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12.14.2008

Moving into Sunday

Hey everyone. The search is over. The first order of business is to thank the HOTTIES for making this the most exciting time in HABOTN history. I never in my life thought we'd have 10,000 pageviews in a day here.

We went way beyond that several times during the search. Thanks for your support.

HOTTIES > everyone else on Earth.

Enough of that. Let's get to business.

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Gene Chizik is the Auburn coach and that's that. As a casual glance through our comments section will show, opinions are pretty split about this hire.

Here are the advantages and disadvantages of this hire as I see them.

ON THE PLUS SIDE:

He has Auburn ties (SEC ties by default) and was an important part of the 2004 team that went 13-0.
He won a national title at Texas in 2005.
Defensive-minded guys always are welcomed at Auburn.
He's a disciplinarian.
He's passionate.

ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE:

He went 5-19 as head coach at Iowa State.
He probably was one poor year away from being fired there. The popular web site Coaches' Hot Seat listed Chizik as the nation's third most in-jeopardy coach. He was not a hot property.
He has no offensive identity.
Auburn will take a public-relations hit for turning down Turner Gill, a relatively successful black head coach, to hire a relatively unsuccessful white head coach.

INTERESTING READ: Matt Hayes of Sporting News, a guy whose work I respect, writes this morning that Auburn hired Chizik because of The Lowder Influence.

PLANE CRAZY: Chizik is due back in Auburn later today for a meeting with players. Auburn's newest jet left AUO early this morning and currently is stationed in Ames, Iowa.

UPDATE: Flight is due to arrive at AUO at 5:10 p.m.

Photo credit: Todd Van Emst/Auburn University

Questions? Comments? Post directly to the blog below or email me at jgtate@gannett.com.

254 Comments:

Unknown said...: Opinions are "split?"

I don't think they are "split." They approach unanimity as much as any hire possibly could when you throw out the "if Auburn hires a yellow dog, I'll still say it's great" posts.; 10:56 AM
Jay G. Tate said...: Tim, I respectfully disagree.

There actually are two factions of people who support this decision.

a.) The people who like Chizik

b.) The people who have decided to stand behind Chizik because he's the Auburn coach; 10:58 AM
FSJ said...: I'm still floored by this hire.

With that said, let me bring a moment of levity to HABOTN...

Apparently the visitor's lockerroom at UA is going to be named "The Fail Room"...

Fail Room

LMAO!; 11:00 AM
Unknown said...: Jay I get what you are saying. But can you think of another recent SEC hire that has gotten this much negative feedback? And I do NOT think AU fans are partcularly negative so I think that Chizik is getting more "benefit of the doubt" than a lot of coaches would get.; 11:00 AM
Jay G. Tate said...: I cannot remember a hire this controversial. I, too, am very surprised by what has gone down.

Can't wait to see how Jay Jacobs rationalizes Chizik's 5-19 record at Iowa State.; 11:02 AM
Anonymous said...: I hate to bring a negative subject from the previous board, but feel it is needed. I read at the end where racism was brought up. THis is my repost..addressed with all respect to Monica.

Mon...I don't think that it was racism. It was PTB ego. I think that the PTB hired someone that they can control. This article in the Sporting News nails it for me. The article suggests that no one else(including Gill)would accept.

http://today.sportingnews.com/sportingnewstoday/20081214/?pg=9&pm=1; 11:04 AM
Unknown said...: I just think we were led to believe that there was a big-time hire coming and though Chizik was a terrific assistant, there is some degree (maybe a LARGE degree) of letdown here.

When you are pushing the idea of a Spurrier or Muscahamp and you don't deliver there will be questions. That said, Chizik COULD be a fine coach. But AU looks very unlikely to "win the press conference" on this one.; 11:05 AM
astatguy said...: The test will be early. He's being sold as a coach with potential who had little to work with at ISU. If he can hang on to our committed players and we don't have a large drop out I'll feel better. My gut says there'll be a rush to the door. If he can convince some 4 and 5 star recruits to join our class I'll become a fan.; 11:05 AM
ron mexico said...: I think chizik should put together a rather strong defense next year. He will have a better corner tandem in powers and McFadden than he ever did in his years at auburn.

The O.C. will be a crucial hire and maybe since we got a head coach at a discount we can throw a few bucks at the next O.C. We can not afford to screw up this hire, or it's game over for quite a while.; 11:07 AM
astatguy said...: Chizik isn't that different from Muschamp, except for the losing seasons as head coach. Muschamp is an unknown quantity as head coach. I actually liked Chizik's defenses better. Muschamp's defenses often self-destruct at the end of games. LSU and Georgia here are good examples, along with TTech this year at Texas.; 11:08 AM
Jay G. Tate said...: Hoopie, that's a very intriguing article and I'll link it on the front. Thanks.; 11:10 AM
Jeremy Eubanks said...: Tim Tebow doesn't have an adams apple. Chizy does. Not sure what can be read into that, but thought I'd throw that out there.

HABOTN >all other sources of information.; 11:10 AM
Anonymous said...: Recruits gravitate to teams that have a loved coach. That bimbo kissing CN$ upon airport arrival may have done more for Bama recruiting than we realize.

We must get behind CGC. It's not easy for me b/c of the very issue I posted above. That's my problem. Not getting behind CGC will just cause more harm.

This coach has some definite strengths. We need a good support sysem to be built around him.; 11:10 AM
astatguy said...: I agree, Hoopie. Even if we think our baby's ugly we shouldn't say it.; 11:12 AM
bartcopeland said...: CGC's buyout was $750k

nah, money was no object; 11:12 AM
Miller said...: So, Hoopie... Are you saying we need a bimbo to meet and molest Chizik when he arrives in Auburn?; 11:13 AM
Miller said...: Jay G.,
Any leads on how he plans to fill out his staff?
Only thing I can think of that would make this any worse would be hiring Pat Nix as the OC and retaining Knox as the WR coach....; 11:15 AM
Scott M. Brannan said...: in time i'll be on board the Chizzle train. it's just a bit hard to swallow in less than 24 hrs the way it all went down.

that Sporting News article is extremely depressing. i have heard all the anti-Lower and TPTB comments for years. exactly HOW influential are these people? are their dollars would this much trouble? why doesn't somebody have the balls to stop this nonsense? are you telling me the president of a major university AND the athletic director are told what to do and how to do it? i can't wrap my head around that. it's ludicrous.; 11:15 AM
Anonymous said...: Ron Mex..I like your idea. Let's see...we should have at least $1mil left over for the best OC in the land.; 11:15 AM
wtc said...: After a night to calm down and rethink this, I do not think it is a bad hire. We could have done worse.

I am disappointed with the 5-19 (2-10 last year) hire to replace a 5-7 coach, but if he recruits well and wins, almost al the AU supporters will jump back on the bandwagon. Winning makes everyone happy.; 11:15 AM
Jay G. Tate said...: I'm aiming to get some answers to those questions today.; 11:15 AM
James in Auburn said...: I am definitely in group "B" and I'm trying to find a reason to be in group "A".

I also agree with what Hoopie said about TPTB and their ego.; 11:16 AM
Unknown said...: He said opinions are split, not evenly split. 90% against and 10% for is technically still "split"; 11:16 AM
Anonymous said...: Scottie....Several different victims have given me first hand accounts. Reading into Eddie's disdain and knowing his history with AU, he probably knows stuff also.

It is not good to air this out in this type forum. Funny how it surfaces every time the next round of unexplanable happens in AU football.; 11:21 AM
James in Auburn said...: I had really hoped the SACS debacle had neutered BL. If the SN article is halfway correct, then the state of affairs in Auburn are beyond pathetic.

Let's all remember, once upon a time BL went up against a GOVERNOR and won.

Something tells me when 2011 rolls around, BL is just one more large campaign contribution from another 12 year term.; 11:25 AM
AUsome said...: When I read that Sporting News article all I could think was "We are the Oakland Raiders of college football." Chizik has to work out, if he doesn't and we fire him it will really be a job no one wants.; 11:26 AM
Scott M. Brannan said...: agreed Hoopie. i know it has to all be true but it just doesn't make sense.

we as Auburn people take great pride in being and treating others as 'family'. for those who go against the betterment of Auburn and have their own agenda, i mean, that's what i just don't get. and for more qualified coaches to scoff at the idea of coming to Auburn because of the way 'things are'......is beyond sad and frustrating for me as an Auburn man.; 11:26 AM
James in Auburn said...: On another note, 10k page views is pretty impressive Jay G. That's a nice benchmark for any website. Grats!; 11:32 AM
Anonymous said...: Scottie....I'm convinced that the PTB love AU immensly. The problem is that it is a meglomaniacal love.; 11:36 AM
Anonymous said...: Is it more important for HCGC to have an offensive identity or that he allow the New AUOC to develop one through recruiting and coaching?; 11:37 AM
James in Auburn said...: Mr.S,

I think the hire of CGC will be made or broken with his selection of OC.

There is no question about the type of defense we can expect with CGC. That is one of the the things I like about this hire.; 11:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Mr.S..can I copy and use that avatar? I want to get on the Chizzle train.; 11:41 AM
Anonymous said...: Check your email Hoopie.; 11:44 AM
tigerfan44 said...: Who would be some good OC picks out there right now. Chuck Long is only name I am hearing. Are there any more on his level.

I guess better Question is what type offense does chizik like.; 11:46 AM
Anonymous said...: James, I agree.

I will say this. ISU, for all of their losses and such, fielded the 42nd ranked O in 2008. That's way above where we were for the last few seasons.; 11:47 AM
riskman108 said...: About what time do you think the plane will be arriving in Auburn? I am going to support our new coach with my Auburn shirt and Auburn hat and give him a big war eagle!; 11:56 AM
FSJ said...: Which one of you hotties is going to play the role of Collette?; 12:01 PM
BinOBA said...: HCGC is a great defensive coordinator. I'm hoping we can get a solid OC that can do something with the talent we have, as well as attract some new type of players through scheme and play calling. I'm not looking for anything groundbreaking. I just want someone who will "open things up" a little bit more. WR's getting involved with our offense would make me pee my pants.; 12:06 PM
Anonymous said...: Jay G. posted:
There actually are two factions of people who support this decision.

a.) The people who like Chizik

b.) The people who have decided to stand behind Chizik because he's the Auburn coach

Go ahead and put me on both groups. Call me crazy, but the more I think on this, the more I like it. It's crazy, strange, and bold.

Auburn's had enough of safe, in my opinion.

ScottieB, let's think of a Chizik shirt idea.; 12:07 PM
RunInRed63 said...: Hey Jay -

Any chance they'd spring a huge budget and go after a big name for OC (e.g., would TG take an OC position for 600k?) Especially given that Chizik has zero offensive backgrond?; 12:09 PM
riskman108 said...: So any ideas of when the plane is going to land?; 12:10 PM
riskman108 said...: Flight coming from Nashville Intl (KBNA) Arriving into Auburn at 3:06 PM? With a identification of N1255J? Do yall think that is the plane?; 12:17 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: That is not the plane.

Auburn's plane is in Ames waiting to take Chizik to AUO ...; 12:22 PM
Matt W said...: I've had nearly 24 hours to get over my disappointment. I thought Auburn should have hired Gill (or someone who has seen some success as HC), but it's clear that the power structure at Auburn is a major negative for a lot of prospective candidates.

I liked Chizik as a coordinator (loved his defenses). Iowa State is a terrible program, and I have somewhat bought into the theory that he just didn't have time to turn it around there. And now it's time to stand behind him as Auburn's HC. I look forward to hearing who his assistants will be.

War Eagle.; 12:23 PM
Unknown said...: Lets hope that someone makes a substitution when the plane arrives. Get rid of Billy Joe Bob the loud mouth drunk. I am sure Billy Joe Bob clips will have already surfaced from when Jacobs returned, but it would be event more detrimental if Billy Joe Bob put on his redneck hillbilly act when Coach Chiz arrived.; 12:29 PM
Unknown said...: I would also like to hope that the people bashing Jacobs would lay off. I say this for several reasons. First, I think he chose as about as good a candidate as we had on the list Jay G put together.

Also, I don't know how well any of us would handle Jacob's job with the hand of the BOT shoved so far up into our anal cavity.

And do not forget Pat Dye. He likely had a lot to do with making the happen. You might refer to him as Patrick "Q" Dye for a while.; 12:38 PM
scottatl said...: Jay,

One question that has not been answered is this:

How many people were offered the job before CGC accepted, and turned it down?

It had to be a few because we obviously could have had him the day after Tubs left.....i mean its not like anyone else was going after him; 12:38 PM
Unknown said...: And for those of you who were against Paul Johnson, he was by far the highest profile coach that seemed to be in consideration and might be receptive. Mike Leach would be the only other one that came close.

Nobody on Jay's list came close to those two, and the article linked to Jay's blog explains why. It also explains why getting rid of Tuberville was such a bonehead move.

As for Gil, his best season as a head coach he wins one less that CTT did on average. Didn't he have one winning season as a head coach and no ties to Auburn?; 12:42 PM
dnatl said...: It's also not like Chizik was busy with bowl preparations either...; 12:43 PM
Unknown said...: scottatl, that is a very good question. I think the article linked to this blog gives you some idea. Successful coaches view Auburn has a tough gig. They wouldn't mind it being tough in terms of opponents. It is just a bad environment to work in. I reference Billy Joe Bob at the airport as exhibit A.; 12:44 PM
Unknown said...: People also tend to refer to me as upbeat. I don't think of myself as such. I think I try to act in the best interest of Auburn and react to facts rather than speculation. How good of hire coach Chiz turns out to be is yet to be seen.

Speculate if you like about Gil or Muschamp, but that is non-productive. Making racial accusations should help a lot.

The best thing for Auburn is to give Chizik at least 5 years to show what he can do. A big name hire would likely get less time, but when you go for the young up an comer that doesn't have the experience of a Dye, Bowden, or Tuberville, you have to give them time.; 12:52 PM
Kris said...: If we couldn't get anyone but Chizik to be HC, what makes anyone think we are going to be able to attract a big name OC? I said it yesterday, but at this point I would not be suprised to see Borges back on the sidelines.; 12:57 PM
eaglesteeler said...: AU has been very good the last 26 years picking an AU football coach. Even Bowden brought us an undefeated season.

the only ? I have is Chizik, had NO success at Iowa St. Even Dye at East Carolina, Wyoming and CTT had quick turnarounds at the schools they coached. Gill had success at Buffalo.

I just don't know (and why I question this hire) how CGC showed he can HC a winning successful program on the scale of AU.

plese give me ur insight....; 12:57 PM
John Stubbs said...: Jay i've read two things that disturb me about chizik:

1) he's a poor recruiter

2) he's a little abrasive and hard to like

What's your read?; 1:00 PM
Unknown said...: eaglesteeler, even Gill had only very limited success. None of the candidates on Jay's list had the success of Dye, Bowden, or Tuberville prior to coming to Auburn.

Kris, I think Borges will be high on the list of potential OCs.; 1:02 PM
BinOBA said...: You think billy joe bob makes it hard to coach at auburn? Do you know who bobby lowder is? He makes it hard to coach at auburn, him and a couple other little old lady types that are meddlesome good ole boys with nothing more to do than say " look at me and what my wallet can do". JJ getting bashed is in direct correlation to his willingness to be a mere symptom of a much worse overall disease.; 1:03 PM
Unknown said...: John Stubbs, Chizik is the head coach, so it is pointless to argue whether he should be the choice. I can argue why Chizik is the best choice or why Gil is the best choice, or why Muschamp would be the best choice, but it is pointless. All of them are the wildcard type of hire.

What will be interesting is the staff he assembles.; 1:05 PM
Unknown said...: BinOBA, whether you like it or even believe it, Lowder and Jacobs are trying to do what is in the best interest of Auburn. You can also throw coach Pat Dye into that list. He is a close friend of Lowder's. Bashing Lowder and Jacobs do not help Auburn.; 1:07 PM
riskman108 said...: http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KAUO

plane arrives to Auburn at 5:10; 1:16 PM
BinOBA said...: Hitler felt he was doing what was in the best interest of Germany. All i'm sayin is positions shouldn't be bought on a BOT and handed out to "yes men".; 1:16 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: The plane is scheduled to leave Ames at 3:10 pm CST and arrive in Auburn at 5:10 CST; 1:17 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: somebody get out to the airport and give ol' Chizzie a big wet welcome kiss; 1:18 PM
Unknown said...: BinOBA, do you really feel comparing Lowder to Hitler is fair?; 1:18 PM
Unknown said...: Actually Jay, N10AU is the newest AU jet... it's a Cessna CitationJet. 20RU is the older Citation Bravo (formerly 20AU). It's for sale and when they sell it, they will get another CJ2 to replace it.; 1:20 PM
Just Win AU said...: I know we pay the $750K buyout, but does anyone the know how much and how long on the Chizik hire?; 1:23 PM
FSJ said...: TarHeel...

I agree...Any Hotties in Auburn? If so, get your butts over there and welcome the new coach.; 1:24 PM
eaglesteeler said...: I don't think Borges should be the answer Steve. If i remember, he didn't recruit. And I think his West Coast offense was not very explosive (of course our offensive recruiting lacked the last 3 yrs).

I hope that they look for an OC than can bring what the High school players are used too and which is diverse.; 1:26 PM
Unknown said...: Jay, simple 2 part yes or no question. Do you think muschamp was offered the HC job, and do you think he originally said yes until FIX10 in Mobile leaked it? As for GC, as i said last night, I will support the guy, until he proves I should not. I did this for CTT, until this year, when our team did not improve from game to game, like any team should, including peewees, and CTT showed very little emotion in the IB, indicating to me he kinda knew what was coming. Iowa St. is a horrible place to visit/play, trust me, I've been there, so I can easily see why recruits would not be revved up to go to Ames. His southern ties, Clemson, Central Fl., AU, HC coach in FL. should help in 'crutin.; 1:28 PM
Jeremy Eubanks said...: On the bright side, Auburn's coach isn't talking about his dream job at Notre Dame a couple of weeks out from a HUGE game for his team.; 1:29 PM
Unknown said...: eaglesteeler, do you feel Borges would stay with Auburn for the long haul?

Do you think Borges was given free reign to do as he saw fit on offense?

Do you favor a spread offense?; 1:29 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: Landon,

Any chance they'll sell N20RU before it gets to AUburn and divert it and all contents to the new owner?; 1:29 PM
Jaiden_S said...: I'm going to agree with Tim. I doubt opinions are "split." In fact, I don't know anyone who thinks this hire is a good thing. While I'm sure a lot of AU fans will come around eventually, right now we're all still shellshocked.; 1:29 PM
Unknown said...: Just Win AU, I have heard Chizik will make $2 Million a year, which is a bit higher than I thought our head coach would get, but not unreasonable.

Does anyone know the length of his contract?; 1:31 PM
Quitstina said...: Faker, as I posted yesterday. I would have to be drunker than Collete was to show up at that airport...

That being said. I am done ranting. I am ready to be chiziked...Whatever that heck that means!; 1:32 PM
Unknown said...: Jaiden, I think opinions are very split. Some appear to have already judged the hire without seeing how the new coaches does or even who he chooses as a staff.

Do you feel that we can judge this hire without seeing how he performs at Auburn?; 1:32 PM
Unknown said...: Okay, I am willing to contribute to the get Kristina drunker than Colette fund. Who's with me?; 1:34 PM
George Huckabay said...: Any word on who Chizik will name as OC or DC.; 1:34 PM
Unknown said...: Kristina, the only requirement is that you go up to Chizik, kiss him on the cheek and say "We're ballin baby, we're ballin baby".; 1:35 PM
Unknown said...: Does anyone think Rodney Garner would be a good choice as DC? Since Chizik is obviously an outstanding DC, would Garner make sense in this situation?; 1:37 PM
Quitstina said...: Deposit those funds in my offshore account Steve and I'll see you on youtube!; 1:37 PM
BinOBA said...: I compared two people who did what they did in "the best interest" for their perspective parties. I hope CGC can come in and get us a sure fire OC that can generate some more quality touches for our young football team. THAT is what i'm here to talk about. I think he's a great coach and hope he can get the guys he wants to play for him. He is more of a pressure guy than rhoads which is a relief to me, we need more blitzing, speaking of things german.; 1:38 PM
Kris said...: Like most of you after learning of this hire, I jumped off the imaginary top of the highest building around. Somewhere between the ledge and the ground, I found a reason to pull the cord and deploy the parachute. That reason is simple: For better or worse, I am an Auburn Tiger. It runs through my veins, an inextricable part of my very being. It is something that cannot be taken away by meglomaniacal trustees, crappy football teams, the national media, incompetent atheletic directors nor jeers from other fans (most of whom have absolutely nothing of themselves invested in their school). Regardless of his record, Coach Chizik wanted to take this job because he believes in Auburn and believes Auburn can help him do what Iowa State could not-win. For all of his apparent lack of basic walking around sense, Jay Jacobs was willing to gamble his career on Chizik being right. As such, I will stand behind Coach Chizik and do everything I can to help him help Auburn. After all, that is what families do.; 1:41 PM
FSJ said...: SFC...

The Inebriate Zoo Keeper fund only requires Boone's Farm so it shouldn't take too much money to fully fund the operation...

;-); 1:42 PM
eaglesteeler said...: Steve...

Do you feel Borges would stay....Yes, i think he is past getting a HC job; his wife is still working for AU

Do you think Borges was given free reign: Yes, CTT does not do AU, unless they are NOT working. CTT's problem with the offense under Borges was the offensive recruiting and Borges didn't recruit.

Do you favor a spread offense: NOT totally ala TT, but a mix such as Okla.

That's why i think we need an OC that is versatile in that area and WILL recruit QBs, WRs, and RBs...; 1:42 PM
Quitstina said...: Actually, faker, minus the boone's farm, that's pretty accurate. The zoo keeper is a lightweight ;-); 1:43 PM
FSJ said...: Good..

Get over there and start screaming "We goin' bowlin!"; 1:44 PM
Quitstina said...: Is the line "ballin" or "bowlin"? If I'm gonna make a fool of myself, I wanna do it properly.; 1:46 PM
FSJ said...: well ballin' don't make sense unless she was trying to pick him up...; 1:48 PM
Unknown said...: eaglesteeler, you have a very good point about recruiting. More specifically, mistakes were made in terms or recruiting receivers and the choices made of who to redshirt. We graduated a crap load of good receivers in 2004 and 2005. We had little left after that. We have good receiver talent now, but it hasn't been developed very well.

I am not as focused on what offense we run as I am on how well we coach the players. This last season our team looked unprepared on offense. That was true to some degree the previous couple of years too.

My question with Borges isn't if his offense will work or even if he is very knowledgeable. My question is how good of a teacher is he? Part of the issue may have been with Greg Knox, but I saw comments from receivers suggesting they didn't understand what Borges was wanting to see.

I don't believe Borges would be a bad hire, but we do need to make sure recruiting is covered.; 1:51 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: Thanks for the clarification, Landon.

As for Muschamp, I've got nothin for you there. A Mobile TV station didn't get this right ...; 1:51 PM
Unknown said...: Referencing the Colette playbook, the term was ballin. Why? It was beyond me. I think Saban was pretty shocked and has probably added some security to ensure that doesn't happen again. If I had been him, I would have been scared out of my whits wondering if the lady was a psycho. I had a similar type lady show up at my hotel room years ago hiding a bottle behind her back. I nearly soiled myself.; 1:55 PM
AUBigCat said...: Well I have had a night to sleep on this horrible decision and UNLIKE some of my fellow HOTTIES, I just cant drink the kool-aid yet. Regardless of what he did 3-4 years ago, he was nothing less than a failure as a HC. He hired his friends to his staff and they were aweful. Now we reward him with our HC job?? He has done nothing to prove he has a clue how to be an effective HC. If his SEC ties is the thing that gave him a leg up then we are about to see how much more important that is than hiring one of several candidate that actually were successful HCs. I just dont see how blindly supporting every dumb decision our administrators make is helpful to our university. It seems that this is contributing to the preception problem that we have. That problem is not only nationally, it has become local (i.e. Statewide); 1:56 PM
FSJ said...: Steve:

I just went and found the clip..

One time she is show saying "we going bowlin baby"

Then later they come back to her and she says "we ballin...we ballin"

So we are both right.. ;-)

Damn skank; 1:58 PM
Unknown said...: AUBigCat, why would you judge him before he has even set foot on campus, made a hire, or coached a game at Auburn?

Why would you judge his ability as a head coach after a short stint of coaching some else's players?

Why do you feel that this pre-judging of the head coach we will have for the next 4 or 5 years is beneficial?; 2:08 PM
Unknown said...: AUBigCat, nobody we interview has been a successful head coach.; 2:09 PM
scott,will not,from tucson said...: jgt, now that the results are known would you share your heisman votes?; 2:10 PM
Unknown said...: Kristina, it appears that the bowlin, ballin call is a situational thing. Maybe a mixture would be appropriate.; 2:10 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I need to get that Heisman up here. Lemme get on that ...; 2:12 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: Haven't had time to read through yet but wanted to commment. I was actually in Auburn yesterday when the ESPN announcement came....most were not believing it.
We have to hire a search firm for that? My first reaction was maybe he was the only one that could work with this board. What a sad commentary; 2:13 PM
Anonymous said...: WR recruiting and development is the single largest problem with our offense(s). Regardless of the OC or "system", the defense's ability to crowd the line, stuff the run/short passes and still cover our WRs deep has thwarted all playcalling.

Go watch the films...game after game and watch it happen.

See if this sounds familiar for the past 3 years....We start each game and score some, then get stuffed in the middle quarters of the game. Some games we were able to score against nickel and dime packages(especially BCox) at the end of the game.

Chizzle is gonna have to stop that trend. Recruit, transfer, develop receivers that know fundamentals and can get seperation.

BTW, Steve you should be happy to notice from my new avatar(courtesy of Mr.S) that I am on the Chizzle Train.; 2:15 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: For all the Hotties that don't know...JayG gave a big shout out in the Montgomery Advertiser today!! Lots of comments in the paper from the blog and I am not sure if the regular readers appreciated some of the inside regulars!! Kristina lead the way!!!; 2:17 PM
AUBigCat said...: Steve you know it's not pre-judging when a person has a recod/history. He made ISU worse. He hired his buddies and the admin there made him fire them. He consistently lost to teams that were way less talented than his. Why would you devote such blind faith to a candidate that is obviously unqualified? How does that help our program?; 2:21 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: I like to plan ahead. Where can I get tickets to the 2009 Independence Bowl featuring ISU vs AU?; 2:23 PM
AUBigCat said...: Steve there might not have been many successful HCs that interviewed for our job but there was no one that was as UNsuccessful as this hire.; 2:25 PM
J. Kev said...: Jacobs should be disemboweled and his entrails used to feed stray dogs.

Put his head on a stick at the entrance to Samford Hall. Demolish his home and salt the earth.; 2:25 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: I scanned in my Heisman ballot.

I posted it behind this thread. Check it out if you're so inclined.; 2:27 PM
KJtiger said...: Does anyone know if this job was offered to anyone else? I cannot believe we hired a search firm to find gene. Is Auburn that bad of a place or do we keep tripping over ourselves? Are we really mediocre? Are AU fans the only ones that think we are something? Did we just hire a coach that was 5-19? These are all questions that I have today and probally will have for many days to come. I feel like I am leonardo watching my ship sink. Au had an oppurtunity to make a statement and boy it sure did. Well I guess the only good news is the chizzer has only one way to go and that is up. I miss the "live to punt" days already.; 2:27 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: I didn't talk to anyone at church in Gump today who was happy with everything that has gone down. How does that help a fan base who is already struggling?; 2:27 PM
Quitstina said...: Maybe I should make it original and just yell "CHIZIK ME BABY!"; 2:28 PM
barkley for governor said...: You know you got an unproven coach when the newspaper can't even spell his name right.

Jay, have you seen the front page of the online edition of the Advertiser?; 2:29 PM
Quitstina said...: WEG, we made the paper?!? Is it in the sports section?; 2:31 PM
Unknown said...: AUBigCat, what is it that you feel he did to make Iowa State worse? Why do you judge him based upon two seasons at a program he hadn't had an opportunity to make an impact upon? I am kind of baffled by your blind faith comment? Where is that coming from?; 2:31 PM
FSJ said...: Lord help us all if she made the paper....; 2:32 PM
J. Kev said...: This may be the dumbest statement I've ever seen:

BinOBA, whether you like it or even believe it, Lowder and Jacobs are trying to do what is in the best interest of Auburn.

Someone who says something like that shouldn't be allowed to reproduce.; 2:33 PM
Unknown said...: J. Kev, you certainly have some unique views on what is best for Auburn. What about Jacobs is bothering you?; 2:35 PM
Unknown said...: J. Kev, sorry that the truth isn't something you are familiar with.; 2:37 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: plane hasn't left Ames. could he be having second thoughts?; 2:38 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: or perhaps his motorcade to the airport is being slowed by all the ISU well wishers.; 2:39 PM
barkley for governor said...: Why are some people trying to defend Chizzle?

I think Jay said it best when he said this was an indefensible hire. Let people vent, everyone is entitled to their opinion. If they don't like the hire it doesn't make them any less of an Auburn fan.; 2:39 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: Yes,Hottie shoutouts in Section A page 17:

Kristina
Steve from Columbia
barkley for governor
Dan
Brian
Krewe
ddragon
Peter Frankenbummer
AU1N04
Kirk Lazarus
Michael

Congratulations you are all famous now!!; 2:42 PM
J. Kev said...: What about Jacobs is bothering you?

Besides that he draws breath? Okay, I'll play.

1. He's an incompetent fool, way out of his depth for the job. His two qualifications for being hired were apparently raising money and being a stooge for Lowder.

2. He ran off the best swimming coach in the country.

3. The football, basketball and baseball programs have either stagnated or regressed under his leadership.

4. I think he's a bald-faced liar. And I think he was flat out lying when he said that he and Tommy prayed together. If I'm right about that, he's a blasphemer.

5. I thought Tuberville needed to go, but to have no plan in place for a replacement is unfathomable. And consider this: if the best we can do is a 5-19 coach who's lost 10 games in a row (and under whom the ISU program has regressed), what does it say about Auburn's reputation? What does it say about the state of the Athletic Department (and BoT) and the guy who heads it?

That about covers it just now.; 2:43 PM
Jet said...: Izzle, izzle, War Damn Chizzle!

Kick 'em in the butt, Big Blue!

Hey!

--

OK, I'm trying. I leave town for three days and this happens.

It's not my choice, much less in my top 10, but I'll go to war with someone who's coming in ready to work like a maniac. So I'll give him that.

If Tubs decided to retire after an undefeated season, we'd be jumping up and down about this.

But you can't hide the past two years off the resume. Only one thing left to do -- do the work.; 2:44 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: jay G --- any idea on a time table on staff?

What's the recruiting calender this time of year??; 2:44 PM
FSJ said...: No FSJ?

Must be a conspiracy.. ;-); 2:44 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: He draws breath?

What a P.O.S.

Jay, I'll be rethinking my association with this group after reading that someone wants Jay Jacobs to be dead.; 2:45 PM
Unknown said...: There is nothing to defend with Chizik. He hasn't done anything as the Auburn head coach, so it really doesn't make much sense to defend or bash him.

Do what is in the best interest of Auburn is what is important. Why not to eat our own can be explained by reading the link Jay provided with this blog.; 2:46 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: Sorry...No FSJ
You'll have to take that up with JayG; 2:46 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Chizik's defenses didn't get blasted by UGA every year, that's for sure.

Anyone remember the 2006 game where AU was playing for a BCS bowl game and UGA was under .500?; 2:47 PM
Denny Crum said...: Jay G, I am addressing your first post about Chizik. While I don't dislike Chizik, I am not that warm and fuzzy about him. I do remember he was a VERY important part of the 13-0 season. He has never lost to Alabama. As important as Petrino was in beating Alabama in 2002, Chizik was equally as important. Chizik has won a national championship. Going to Ames was a bad decision on his part. His positives outweigh his negative. So call me neutral about liking or disliking him. He is an disciplinarian, I like that alot.

I am more in 'b.' I am one of the people who have decided to stand behind Chizik because he's the Auburn coach.; 2:48 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: Chris-
I posted link to recruiting calendar yesterday but I'm atwork and don't have it. I do remember dead period is Dec 22 through Jan 1.; 2:49 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: JAY G -- since everyone's getting former player's reaction, someone call RODNEY GARNER!!!; 2:50 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 2:50 PM
Quitstina said...: I think they just used the first person to post's comments regarding the hire. So just be quicker the next time we hire someone with a 5-19 record, faker.; 2:50 PM
AUBigCat said...: Before GC got to ISU, they were about a 7 win team since 2000. The year before he got there they went 4-8. They only got worse after that. He had 2 years to have a better record than 4-8 and he lost to teams that he had much better talent than. The criticism of him as a HC is more than justified. The blind faith comment was not ment to be personal, none of this is. It's just frustrating that the season is over but we keep losing and fans are expected to stand behind this hire because he is our HC now.; 2:51 PM
barkley for governor said...: You usually hire people based on what they have done, not what they may be able to do.; 2:52 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: Chris, jkev's opinions are pretty out there ... but I'm not sure he's breaking a HABOTN rule with it ...; 2:52 PM
FSJ said...: Well Zoo Keeper....

I was doing the best I could under the circumstances...

I was out and about posting from my iPhone...

This place is addictive... My wife just looks at me like I am crazy when i start talking about HABOTN..

She doesn't get it.; 2:53 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: jkev - are you alright? I love Auburn and football but we are talking 18-20 year old kids and a game - don't be so foolish to talk about someone that way and get on the FBI most wanted list; 2:54 PM
Jay G. Tate said...: Chizik due to arrive at AUO at 5:10 p.m.; 2:54 PM
Jet said...: I wanted Sizzle. We got Chizzle.

So I'm pulling for Chizzle. And as much as I wanted Boom, and as much as I wanted a change at head coach, my love and support for Auburn aren't predicated on who's the coach - unless he's a criminal. My support for the coach is predicated on performance -- not at Iowa State, Texas, Buffalo or wherever, but at Auburn.

I will always love Auburn.; 2:55 PM
FSJ said...: Ok..since nobody else will do it..I will drive down to Auburn and welcome Chizik properly..

After all I am the biggest fan of the hire over here..

;-); 2:55 PM
War Eagle Girl said...: We need a nickname for Chizik....anyone?; 2:56 PM
KJtiger said...: Jay do you think anyone besides media will be there?; 2:56 PM
AUBigCat said...: Steve to say that we should not speak against this hire because "He hasn't done anything as the Auburn head coach" is like saying that the economy might be ok because there are no foreclosures in your neighborhood. There are many other signs that point to why this is not a good hire.; 2:56 PM
Jet said...: Instead of hatin' on AU folks, let's turn our attention on the true enemy.

The new slogan:

Help Faker Meet His Maker!

Just kiddin', FSJ.; 2:57 PM
FSJ said...: Jet:

That's what I am worried about...

My maker wearing orange and blue...

;-(; 2:58 PM
KJtiger said...: Chizzer? Chiznik? And when we win we scream you got Chizzed. Since we are taking the place of MSU we should have an appropriate term.; 2:58 PM
Monica said...: Exactly how do you go about getting rid of a Lowder?; 3:00 PM
AUBigCat said...: Can we establish one thing up front, that all of us love and support of AU and that it is not predicated on who the football coach is any more than it is predicated on who the equestrian coach is. That is so not the point.; 3:00 PM
Unknown said...: AUBigCat, how many of the players he was playing did he recruit?; 3:01 PM
Jet said...: Anyone get the feeling that the scene at the airport is going to be like when Sheriff Bart rode in to Rock Ridge for the first time?

We offer this laurel and hearty handshake to our new ... Chizzle.

... Will someone please help that poor man?; 3:01 PM
FSJ said...: LOL Jet...

So wrong...

;-); 3:03 PM
Unknown said...: AUBigCat, how do you feel trashing the Auburn coach, atheltic director, board of trustees, and anyone else associated with the Auburn athletics will improve things?; 3:03 PM
AUBigCat said...: Steve what difference does that make?? He was the HC and it was his job to win with the talent he had. Before he got there those were 7 win teams. You telling me the talent just up and left? He knew ISU was not ever going to be a major draw for the top talent and they were still a successful program before he got there.; 3:04 PM
KJtiger said...: Foshizzle coach chizzle!; 3:05 PM
Jet said...: BigCat, sadly, it seems it needs to be the point for a handful.

Listen, I'm was as disappointed as anyone yesterday. I nearly let this ruin a 20th anniversary trip.

A decent night's sleep and a spoonful of perspective reminded me that it might be wise for me to see what happens this fall than to hold my breath and stomp my feet.

We're all dealing with it in our own ways. That's all. Mine's no better than anyone else's.; 3:05 PM
Monica said...: BigCat - I totally understand and agree with what you're saying. You're right - it's so not the point.; 3:06 PM
Mr. Spock said...: I say we call him "The Chizinator"; 3:06 PM
AUBigCat said...: Steve how do you feel covering up their inadequecies will improve our program? Is pointing to their record of failures the same as trashing?; 3:07 PM
barkley for governor said...: Steve, it's not the fans job to improve things. That's what the people who get paid are supposed to do. The fans just watch it play out. If they want to give their opinion, they give it. If you don't agree with it, don't act like you are above them, or a better fan.; 3:07 PM
J. Kev said...: Lowder's final term expires in 2011.

He would have been out by 2009 but Troy King (not that there's anything wrong with that) went in the tank for him.; 3:08 PM
Unknown said...: AUBigCat, talent leaves. It is called graduation or at least running out of elligibility. What specifically that Chizik did at Iowa State is bothering you? Is it the selection of his staff, offensive style, defensive style? What is it that he did, not what the team did?; 3:08 PM
eaglesteeler said...: Steve,

I can help outAUBigCat.

When a HC comes in to jump start a program or take it to a new level you expect it to show in upset wins or an improved record.

at IA St Chizik's predecessor won 5 out of 7 seasons. Chizik's record the next 2: 5-19. He lost to Kent St and other weak teams. Why did he not MAINTAIN the prior level or improve on it?

That is what concerns many of us. He's here and I'll support him, but I have a serious prblem with how JJ and others communicate to us or keep info from us.; 3:12 PM
AUBigCat said...: Jet I hear ya and I will still cheer just as hard next year. But I just cant say this program is getting better nor can I defend these decisions by towing the company line.

Mo thanks for understanding.

All..my rant is not ment to be disrespectful of anyones opinion of this hire. I just expect better common sense approaches to solving problems from the University that I love.; 3:12 PM
Unknown said...: barkley, the fans are a big part of the impression of the Auburn program that is described in the article linked to this blog.

Chizik was also thought to be the hottest possible head coaching candidate in the country after 2004.

I have not seen anyone list anything that he did that bothered them. This simplistic way of evaluating a coach based purely on the number of wins he had in a couple of season with players someone else recruited is just plain ridiculous.

Also, to suggest than fan support has nothing to do with the success of the program is equally ridiculous.

What did you not like about the plan Chizik presented to Jacobs?

What did you like about the plan Gill presented?; 3:13 PM
J. Kev said...: What specifically that Chizik did at Iowa State is bothering you?

You realize the Iowa State program got worse under his stewardship, right?

I mean, surely you realize that.; 3:13 PM
eaglesteeler said...: steve,

Do you think this is the BEST hire for AU? You seem to question others who are unsure on how the CHizik resume shows he can COACH a team, not COORDINATE a defense.

His recruiting ranking was not good either, so what quality players did he bring in?; 3:16 PM
AUBigCat said...: What specifically did he do that is bothering me??? He lost to the point that after two years their fans, media, etc were happy to see him go.

Coaching at AU should be a reward for proven success, not an entitlement for not pissing off the BOT when you were an assistant; 3:17 PM
JgobravesHAG said...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8dxvwG5BVY
The heckling video...listen to like 1:00- 1:06 JJ comments on PAt Nix to one of his mates, i can't make out the words though.; 3:17 PM
JgobravesHAG said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 3:17 PM
Jet said...: BigCat, I can't say the program is getting better either. But that's why we were making a change anyway.

Will it work out? I have no idea.

My guess is that Chizik is a lot better coach than 5-19, but the problem -- always the problem -- is the perception.

I concede a portion of the argument of Boom vs. Chizik stats, but that perception thing is what makes the difference.

If we were to introduce Boom tomorrow, and you would have heard nothing but what a sharp, young coach who'll do great things.

With Chizzle, it will be nothing but doubt.; 3:17 PM
Unknown said...: eaglesteeler, Kent State beat Buffalo, so Gil is apparently not so good either.

Has this program improved? Certainly not. We took a huge step backward when Franklin was hired. We took an even huger step backward whe he was fired in the middle of the season. We totally lost it when we trashed and fired Tuberville, a coach that was viewed as very successful.

The mistake wasn't the hiring of Chizik. The list of candidates weren't impressive and they weren't impressive for a reason. I didn't see much difference between any of them. They are all unproven.; 3:18 PM
barkley for governor said...: "Also, to suggest than fan support has nothing to do with the success of the program is equally ridiculous."

I never said that, Steve. I said it is not the fans jobs to improve the program, people get paid to do that. Fans obviously have an impact on the program, but they don't have a responsibility to support whoever is hired.

What do I not like about Chizzle? Well I've said several times I wanted us to make a splash or make an improvement. Chizzle does neither. I realize you will probably say it's not about what I want, and I realize that, but this is MY opinion.; 3:18 PM
J. Kev said...: This simplistic way of evaluating a coach based purely on the number of wins he had in a couple of season with players someone else recruited is just plain ridiculous.

That sort of jibes with the comment you made the night of the Iron Bowl, in essence that it's "ignorant" to judge a coach's success based on wins and losses.

But back to Chiz at ISU: since a W-L evaluation is "simplistic," what factors should we use to evaluate him?

As a follow-up, what about his track record as a head coach makes you think he was the best candidate for this job?

I'll hang up and listen.; 3:18 PM
barkley for governor said...: I should say they don't have a responsibility to support the decision, not support who is hired. I think we all should support Chizzle.; 3:19 PM
Monica said...: Once again Thomas Jefferson gives us the answers for how to correct the Republic of Auburn:

When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.
- Thomas Jefferson; 3:21 PM
JgobravesHAG said...: Philip Lutzenkirchen Is on his way home from the university of tennessee. It was awesome!

GREAT.; 3:22 PM
Unknown said...: Auburn fans are choosing to add to the doubt rather than judge the coach based upon what he actually does. To use the simplistic method of choosing a coach only based upon a team he coached for a couple of years doesn't make much sense. Judge him by what decisions he makes for Auburn.

I am unaware of the plans that were presented by the coaching candidates. Those plans are what was used to determine who to hire. Without some knowledge of those plans, I cannot begin to evaluate Chizik.

I am not saying he will be great or bad. I am saying there is too little information to judge at the moment.

I do know that being negative brings negative results.; 3:22 PM
Denny Crum said...: Chris,

Don't let one comment by a relative new comer make you rethink your association with the HABTON.

1998- 3 wins 8 losses
1999- 4 wins 7 losses
2000- 9 wins 3 losses. won the Insight.com bowl
2001- 7 wins, 5 losses, lost to bammer in shreveport
2002-7 wins 7 losses, lost the humanitarian bowl.
2003-2 wins 9 losses
2004-7 wins 5 losses won the independance bowl
2005-7 wins 5 losses, lost the houston bowl
2006-4 wins 8 losses.

Please someone tell me how Chizik ran this train wreck of a program into the ground. AUBIGCAT, your one of my favorites out there, but your facts on the ISU program do not appear to be correct. It was not a 7 win program before CHizik got there. It was a below .500 program. It pretty much has always been that. ISU's best record in 10 years was 9-3 other than that, a few 7 wins and alot of losing years. If I recall correctly 9-3 by CTT was considered mediocre. 9-3 by ISU is Awesome. If anyone says ISU was ok before Chizik got there, well, go check it for yourself.

http://www.cyclones.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=48393&SPID=4653&DB_OEM_ID=10700&Q_SEASON=2006; 3:24 PM
Monica said...: BigCat - you have email via Facebook.; 3:26 PM
Unknown said...: eagle-- concerning your question about the quality players he brought in, again I refer to the fact it is IOWA. First, if there are any decent players in the area, they almost always go to Iowa, not Iowa St. Secondly, there are still many, many high schools in that region who still play 8 man football, yes 8 vs. 8, so there are not many good players. Most are farm boys who know after they graduate they will help out on the family farm. I am not being mean or trying to be funny, I lived in Iowa for 6 years. People may ask, why not get players from TX, FL, and other places? I don't have the figures, but I imagine the Iowa State recruting budget covers maybe 3-4 nights at a Motel 6 and $20 per diem for the year. Obviously, it is more than that, but I would imagine AU can bring in much better recruits than ISU. Time will tell; 3:29 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: Mon-
I love it when you talk Jefferson to me.; 3:31 PM
Unknown said...: J. Kev, I have never claimed he was the best candidate. I see positives in all the candidates. I also see negatives. None of the candidates that we interviewed have resumes that impress me as much as that of the coach that MSU hired.

I cannot begin to judge the candidates because I was not in the interviews and I do not know the plan they have for Auburn. All we can really do is wait and see.

The thing is, we can begin to judge him on things he did control, such as selection of his staff at Iowa State. That is different than judging him by simply wins and losses with players he didn't select.

I do not care to investigate the decisions he made at Iowa State because I am more interested in seeing the decisions he makes for Auburn.

The first thing to judge will be his selection of a coaching staff at Auburn. Selection of the right staff is one of the biggest responsibilities of a head coach and makes and breaks careers.

Saban is a good example of this. Notice where his assistants from the national championship team at LSU are now. Also notice his decision to send Applewhite on his way. He makes good decisions in terms of his staff.

Impressions are also very important. To trash the coach will provide negative effects on Auburn recruiting. Do you not think recruites investigate schools? Do you not think recruits visit message boards? Notice the exposure HABOTN gets. People will look and make decisions based upon that atmosphere, whether the atmosphere is based upon facts or the poor behavior of fans.

Whether Chizik was the best choice isn't the point. Doing what is best for Auburn is.; 3:32 PM
McLovin said...: Dang I go away for the weekend and come back to this. Well while I am disappointed with the hire this guy actually is a better defense mind than Muschamp. Chizik has proved he can be a key peice to a championship team more than once. While I may not be thrilled with the hire I am going to support this Coach and Team regardless of the situation. I can see being down on Jacobs, but to donw Chizik is wrong. The success of his time at Auburn will be built around the staff he puts into place. I am thinking we will be very solid on D. What type of O he decides to run will be key. Has anybody picked up Chuck Long yet?; 3:34 PM
Monica said...: Brace yourself, Tar ~

For all you folks who dare suggest we should blindly follow the decisions of the Auburn administration I give you President Jeffereson and President Roosevelt.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." -- Thomas Jefferson

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile but is morally treasonable to the American Public." -- Theodore Roosevelt

(Tar - bow chicka bow bow); 3:35 PM
Denny Crum said...: I am curious if when T. Gill was interviewed and he was asked what he would do down the road if Nebraska came calling. I would imagine he might have stuttered on that one a bit.

My choice would have been Paul Johnson. No telling what he would have done had he been seriously courted. Probably not come here is my guess.

The most important question to everyone's answer (steve miller reference) is who will be the OC. We lost our offensive identity pure and simple when we hired the hobo from T-roy. We need to get that back. I want to get back to pounding people into submission and imposing our will on them offensively. That is Auburn football. I want two back sets, I love double tight ends, and a quarterback who can make clutch throws (ala Brandon against GA and Jason against LSU.). That's it.; 3:36 PM
Unknown said...: McLovin, those are my thoughts exactly. We can try to get some idea of how good Chizik will be by looking at Iowa State, but it is hard to tell. How much money did he have to spend on assistants? How many assistants are eager to head to Iowa State? There are just too many factors to consider there. Lets just judge based upon what he does at Auburn where the resources are completely different.; 3:37 PM
Denny Crum said...: Monica,

I like old Thomas J, but he thougnt the French Revolution and all of its violent excesses were A-Ok.; 3:38 PM
scott,will not,from tucson said...: chicklet, anyone? chizaam? cheezit? i'm one of the group that's behind him because he is who we have, if you're curious.; 3:39 PM
Anonymous said...: JKev.....Those threats against JJ are way out of line. If you knew the stories I know, you would probably go postal. These problems have been here for years and are the source of all kinds bizarre situations (duck hunts). JJ is only a puppet. JGouge doesn't have the guts.

The irony is: These folks think they are actually doing what is right for AU.

I didn't want CTT gone and once that was done, I wanted Gill or Johnson, but it is time to move on. Our dirty laundry is spread all over the lawn again and we ALL need to go help pick it up instead of arguing about who failed to wash and dry.; 3:40 PM
Monica said...: Denny - That's a bit of an overstatement. And does that invalidate the quote I just offered?; 3:40 PM
Anonymous said...: Mon, the answer to "how do you do get rid of"......has been asked for many years.; 3:41 PM
scott,will not,from tucson said...: denny-the violence in the french revolution was justified. i actually own a book entilteled "my friend, robespierre" written by one of his contemporaries. good read.; 3:42 PM
eaglesteeler said...: Big Cat,

Its always interesting to use the same stats to make different views.

IA St before Chizik DID have 7 win seasons (02, 04, 05) Chizik in 2 years couldnt' win even half that many.

It not comparing AU to IA, but would it not have helped AU fans view that we saw IMPROVEMENT on the field when he coached?

And remember too, after 2 years he removed his 2 coordinators and others from his staff that HE brought in. True?; 3:42 PM
Monica said...: The declarative statement that "These folks think they are actually doing what is right for AU." is assumptive beyond logic. Especially considering egocentric decision makers.; 3:44 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Denny - ISU had a QB named Seneca Wallace for mych of those sucessful, umm, year.

Without talent, you lose.

If CGC comes in and gets a guy like Atchison or the big DE from Indiana to recommit will we be impressed?

I just have a feeling he's not going to get out worked in the living room department which is EXACTLY why Tuberville left (and voted to limit recruiting.); 3:44 PM
scott,will not,from tucson said...: meant to write "entitled"; 3:45 PM
Denny Crum said...: Until one of us, hopefully me, its the Lotto for about 170 million, then all of the bitchin' and whinin' isn't worth more than a tinker's damn. Hoopie is correct. These things have always been same. Jkev, if you think Jay Jacobs is the one responsible for this, then you are the one that is incompetent. Lapdog, sycophant, well, sure, he probably is. But in total control of this, not likely.

Hoopie is right about the ironic part about the PTB. They really do think that they are doing what is in the best interest of Auburn. They really do. Unfortunately, they seem woefully out of touch to me.

My advice is to do like me, fix a big ol pitcher of Orange kool-aid and have some Jeno's pizza rolls. I like the combination ones the best.; 3:46 PM
Tar Heel Tiger said...: Mon-
I'm having palpitations.

* * *

The plane is still on the ground in Ames. Dang it, if he's gonna be our coach he needs to get his butt down here. Not that I'm impatient or anything. The Zoo Keeper's lips are going to be all chapped by the time he gets here.; 3:47 PM
Chris in Inverness said...: Taking the 5 yr old to see Santa at Brookwood Village in a moment.

But, there's a "Speak With Santa" thingy going on in my neighborhood from 6-8. How do I explain that one?

Anyone in B'ham that can make it out to 280, bring the chillins.

Monnie, did you speak with your sis about Elf on a Shelf?; 3:47 PM