coach. It was the outrage that Auburn fans created over jetgate that I believe saved his job and got those involved with it fired. But I believe what he did last year was one uping the people that did him wrong in 2003 and the fans that originally stood by him. I agree that high paid coaches will shop their names around, but to use it to get a raise when you are 8-4 at the time is just ridiculous and shame on Auburn for giving in. Tommy Bowden did the same thing with the same team and he got what he deserved in that respect. Maybe I do hold the grudge longer than I should, but that is the one thing that just really upsets me with Tubs.

8:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My biggest point about Tubby is that no matter what he does due to past history, AU admin and himself, the question is "are they going to fire him this year", or "is this the year he is finally sick of AU and he leaves". Not a recipe for success. Tom Anon

8:14 PM  
Blogger michael said...

I started following football and caring about who won when I was about 7 years old. Now think about this: there are 12 and 13 year old bama fans who have never seen bama beat Auburn in a game they watched. Can you believe that? Kids in middle school don't know what it is like to beat Auburn.

Now, there parents surely have the superiority complex, so the kid must be pretty confused. It'd be like learning at school every day that the sky is blue, but then you get home your parents scream at you that the sky is pink and punish you fore saying otherwise. An entire generation of bama fans is gonna need some serious counseling later on in life.

8:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on Eddie. Tubby has burned up goodwill as fast as he earned it. Tom anon

8:15 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Well welcome to HABOTN, Anonymous Tom!

8:16 PM  
Blogger michael said...

It is not uncommon in the business world to say, "this is my value on the open market. If you truly value me, you should pay me that or close to that." I don't have a problem with that, it is business.

You know what's funny, I really was disappointed in 03 when we didn't get Petrino. I didn't think too mcuh of Tubs. Now I am sitting here defending the old riverboat sissy. My how times change.

8:17 PM  
Blogger michael said...

Tim, your name is Tim, not Tom.

8:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One last point about Tubby. A LOT of teams have beaten Bama in the last ten years. What's the big deal. I think AU is way past the point of the Bama game determining if we think our season was successful or not. We get waxed by Ak, but beat bama. Tom anon

8:20 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Michael- I will agree with you that in the business world, but I will also say this, how often do you take a counter offer to your boss, get the raise and things be great for both from there on out? What happens is that when things get rough, your loyalty is questioned and you are the first to go due to the fact that you were willing to leave in the first place. It is NEVER a good idea to get a job offer and try and get your former employer to match it or up it. Business ethics books consider that a big no no.

8:20 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Yes, but for the most part in the real business world, you do not have thousands following your pay negotiations and weighing in on your performance.

8:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tim is Tim, Tom is Tom

8:21 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Mr. S- you didn't just say that about this year Bama's team looking like 92?

I couldn't disagree more. That defense in 92 was one of the best I have ever seen. This defense is not even close.

8:22 PM  
Anonymous Mr. Sensible's Blackberry said...

Thanks for the support, Hotties.

8:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A word about our Athletic director as well. Whoever approved of a 6 million buyout should be walking out the door right behind Tubby. Wassup with that. Did he formally work for Fannie May? Tom anon

8:23 PM  
Anonymous Mr. Sensible's Blackberry said...

What I said was they look like them in terms of how they win games (defense, run game, etc.).

8:23 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Mr. S- I can agree with that, but I don't buy into this Bama team being a National Championship team. I just don't see it, but they just might be so.

8:25 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

We'll see in the next few weeks. I want to see what they do with Florida.

8:27 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

eddie,

I'm not sure I buy into it either...mainly because of the Florida matchup. However, if we could get past that one...all bets are off.

8:27 PM  
Blogger michael said...

I think it all depends on how you handle it and what your actual value to your company/school is. It is true that you can build goodwill by staying with the same company and never asking for a raise, but hey, can't knock the guy for going for more money. And for some reason, I don't think this season would be any easier to take if Tubs has never looked elsewhere. He would be on the same hotseat.

I know different industries are different, but in engineering, a change of companies is the most common raise to get a big raise. It's not like it was 20 years ago. Companies come and go, and the companies are no longer loyal to engineers like they used to be. They will let you go in a heartbeat if things change. There is not much long term job security. (does this sound familiar? schools can be pretty fickle with coaches...) I don't like it, but that's the way it is. A company won't give you a big raise for performing well, because that cuts into their bottom line, so they just bet you won't have the guts to leave and if you do, then see ya later . Or if they catch wind or you inform them of your situation, they may choose to try to match or exceed the other salary depending on your value. No figurative gun is at their head. They pay you what you think you are worth. Just like in Tubs situation.

8:28 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Tim- I think the buyout resulted as a pissing match between both TPTB and Tubs. Tubs wins in this scenerio.

I think buyouts are bad for both. It takes away incentive to be good. It keeps somone from sayiong, F-it, paym me my lottery ticket and I will be on my way.

It would be hard to feel bad for anyone that walks away with $6Mllion.

But lets get one thing straight, the reason Alabama got Nick Saban was not just the money, but full control of the program and not having to answer to anyone. Is Auburn willing to give up full control to the next coach? I absolutely don't think so, and that is the dilema in the Tubs situation.

8:29 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Doug Amos and several of his guests have compared this Bama team to the '92 team as well in terms of not winning pretty.

8:29 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

I don't see bama getting past TT or USC and I've heard some interesting discussion about how USC could get to the NC.

8:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. S. You want to truely know what it's like to be an AU fan. In 2004, we beat the crud out of everyone. Didn't even sniff a chance at #1. AU luck, Ok and USC were one and two, never lost, had history on their side. UA starts off at #24, everyone and their brother loses in front of them, they jump to #2 in six weeks. Bama is a good team, but luck is on their side. I think they win it all. Anyone can be a bama fan, it takes character to be an AU fan... Tom Anon.

8:30 PM  
Anonymous tigerfan44 said...

I know this sounds crazy but you can't come out and say CTT gets one more year to straighten this out. How will recruits and OC candidates re-act to that. This is the crazy part, if you are going to keep him you just about have to give him an extension. Just for recruits knowing(thinking) their coach will be around for a while. Not a bigger by out just an extension.

8:30 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Agreed Mr S and FSJ. Bama beats Florida, I will be sold also. Right now, I don't see it. I think that Bama is a very good team that has had a very favorable schedule to this point when you look at it. The win at Georgia was impressive, but everything else just looks so so, especially in competition terms.

8:31 PM  
Blogger michael said...

if someone signs and extended contract, I think a buyout is pretty fair. Remember, Tubs also has to pay a buyout if he leaves for another school. That's just not making a whole lot of news right now for obvious reasons.

8:31 PM  
Anonymous tigerfan44 said...

michael do agree if we keep him we have to give him an extension.

8:33 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Salaries are ridiculous and there is an argument to be made that with ridiculous salaries come ridiculous expectations.

8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think Tubs heart is in it anymore. If you have ever had the same job for 10 years, I doubt you are as fired up in year 10 as you are in year 5. Tubs has to compete against several coaches that are new at their school and out to prove something. Tom anon.

8:35 PM  
Blogger michael said...

and I just want to make clear, since we are in the presence of a bammer (fsj), that there are a lot of bama fans that are just like the AU fans here. Sensible, realistic, and passionate. But, it is my opinion that, with bama being the default team to root for in this civilized state of alabama, it seems there are quite a few more moronic bama fans that I run into in every day life and on the internet.

anyway, I know this is kind of off subject, but I really want to avoid "bama fans this" and "auburn fans that" stuff. The absence of this is what I like about this blog.

8:35 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

eddie, this new anonymous is Tom not Tim. Tim has left I guess.

8:35 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Michael- I'm in a simillar line of business, I'm a controller for a construction company, and I will say this about the raise thing. There is a big difference in asking for a raise and finding another job in order to get a raise. It is perfectly acceptable to ask for a raise and you know going into it, that you will have to justify it. Raises can be justified two ways in this situation, performance or better offer.

I've heard this before and it is wise saying, "A company will pay you just enough to keep you." Don't expect anymore than that and cost of living adjustments.

I have had to jump jobs three times to get what I wanted, but I would never dare go to my current employer so that they would have the upper hand if something were to happen.

8:36 PM  
Blogger michael said...

it's not tom darnit. Tim is just having a bit of an identity crisis.

If you are going to go through that, why not change more than 1 letter, Tim? be creative.

8:38 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I'm not sure I would say his heart isn't in it anymore. I think the hiring of Tony Franklin was a sign he thought the team needed a fresh spark. It just didn't work out that way.

8:38 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

USC in five games has allowed 15 points I think? You can't blow off that accomplishment.

8:38 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I don't know, Michael. This Tom guy seems way more rational than Tim.

8:39 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Tim will always be Tim until he signs up or uses a name. It is easy to replace the anonymous with Tom :).

8:39 PM  
Blogger michael said...

Also on the Tubs situation, keep in mind we don't know all that went on. I don't know that he actually went to anyone and said, "Pay me or I walk." Seemed like his angle was to let rumors fester and then the salary took care of itself. I may be wrong about this, though.

8:40 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Tom Anon,

I am an Auburn fan.

LOL! I need to be more of a homer on the show. Several people think I'm not an Auburn fan.

8:40 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

So did Jay find a scoop on this Blackmon thing or is he killing people on Call of Duty?

8:40 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Mr. S- USC does not contol its own destiny, they need Oregon State to lose. If Oregon State doesn't lose, then USC does not go to the Rose Bowl.

8:40 PM  
Blogger michael said...

Tom is just a Tim in Tom's clothing, kristina. Don't buy his tricks.

8:40 PM  
Anonymous Zoo Keeper said...

OOO it is easy to replace your name.

8:42 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I have a feeling Jay is playing Call of Duty tongith. I'm surprised that he took time to talk to Mr. S on the show tonight.

8:42 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Mr. S- 4 Teams plays good defense:

Texas Tech- Underestimated
Alabama- Good D
Florida- Good D
USC- Great D

Georgia- They can't defeat air right now.

8:43 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Well they will be playing air this weekend so we'll find out.

8:44 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Eddie you are right. I was looking at the wrong thing.

Uhmm, that interview was pre-recorded. Hope that doesn't kill it for ya'll.

8:44 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

WHere is the call in segment of the Breakdown?

8:44 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Disregard my last post Mr. S- I now read where you said it wasn't live.

8:45 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

uh oh

8:45 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Kristina- They will be playing helium this weekend, that is less than air.

8:46 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

you boys and your periodic tables...

8:47 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Monica- I promise that I personally will not throw you under the bus for the rest of my phone calls into any radio show.

8:47 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

The Saturday show is live live live.

You can call in whenever you like. We go to callers as long as we don't have a guest on the line at that time.

We don't do canned interviews unless necessary on the Saturday show.

This was the only way the station would run the program and it was worth it to get it out there.

8:47 PM  
Blogger BlogTom said...

Ok Michael. Tom Anon is now BlogTom. Am I legit now...LOL

8:48 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

but you will encourage others and cheer them on - I know your game mister man :-)

8:48 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Did Monica get thrown again? I hope you have insurance...ok that was lame.

8:48 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Yay, blogtom! Welcome and don't let these crazies bully you. I had faith you were not Tim.

8:49 PM  
Anonymous Fake Steve Jobs said...

M I C.....K E Y.....MOUSE

8:49 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

lol nah, Kristina- I can take it. ;-)

8:51 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Welcome Blogtom- In order to prove your allegiance to the HABOTN Nation, you must call into the roundtable tomorrow, the radio show on 740AM that airs between 12-2pm and throw Monica under the bus. If you do that, you will get your name listed on the front page.

8:51 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

I play the NCAA stuff too much.

I know the names of Florida formations.

8:51 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Mr. S- PS3 or Xbox?

8:53 PM  
Blogger michael said...

Welcome blogtom. Nice to see your first post. Believe it or not, Tim was claiming his name was Tom earlier. Funny, the coincidences that life throws at us.

8:53 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Hi, welcome and War Eagle, BlogTom.

8:54 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

So Santa is bringing the animals here at the zoo a PS3. I hope he made the right choice.

8:54 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Xbox 360 Eddie

8:55 PM  
Anonymous DougA said...

hello hotties! ... hope all is well

8:55 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Doug Amos, you are the man (if that's you).

8:56 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I have a PS3, too bad, I'm always looking to play someone online. I need to invest in a XBOX i guess, but I have two PS3 due to the Blueray feature.

8:57 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Hey Dougie Doug and the Funky Bunch.

8:57 PM  
Anonymous DougA said...

it is me ... I am certainly A man, but most assuredly not THE man ... :)

8:58 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Hey Doug. What are your "sources" saying now?

Enjoy the show as usual, but please mention Monica more. It really lights up the boards here when you do.

8:58 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

I rarely get online with it. I got shot so many times on COD4 that I stay away from the online stuff.

8:59 PM  
Anonymous DougA said...

Monica!!!!!! ... how you be, my favorite hottie!!! (nothing personal Phred, sensy, eddie, fake, etc) :)

8:59 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

And don't ever let Fake Steve on the show again.

8:59 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I disagree Mr. S- I Put money on UT beating Vandy this year. Mark it down. It will also keep Vandy from being bowl eligible.

9:00 PM  
Anonymous dougA said...

i'm sticking by my guns that TT will not be the head coach next season ... not backing down now :)

9:01 PM  
Blogger BlogTom said...

To continue my thought about 6 mil buyout. We gave TT this after it was obvious he wasn't going to Arky or Texas A&M. Poor business decision. Limits our options. Don't blame TT, blame AU. AU had the upper hand in this case. Coaches come, coaches go, AU will always be there. If TT wanted to go, hit the road.

9:01 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

Doug,

Give me a regular segment. I only need a minute or two to throw Monica and Kristina under the bus...and to out them as the Bama fans they are....

9:02 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Douga- YOu need to drop us some lines during the show.

We can understand Monica being your favorite since she emails you non-stop, all the time.

9:02 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Eddie, I don't see UT winning another game this year.

UT and MSU are the only other teams with worse offenses than AU right now.

9:03 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Agee Blogtom.

9:03 PM  
Anonymous DougA said...

fake, I can't have you rippin into monica and kristina like that ... quite frankly, it's just plain un-American!

9:04 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Ha! I knew I liked you Doug!

9:05 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

You guys aren't going to like this.

9:05 PM  
Blogger BlogTom said...

Eddie. I don't call radio shows...It's like jeering the comic at the club. U have to remember, they have the mike, and the last word...LOL

9:05 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

What, Mr. S?

9:05 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I'm not basing my opinion on stats, i'm basing it on pride. I just think that it being Fulmer's last game, things will go his way.

Last week was a total disaster due to all the circumstances with Fulmer "retiring". THat causes a lot of distractions.

It was a good thing that the Bowden thing happened on a friday instead of middle of the week. We barely won against LA Tech and I remeber what a distraction it was for everyone on the team.

9:06 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

They really enjoy it. Kinda sick if you ask me. :-)

9:06 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Mr. S just said not to waster your money and go to the game this weekend because we have no chance of winning.

9:07 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Thank you, Doug!!!! Sheesh, I need somebody on my side.

9:07 PM  
Anonymous DougA said...

kristina, any animal lover is a friend of mine!!! :):):)

9:07 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Faker, I have just now gotten over your grave lack of judgment do not further my ire.

9:08 PM  
Anonymous dougA said...

can't imagine being on any other side!

9:08 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Good show Mr. S. I wish you much success. I would love to do what you are doing. I think it would be a blast.

9:08 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

I'm coming around to the possibility that Auburn has a chance this weekend. Of course, I'm the same idiot that was confident that Alabama would beat LSU by more than 10 pts.

9:08 PM  
Blogger BlogTom said...

Didn't they just extend Sly Croom's contract last year too. AU guys must negotiate everyone's contracts in the SEC. Firt TT, then Fulmer, and Croom.. That may add up to about 13 million. A lot to pay for mediocrity.

9:08 PM  
Blogger MrsFrontRim said...

Eddie, I agree with youaout UT. I think thoses guys will be on fire to give Fulmer one last win

9:08 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I can imagine being on the other side as can FSJ, and I believe we both prefer the other side. You have to be there to understand.

9:09 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Eddie - are you familiar with a ball gag?

9:09 PM  
Blogger Mr. Sensible said...

Thanks Eddie.

Actually, I said I don't think we have a good chance because we don't match up well, but stranger things have happened.

I'm hoping for strangeness.

9:10 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

You boys just don't know when to quit do ya?

9:10 PM  
Blogger BlogTom said...

Monica... That sounds really baaad.

9:10 PM  
Blogger MrsFrontRim said...

Sorry for my typing skills this evening, I promis to try harder

9:11 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Blogtom- The kiss of death is for a coach that is on shakey ground with the fanbase to get a raise and an extension. Just look at most of the coaches that have been fired the past couple of years.

9:11 PM  
Anonymous dougA said...

we need more emails! ... when we're on remote, email my cute little iPhone at dougamos1@gmail.com ... we hope to have Jay at Salsaritas Thursday and Bama Fever/Tiger Pride Friday! ... (might be too much to ask, but we're dreamin'!)

9:12 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Monica, I was gonna say I am always on your side...but then I remember you sold me out awfully quickly in the threadgate matter.

9:12 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Ballgag??? Can you send me an illustration :).

9:12 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Monica, I can't hold this in any longer, go check out our 800 + post.

9:13 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I will try to think of something witty and engaging to e-mail you doug.

9:13 PM  
Blogger BlogTom said...

True that Eddie. I think he is gone. Only thing that keeps him at AU is economics. Those millionairs lost money in the stock market too.

9:13 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I wish I lived in Montgomery, I would come by the onsite locations for the show. Sounds like fun.

9:14 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

DOuga- Once I get over the on air jitters, I'l try and call in more.

9:15 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

Kristina...Don't make me put the.......hex on you

HEX

9:15 PM  
Blogger Steve from Columbia said...

Will to. Will not. Will to. Will not.....

Oh, don't mind me. I was just writing up a short synopsis of some of the topics on here.

9:15 PM  
Anonymous dougA said...

witty and engaging is ALWAYS a good thing in my book ...

9:15 PM  
Anonymous dougA said...

love to have you Eddie!!!

9:16 PM  
Blogger BlogTom said...

Looks like I'll have to get me a picture. Maybe spongebob.

9:17 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Steve, you're telling me you have a pocket of spiritual energy or are you just happy to see me?

9:18 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

FSJ- Somebody needs to take this Needham character out. He is throwing the hex on the wrong team. Look at what it causes...sound familar? I find it every week on our offense.

9:19 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

I'm working on it, Eddie.

I don't blame you, Kristina. I wouldn't be on my side either. I'm trouble with a capital T.

9:19 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

oh and eddie you have waaay too much time on your hands, bud. ;-)

9:19 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Girl, you know I got your back. Big T or little t.

9:20 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Kristina- I definitely do right now. It goes in spurts in my line of business. This time of the year till January is usually slow, but after that, I can barely breathe.

9:21 PM  
Anonymous dougA said...

my guess is he's happy to see you, kristina!!!

9:22 PM  
Blogger Steve from Columbia said...

Well, let me make some predictions.

Tommy Tuberville will be Auburn's head football coach, unless he gets fired.

Auburn will beat Georiga, unless Georgia scores more points than we do.

Alabama will win the Mythical National Championship, unless they loose a game.

Phillip Fulmer will not be the head coach at Tennesse next season, unless ummm, well, there is a nuclear war targeting all head coaches in major college football and he is the sole survivor.

Glad I could clear all of that up.

9:22 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

SteveFC, are you a little underwhelmed with the comments tonight? ;-)

9:24 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

I love deep thoughts with Steve. You get your moneys worth everytime.

Better watch out, overflow cop will be on soon with a new thread.

9:24 PM  
Blogger Fake Steve Jobs said...

LOL at Kristina.

9:24 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I was just thinking we are getting awfully close to 200 here. Where is our fearless leader?

9:26 PM  
Blogger Steve from Columbia said...

Kristina, I am just kind of bored with the same questions lingering. We need some excitement, something to energize us for the rest of the season, something to add a spark of pizazz to the rest of the season. That being said, I stand by every mis-statement that I have made.

9:26 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

From earlier, Mr. S- Tubs has at least beat either Georgia or Alabama every year he has been here.

Let's just hope it works out the same way this year. I think that is why FSJ up our chances against THUGA.

9:26 PM  
Blogger Steve from Columbia said...

Where are the good ole days when we could count on Dubose or Shula making a creative call that lead us to victory? Man, I miss those days.

9:28 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

I hear ya, SteveFC. It is a bit monontonous.

9:29 PM  
Blogger eddie4au said...

Well, we can always start a rumor.

By the way Douga, what are your sources saying about Blackmon being no longer at AU.

9:29 PM  
Blogger Kristina said...

Wasn't that a rumor this summer? Maybe someone is just reaaaaaly behind.

9:30 PM  
Blogger Steve from Columbia said...

The best way to discribe my feelings about this offense is to say that there is not a single player on our offense that I think we would be in serious trouble if they couldn't play.

This season almost reminds me of the time leading up to the Tre Smith Iron Bowl. We pretty much had the entire backfield injured. I thought our level of screwedness was at an all time high. We need someone like Tre to come out and have a career game our two the remainer of the season.

9:32 PM  
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