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Blogger ehyou said...

wow

8:59 AM  
Blogger ehyou said...

he's heating up.....he's on fire!!!

9:00 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

Nicely done ehyou.

I can't see the vid at work...bummer.

9:02 AM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Yahtzee!

9:02 AM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

AU1 ... does your employer block videos?

I promise it's safe for work.

9:03 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

Tyrik is a soft-spoken guy...from the video, anyway.

In case this got lost one of the previous threads...

In Malzahn's offense, he needs a QB that can throw it down the field. It seems that Todd can't do that yet and time has run out.

9:04 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

So Tyrik is soft spoken and wears # 17. Sounds familiar.

9:05 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

Josh Bynes looks like the Predator without the funky mandibles that is.

9:06 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

Nice again, Ehyou.

I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to physically go through camp/practice. That's just been on my mind a lot.

How the heck can Bynes take the heat with all that hair!?!?

9:07 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Thread overload! I'm so spoiled!!!

9:07 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Stanley McClover was the one and only Predator...even if he never learned to tackle the RB.

9:07 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

WERK, do you think Tyrik has the potential to be even better than Jason?

9:07 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

I would pay $550 to be able to download WERK's Auburn football knowledge and recall into my head.

9:08 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I'm I even on the right one? It's so hard to keep up with Writer Tate. He obviously came to training camp in tip-top shape.

9:08 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Monica - I'll sell you a 2008 Media Guide for only $549.

9:10 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

Monica, you have mail.

9:10 AM  
Blogger depressedAUfan said...

I can't wait to see Freeman play in a game. He sounds like he will really bring the attitude Chizik looks for on defense.

9:10 AM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

As far as Todd throwing downfield, I don't think that's been requested just yet.

Today may be the day.

9:11 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

ehyou with the unassisted triple play today. Wow!

9:11 AM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

What do you all think about opening comments to anonymous posters?

Could bring more voices into the fray.

Could bring idiots into the fray.

9:12 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

Jay G, I know we all will be interested to see how Todd does.

9:12 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

WERK's recall goes way past 2008.

9:12 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Luv,

I've never seen Rollison throw a pass, much less lead a team so I don't know. I hope he exceeds the standards as a player and as a human being that Jason showed during his years at Auburn. However it's difficult to exceed Jason as a person.

Mon,

I just have a good memory in general.

THT,

I think the 2009 media guide costs almost that same amount. They jacked the prices up this year.

9:13 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

HAHAHAHA thank you Luv! I just luv you bunches!

9:13 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Mon,

I try not to recall 2008 at all.

Jay G,

I say keep it closed. Just my opinion, but it'll keep it special if people have to make at least some effort to join in.

9:15 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

WERK, thanks for answering my question. I agree with you on Jason as a person.

9:16 AM  
Blogger Loganville Tiger said...

I say No to Anon's. It will bring anonymous 'Bammers to the site to try and stir things up. We don;t need that.

If you are to lazy to register then to bad - don't post. We got a pretty happy family here now as it stands. Keep it that way.

LT

9:16 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

Agreed, LT.

9:18 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

JGT - Yes my company blocks videos. I can't get any type of streaming video at all. Corp America, it is funny sometimes I have to go to corp to tell them I can't access one of my accounts websites.


And I go with "It could bring idiots into the fray."

9:18 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

"Could bring idiots into the fray"


JayGT - um, I'm already here.

9:18 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

Monica, was your 9:13 post referring to my email?

9:19 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

Luv - Yes, it was. :-)

9:20 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

Thought so. Just makin' sure.

9:21 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

I would like to point out that today is a sad day due to the loss of Mr. John Hughes.

Sixteen Candles
The Breakfast Club
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Home Alone
Planes Trains & Automobiles
Uncle Buck
etc. etc. etc.

9:22 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

To let unregistered ones in would seriously take away from the blog. AL.com is horrible after you get past the article. For a while I have only read the article and then stopped so as not to read the excrement that is posted afterward.

9:23 AM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

The HOTTIES have spoken.

No anonymous posting.

9:26 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

Good info from Goldberg on AL.com about the low number of scholly players on the team:

How did Auburn get in this fix? Here's the most damaging way: Less than half the players signed in the 2007 and 2008 recruiting classes are still on the roster. Additionally, the normal attrition of losing senior players and losing two players early to the NFL have taken a toll.

Sounds like many of us were correct when discussing the recruiting troubles the last group had.

9:28 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

wtc,

You might want to whisper that, some people think Tub was still doing a good job recruiting toward the end.

9:31 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

it's almost like we're on ProTuberbation

9:31 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

•2008 signing class: Only 17 of the 29 players that were signed are on the roster. Some were quickly dispatched to junior colleges. Some transferred or left.

9:33 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

2007 signing class: Fourteen of the 30 signing-day players are still on board. There are some notable names still on the team, like Kodi Burns, Josh Bynes, Ryan Pugh and Wes Byrum, but notable signee Enrique Davis is at Ole Miss, and there's a list of players that have faded from memory

(Give Goldberg tha credit)

9:34 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

2006 signing class: Sixteen of the 25 signed are still on the roster, including some of the highest-profile players: Neil Caudle, Mario Fannin, Tim Hawthorne and Ben Tate

(Give Goldberg credit)

Highest profile from 2006?! Who in that bunch has played worth a cuss.

9:35 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

You will notice if you look at the last couple of classes. You will see names year over year which never arrived. That alone is 2 spots for 1 person in 2 yrs.

9:35 AM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Keep in mind that Chizik et al's 2009 class has only 21 guys on campus. And that includes Daren Bates.

9:35 AM  
Blogger Denny Crum said...

As I go over the tape from my secret temporary location in the Bluegrass region KY as I mull over moving back to the area, I feel strangely optimistic about the upcoming season. If we can stay healthly on Defense and the OL, then there is a chance for real progress this year, and thus, a very successful.

I wonder if Ben Tate is going to be the back this year to make some game changing plays. Is Eltoro going to knock the opposing teams ##$%$$^ into their watchpockets? Is a quarterback going to emerge or are we in for a repeat of last year? Will the O/L stand up under repeated games against quality and physical competition game after game?

So many questions, so few answers. Jay G, please consult your crystal ball.

9:35 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

...but Tub was recruiting players who want to come to Auburn.

Wasn't that always his defense when he was asked bout the lack of 4 and 5 star recruits?

9:35 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

Thanks for no anons. Strange you bring it up. A blog I visited the other day was having a poll of whether to get rid of the anons.

I like knowing who is saying what. Yea, someone could have multiple accounts, but there is no reason to make things easy for them.

From what I have read, deep throws shouldn't be a problem for Todd, but it sounds like he hasn't done a lot of them yet.

You are correct that it is required for Malzahn's offense. I am looking forward to seeing one of those long 10 yard bombs.

The bubble screens had me going insane last season and I have even seen Benton running some of those. Hopefully they will be a bit more effective when the defense actually thinks you may throw the ball down the field.

Don't be surprised if Todzilla turns out to have one of the stronger arms on the team.

9:36 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Bubble screens work when there is a threat of the deep ball as well.

Most teams last year knew we weren't passing downfield and when we did, they knew that the ball was going to hang up long enough for their DB's to recover.

In fact, I think the last time we hit WR's in stride on deep passes was Cox's soph year.

9:43 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

"In fact, I think the last time we hit WR's in stride on deep passes was Cox's soph year."

that is depressing

9:45 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Chizik's 2009 class doesn't really count. But his '10 class sure will. Let's hope it's loaded with great players who actually enroll.

9:47 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people.

A quote from Ferris.....but doesn't that sound eerily like Michael Jan Terry?

Just askin'

9:47 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

That's right RK, he only recruited players that wanted to come to Auburn. So I guess that we now have the potential for players to sign with Auburn but they do not want to be here :)!!!!!

9:48 AM  
Blogger missinit said...

that would be a negative on anons...would cause an infestation of bammers and they are worse than gnats!

9:50 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

Did I dream that someone said the WVU game was being moved to Thursday? Does anyone have any info on that?

9:51 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

Mon - Someone heard rumblings but hasn't seen it anywhere listed.

9:51 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

THT, I am with you. CTT brought us some top ten recruiting classes, but when the players don't end up playing, it is much to do about nothing.

9:52 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

yes, moving that game to Thursday would really annoy me. Of course, they already have my money for the tickets. They don't care if I actually get to use them or not.

9:53 AM  
Blogger diggerforAu said...

Yes I was one of those Auburn fans who fell for the Stars don't count we get players who are right for Auburn. NOW I see the light we may have been getting guys who's heart was in the right place but whose minds could not grasp college studies. What a waste. I am not a strong advaocate of STAR dum, it is mostly a way to make money

9:53 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

when he made that quote, I felt his days were numbered.

Stoked about the new coach and not looking back. I thought that was a good article about the classes AU has brought in over the past few years. 14 out of 30 from 2007. Whatever the reason, that is awful. 16 out of 25 in 2006. no wonder we have a depth problem.

9:55 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I like the exposure that Thursday night games bring and use to actually like them, but since I work west coast hours I am often working during those games. I don't believe the boss likes it when I suddenly yell touchdown Auburn for no apparent reason during meetings. Yea, Steve, that boy on the east coast is a bit weird.

10:00 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

"I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me."

I love that line. The fact it's followed with "The dream is over" closed the door on the Beatles.

10:01 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

We got the stars under CTT too, but I do like how he was able to get very good players that weren't the high profile recruits. Either they evaluated talent well, or did a great job of coaching them up.

10:02 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

wtc said...
Stoked about the new coach and not looking back. I thought that was a good article about the classes AU has brought in over the past few years. 14 out of 30 from 2007. Whatever the reason, that is awful. 16 out of 25 in 2006. no wonder we have a depth problem.



Do you guys get the feeling that will change over the coming years?

10:04 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

I don't think the effort was there in recruiting and in coaching the players up the last couple of years.

Just my opinion, but I don't think that staff was hungry anymore.

10:05 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

We need to be able to run when they know we're going to run. We need to be balanced. You can't win in this league without being balanced. We will just have to wait and see. This may have been our best week of practice yet. The players are looking hungry. I saw good and bad things today.

This has been your coach speek post of the day.

10:05 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Luv,

If the depth doesn't change over the next couple of years then there will be a lack of depth on the coaching staff again.

10:05 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

which part will change. The 'stoked over the coaches or the number of players that actually get on the team versus those that are signed.

10:06 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Steve,

We will be able to run this year...not sure about a solid passing game, but I do think we're going to be able to move the ball on the ground.

10:06 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

wtc, the depth problem.

10:07 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I am hoping to see things change with regards to recruits and how many actually make it to campus. One thing that may change that is the 28 player limit. Coaches are going to be getting fewer of the guys that may or may not qualify.

Some of the attrition you just can't predict.

10:07 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

I agree with RK. I think they resigned themselves to the fact that they could not compete anymore.

10:07 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

Depth is not looking to be nearly as big of a problem as I initially thought with this team. Getting Phillips elligible will really help too.

Bates being qualified helped a lot. We may have enough depth at safety where one could move to linebacker now, although I still think we need more linebackers. With linebackers, I would prefer to see us three deep.

10:10 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

I also agree that we will be able to run the ball. I think the more improved bulkier o-line will be pretty good if it stays healthy and I really like Ben Tate to have a big year. He still doesn't get much pub, but I think he could have a great year.

10:10 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Passing is pretty (or should be), but nothing gets me more charged up than an overwhelming ground assault, especially when the defense knows it's coming and still can't stop it.

10:10 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

The resigning themselves to the fact they couldn't compete doesn't make much sense.

10:10 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

I think 2005 was the turning point. We didn't follow 2004 up with a great recruiting class then Alabama started off 8-0 and even though we beat them at the end of the year, they pulled ahead of us in recruiting even with Shula as the coach and we never were the same.

10:11 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Tate for 1400 would be sooooo cool!

10:11 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

We will need a decent passing game for the running to work consistently, although I expect to see a lot of triple option football similar to what Paul Johnson runs at Georgia Tech.

10:12 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Eddie,

I stand by my prediction of Ben Tate with 1,200 yards rushing this year. (Given that he stays healthy.)

10:12 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

To get an idea of what I mean, watch some of the Tulsa highlights on youTube. At times it is hard to watch because you can't keep up with where the football is. I hope I have that problem watching our offense this season. It has to drive defenses nuts.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

RK- I'm thinking along the same lines, somewhere between 1,100 to 1,300 yards. I also think whoever ends up being the 2nd back will do pretty well also.

10:17 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

WERK is dead on. Steve you will never give up that fight, and that is OK. My feelings are that the last crew saw the hand writing on the wall and as long as Tubbs had their back, they were not going to change. He had their back until the last minute when he was no longer employed. It's over. You think they worked hard and gave it their all. I think they sloughed off and AU is reaping that process now. Whether you recruit 5*'s or 3*'s it doesn't matter if they don't qualify, quit for whatever reason, get hurt, blah, blah, blah. Bottom line is you have 10 less players on the team than allowed and that is not a great statement about the players the previuos staff assembled during the waning years.

10:18 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

Luv, I think believe as WERK, if the wins come, the attrition will slow down and AU will sign and fill it's alloted limit. I do not expect them go after many that do not make it in. This year they needed to get bodies in, next year I think they limit that. And I also think the HS players are starting to notice that classes are filling fast and they need to have their grade in order by their junior year and not have to scramble their senior year.

10:20 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Don't get me wrong, I think Tommy could still be a successful coach at Auburn, however that staff needed to be gutted and he wouldn't do it. A new staff might have fired him up and kept him motivated.

10:23 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

This last recruiting class has had significant attrition, but I think it has a lot to do with when our coaches showed up and the players we lost due to the coaching change. I expect ChizCo to do better with the upcoming class.

10:24 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

Mario Fannin is the most dynamic of the returning athletes. Getting him the ball is imperative to success this year.

10:24 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I don't really understand your point, WERK. Tuberville is no longer at Auburn so it is pretty pointless.

10:24 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

Fannin was inconsistent last year. Hopefully he will be better this year.

I am hoping to see them find ways to get McCalebb and PPL the ball. Both are speed merchants.

10:26 AM  
Blogger diggerforAu said...

WIN WIN WIN

Coaches that work hard and relate to young men


Coaches that are relentless in their pursuit

Recruiting is successful!!

10:27 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

PPL is not part of the answer.

Sorry, he's too small for the SEC in my humble opinion.

He'd be a stud at UAB though.

10:28 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

PPL will be lucky to be making plays this fall with the way things have gone the last couple of months. I was also looking forward to seeing what he could do, especially in the return game. He was something special in HS returning punts and Kickoffs

10:28 AM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

HH, you might be right about PPL, but Trindon Holliday seems to be working out for LSU.

10:29 AM  
Blogger scottie b in tennessee said...

"Judge me by my size do you?"

-Master Yoda

10:30 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

My point is that the previous coaching staff was either complacent or getting complacent. A change was needed either a turnover of the assistants with a new staff under Tub or getting rid of everyone. A change was needed.

The topic was about recruiting and how we have gotten to the point we are with depth. Steve, you and I disagree on this topic, however it's not pointless to discuss how we have gotten to where we are now no matter who is currently the coach or not.

I know you like to drop the "Tub isn't here anymore so it's pointless", but it will be a topic for a long time to come.

10:32 AM  
Blogger j-z said...

I can't believe I'm typing this, but I miss Jet. Hope his "conference" ends soon.

Do something good today, slap a bama fan. (unless it's FSJ, in which case a pat on the back coupled with an "Oh what a terrible life decision you've made" look will suffice.)

10:33 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

PPL will not see the field. Guys/Girls he doesn't start practice until the 17th. He got very little PT in the spring game. w/o the speed he is not an option. I feel he leaves for Middle Tenn State soon or after the season.

10:34 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

I would love to have a home run hitter on returns. Auburn hasn't had that since Tim Carter.

10:38 AM  
Blogger diggerforAu said...

I think there is a place for PPL on this team. He is definitly way behind. But he could be a very good return man and spot receiver that will be needed this year.

10:38 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Hudson,

Tristan Davis?

10:38 AM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

Okay, all you guys may be right about PPL. We'll just let McCalebb represent the little guys.

10:39 AM  
Blogger diggerforAu said...

Tristin Davis
yea if he could have played to straight games without getting hurt

10:40 AM  
Blogger diggerforAu said...

Dang I screwed that one up "two"
hopefully you all knew waht I meant

10:42 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Tristan Davis had a lot of promise and I'll never understand why he was moved to defense in the first place.

10:42 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

I believe we didn't fully leverage the success of our 2004 season relative to recruiting. I'm probably wrong.

10:42 AM  
Blogger diggerforAu said...

I agree Mon.
We did alright or so so
but should have done much better as far a quality of players

10:44 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Davis was injury prone, but he did play most of 3 seasons as a return man and many 40+ yard returns in those 3 years.

10:45 AM  
Blogger diggerforAu said...

True RK and I loved to watch him run. Just wished he could have stayed healthy. Moving him to defense was not one of those brighter moments for the old coaching staff.

10:47 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Eddie,

It's much like Tub telling Brandon Jacobs his future in the NFL was at DE.

10:48 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

I miss Jet too, JZ. I won't tell him what you said. Cross my heart. :-)

10:49 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

10:51 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

I get paranoid when there are comments deleted right after a post of mine.

10:52 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

You should

10:52 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

The trashing of coaches and players make us seem very similar to Alabama.

10:53 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Being critical of how things went the last couple of years isn't "trashing". It's just stating opinion.

As far as making comparisons to the tone in here to Alabama fans, I think you might be overstating just a little.

10:57 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

It may have gotten lost in yesterdays blog-a-thon but I mentioned that we probably lose another player in a few days due to summer grades. Defensive guy. I hope not but strong odds we do.

J Albert was one of several that was in the classroom 6 six. Now there are only two of thos left on the team. HCizik is laying the law down and that is fine by me.

10:58 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

WERK, I was just about to say that.

10:58 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

RK- LOL at Brandon Jacobs.

ON the other hand, he did get Jay Ratliff right.

10:59 AM  
Blogger LuvAU1968 said...

There's a huge difference between stating an opinion based on observation and trashing.

10:59 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

hahaha Thanks, HH!!

11:00 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Steve- I don't think we are trashing Tubs. I would be more than willing to bet that just about all Auburn fans are appreciative of what he did for Auburn, but you also can't hide the fact that he was asleep at the wheel the last 3 years.

11:02 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

I was trashing the poster called Monica, just for the record.

Criticism is not always hate-filled (unless it is Alabama or LSU fans). I think we Auburn fans have a lot to be critical of in the Athletics Dept. as a whole.

11:04 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

HH- I obviously didn't see your post, but one thing we don't do on this blog is trash other posters. We respectively disagree, but no trashing.

11:05 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

By trashing, I mean poking in the ribs in the Internet sort of way.

I came here to avoid the standard message board garbage. So far, so good.

11:06 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

Asleep at the wheel? The is pretty bizarre. We were favored to win the west last season. We had two good seasons prior to that with him "asleep at the wheel". Pretty bizarre comments.

Why continue to criticize past coaches? What is the point of making Auburn coaches, players, and fans look bad. Have we really become the whining spoiled impatient fans that so resemble those of another institution in the state?

We lost one of the most successful coaches in school history. Time to move on. Get over it.

11:07 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

How many players total did we lose due to the regime change?

11:08 AM  
Blogger Big Bird said...

What comes around goes around, TT spent a lot of his first two years decrying the lack of talent/depth he inherited from Bowden (which was true by the way) and talking about how talent filled his Ole Miss teams were.

On another topic: wasn't Raymon (Ramon?) Malcolm, early 90's era RB, also #29?

11:09 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

A bunch. We are only fielding something like 75 of an allowed 85 this season, Peter.

11:09 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

Steve I can't keep up with you. One day you're digging up the buried horse to beat him some more and the next you're telling us to get over it. You keep me on my toes! lol

11:10 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Anyone else see that UGA's entire signing class qualified? I like Richt's approach to that. No more offers than there are places, and don't offer people who you don't think will get in. It seems to be working. With Auburn needing every single spot to be filled in the next couple of classes, I hope Chiz takes a look at that.

11:10 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Steve- It's August so it's good conversation. Also, we have 71 players on the team, we went 5-7 last season, completely lost the upper hand on both of our main rivals, and we have gotten progressivelly worse since the 2005 season, and I understand that we lost only 2 games in 2006, but that was one of the worst 11 win teams i've ever seen.

11:11 AM  
Blogger D. Miller said...

slow down folks...i can't keep up...

11:13 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

PF, that is really hard to say. We lost current players as well as recruits. Which would we have lost anyway?

My guess is that Marks was gone regardless. Powers would have likely stayed.

Jermaine Johnson would have likely stayed.

Ray Cotton would have likely been here, but Tyrik could be just as good or better.

Blackmon may have stayed, although I doubt he would have ever lived up to his potential.

There were a couple of offensive linemen that left, but I can never recall their names.

We would have likely gotten Petey Smith.

It is just hard to say. You really can't blame the new coaches for this. They did well for the time they had.

We would have likely had a recruiting class that better fit our needs, but that isn't a good enough reason to keep a staff. That should never figure in to the decision of whether to keep someone or not.

11:13 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

Peter-Not as much as some think if you mean 'just lost due to the old guys leaving.' I think we lost a few becaue the new guys did not want them. So I don't put that in the category of'lost due to regime change.'

11:13 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

I will say I liked Tubbs alot and if he had changed the whole staff, I wanted him to stay. He didn't and it cost him. SO be it.

11:14 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

So, now lets bash the 2006 team. How about come up with a list of Auburn players who suck? That should be very productive.

11:14 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I am not certain of what changes CTT would have made. Obviously had recognized the need for change when he got rid of Borges and hired Franklin. I just think he changed the wrong thing. Borges was a very good coach.

Go back and look at some of the other records of great coaches in Auburn history such as Mike Donahue, Shug Jordan, and Pat Dye. Which never had a season like last season?

11:16 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

SteveFC - time to get back in bad, roll over, and crawl out the other side ;-)

But congrats to you for getting the Beasley post today!

11:17 AM  
Blogger Big Bird said...

Has anyone ever noticed that only two products (to my knowledge) are/were made of sheepskin and that they both portend the same impending fate?

Just trying to lighten things up a bit...

11:17 AM  
Blogger Big Bird said...

by the way, at the risk of getting bashed for ignorance, what is a Beasley post?

11:18 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Steve, I'm not blaming anyone, just wondering what a regime change costs a program nowadays in terms of number of players. I'm not sure that that can be identified, though, as the real story doesn't always get out. WTC, I'd include the guys the new coaches don't want in that. Again, not blaming, just curious to see.

11:18 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

Steve - May I ask why you are taking this personal?

The discussion is about what looked to us "fanatics" or fans as a "we will get what we can" mentality for recruiting. This all stems from the previous discussion of why there are only 75scholly players on the roster. Which compliments the, "we didn't capitalize on the 2004 season"

All which is relevent in the 2009 season with our lack of depth. A mentality change is what was required after not leveraging great things that happened. That led to the relief of Tubs.

11:19 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Peter- I would say every regime change that starts with a coach being fired will probably lead to 5-10 players not returning that were eligible to return. Tubs had very similar attrition.

11:21 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

I don't know, Big Bird.

11:21 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Are those two products even widely used anymore? I never saw the correlation (partly because they were obsolete by the time I arrived), but both, I guess are signs of conquest and accomplishment... :-)

11:22 AM  
Blogger Big Bird said...

Monica:

you don't know what a beasley post is or the other one?

11:22 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Fan did not come from Fanatic, btw.

11:23 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

Ok. I am switching back to my game predictions. Much more productive than this.

Yes, I am calling for the UT upset of Florida. 21-20. It can happen. Remember the (now much maligned AU 06 team) had "no chance" i the swamp and got it done. I think Kiffin is greatly underestimated and that team is loaded with talent everywhere except QB. Bama proved you don't need one of those to win last year.

Further, I think UT beats Auburn 27-10. They owe us one and are primed for it. We will still be finding our way at that point, I believe.

11:24 AM  
Blogger ehyou said...

I think a Beasley is a thread-killer.

11:26 AM  
Blogger Sensi said...

Hudson,

You are smoking something real strong if you think Tennessee will beat Florida.

Just saying.

Welcome to the HABOTN.

11:27 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Beasly Post- I'm guessing because Steve had the 88th post of the thread, he had the beasley post.

HH- I want whatever you're having with the UT beating Florida thoughts. I, like you, believe that Tennessee will have a good year and have stated it here, my blog and on my podcast, but no way will UT beat Florida. Florida is so much better on both sides of the ball and they are playing at the swamp. OH, Urban also proved last year that if you call him out, he will respond, see the UGA game last year.

11:28 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Hudson Hawk- Please share your Auburn-Alabama prediction and LSU-Alabama prediction. I'm curious.

11:29 AM  
Blogger Sensi said...

All this talk about fear Saban.

I don't fear Saban.

Fear Urban if you want to fear a coach.

11:30 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

post #88 = Beasley post. Still the greatest WR ever to play for Auburn and one of the greatest in college football history. I revere him.

Big Bird - the first thing that came to mind...BOOKS

11:30 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Actually, i'm sticking with Richt right now as who I fear. He has whipped us too many times lately.

11:31 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I fear no man!


I only fear women.

11:32 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

LSU 25 - Alabama 16

LSU is better than they showed last year and Alabama is as overrated as you can get in my book.

Plus, I hate Alabama, so picking them is against my inner peace bringing center.

11:32 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

PF - Yes it did.

fan2  /fæn/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [fan]
–noun an enthusiastic devotee, follower, or admirer of a sport, pastime, celebrity, etc.: a baseball fan; a great fan of Charlie Chaplin.

Origin:
1885–90, Americanism; short for fanatic

11:32 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

I agree with the LSU pick, do you have LSU playing UT for the championship?

11:33 AM  
Blogger Big Bird said...

THT: I forgot about books but I will conveniently ignore them since it ruins my joke.

One product made of sheepskin is a diploma and the other rhymes with rondoms.....receipt of either is an indication that you are about to get.....

11:34 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Eddie, UF beating the crap out of UGA had less to do with Urb's vendetta over the end zone incident, and more to do with the fact that UGA was injury ridden, unprepared, beaten down, and uninspired by that point. That doesn't mean that Urb won't try to put 100 on the Vols if his team is able, though.

11:34 AM  
Blogger Hudson Hawk said...

UT will play Ole Miss in the SECCG in my opinion and Ole Miss will win it.

They are for real this time.

11:34 AM  
Blogger wtc said...

I think AU starts out 6-0 and then the schedule gets too tough to guess.

11:34 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I agree Eddie. Kiffikin is going to be referring to Urban Meyer as Sir after this.

LSU, Arkansas, and us are the teams I see the most improved this season, although LSU will likely out shine the rest.

UT, to me, is a wildcard. The biggest issue I saw with Fulmer was team discipline. Hiring a coach that needs someone to discipline him isn't exactly the approach I would take to correct the situation. On the other hand, Kiffikin did a good job of hiring a quality staff.

11:35 AM  
Blogger mytommyd said...

The comments are scrolling on here like a campfire.

By the way if you all would like feel free to move back from your respective internet devices and breeeeaaathe.

11:35 AM  
Blogger AU1N04 said...

Since alot of people dislike him

Herbstreit said that AU could start the season 7-1. Will finish 7-5.

Just sayin'

11:35 AM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Personally I think that Tubs was probably the 2nd or 3rd best coach in Auburn history....Discuss.

11:36 AM  
Blogger Loganville Tiger said...

I agree Eddie that the Gata will stomp a mud hole in Tenn.

I have Florida playing LSWho in the title game. Sorry Ole Miss fans.....

LT

11:36 AM  
Blogger FSJ said...

The West will be decided in Tuscaloosa in November when LSU visits.

Ole Myth will fold like a cheap tent.

11:37 AM  
Blogger mytommyd said...

I think Alabama Ole Miss and Florida have the kindest schedules to make it to the SECCG (of those that I think might be in contention)

11:38 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I hate to agree with Herbstreit, but 7-5 does seem like the most likely record for us and he is also right about the schedule. We could start out on a win streak but have a serious problem the second half of the season.

The schedule is actually in our favor because, hopefully, it will give us a chance to develop a consistent offense that is consistent in a positive way.

11:38 AM  
Blogger scottie b in tennessee said...

FSJ, i actually agree with you.

Ole Myth. yak.

11:38 AM  
Blogger FSJ said...

One other thing...Urban Meyer will make Lame Kiffin say uncle....or mommy....or no mas....

11:38 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I will never predict Ole Nutt winning the SECCG. I prefer Ole Nutt for the entertainment value.

11:39 AM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Bashing ex-coaches is a loser-Bammer trait and not what endeared me to AU.

It smacks of either low self-esteem and you are trying to make yourself feel better by bashing others instead. OR.... It is ignorant Bammer arrogance that somebody must be blamed for our present woes. Our present situation was caused by a lot of deep problems at AU. An unmotivated coaching staff..maybe so, why were they unmotivated? That cause is still at AU.

These issues aren't going to be resolved by AU fans...only PTB attritition. It's best to not look backward and blame. At least for now, we should all be on the same page...how about let's focus on that.

11:39 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

Want to hear my Urban Meyer impression?

Who's your daddy, who's your daddy....

11:40 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Since the word fan was originally used in baseball, I'm sticking to the Dickson Baseball Dictionary's approach to the etymolofy of the word. It came from the verb fancy, which was widely used in sports back then.

11:40 AM  
Blogger mytommyd said...

I thought you were going to pull a Larry the Cable guy quote there Steve :)

11:41 AM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Totally, OT....Any of you fella's have a man cave?

11:41 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

The atmostphere at Auburn is something I was tempted to mention, but I don't want to go there. That thread needs to end.

11:41 AM  
Blogger scottie b in tennessee said...

man cave, oh yeah! i call it my 'All-American' room.

u got one FSJ?

11:42 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

I had heard about the source of the word fan a long time back and it had something to do with soccer, I believe. And no, it isn't from fanatic.

11:43 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Peter- That is what I was trying to say. Motivation to win a game is over-rated to a certain degree, but if Urban gets the chance to pour it on, he will, just like he did to Georgia when the game was over and then called timeouts at the end just to make them suffer longer.

FSJ- I agree about Ole miss and I agree that the West will be won in the bama-LSU game.

Mrtommy- I agree about the schdule of those three teams.

Steve- I disagree because I can't agree with everyone, and you are always odd man out for me :)!!!!!!

11:43 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Yes, FSJ, though I don't call it such.

11:43 AM  
Blogger mytommyd said...

Want one bad FSJ - kids have moved out and everything. But I think we're going to have an enclosed patio area before that would happen.

11:43 AM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Heck yeah Scottie..I would post pics but lets just say that there is alot of Crimson involved.

11:43 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Eddie, we're on the same page, then. Sorry. Oh, and Urb was a real jerk for doing that.

11:44 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

FSJ- I had a man cave and it's now littered with princess stuff. I've turned in my man card when I had two daughters.

11:44 AM  
Blogger Loganville Tiger said...

We will see how well Meyer coaches once Tebow departs. My bet is Fla stays competitive - but these four years with Tebow will be their high water mark. East will be ripe for the taking for UGA & UT in the coming years.

LT

11:45 AM  
Blogger scottie b in tennessee said...

gotcha. i'd love to see it, though FSJ. my goal was to have a photo of every AU All-American represented in my room. i've been able to obtain signed photos of all but 10 living/dead AU AA's. it's pretty cool. even my wife likes it and she's picky as heck. i've only got wall space for a few more. after that we'll have to get a bigger house.

11:46 AM  
Blogger FSJ said...

Eddie...

I've felt that pressure too...So far I've only given into a small desk for my daugther in my man cave.

11:46 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

I'm still willing to bet that Florida will again be the team to beat in the East for the fore-see-able future. They won't win it every year, but it's going to be like it was when Spurrier was there.

11:47 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Scottie, I'm inspired. That' awesome.

11:47 AM  
Blogger scottie b in tennessee said...

PF, little girls dream of their wedding day. little scottie b dreamed of having his own Auburn Room. took me 30 years to get there but i did it. it was my only requirement when we bought our house.

11:48 AM  
Blogger FSJ said...

scottie....that is awesome. Wish I had thought of that.


I have made a conscious decision to not have any Daniel Moore pics in my man cave. That is too obvious.

Instead of the Moore painting of the Goal Line Stand for instance, I have a framed copy of the Sports Illustrated with it on the cover. I'll upload some to Flickr sometime today. I still have some stuff to do. I want hardwood floors and a flatscreen to go along with my old style big screen so that we can watch multiple stuff without having to do the picture in picture stuff.

11:49 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

FSJ- I ran out of space in my house with the second daughter and my wife kicked my man cave out to make room since our house ran out of room. I have grand plans for the next house and man cave. It will be like the new batcave in the next batman movie.

11:50 AM  
Blogger §teve From Columbia said...

What SEC Coaches are most likely to be on the hotseat after this season? My guess will likely surprise.

Kiffikin and Richt

Spurrier would also be on the list, but I think South Carolina overachieves this season.

11:50 AM  
Blogger Monica said...

big bird - i don't know what a beasley post is

HH - you cracked me up with the "against my peace bringing center" comment. By the way HH, you'll be needing to get my PayPal information so you can send me your egg money.
:-)

11:51 AM  
Blogger Big Bird said...

a friend of mine advised me to put only a urinal in my basement bathroom to keep "womenfolk" out. He also decried pastel paint and fancy furniture as immediate voidance of your right to call it a man cave.

11:52 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

mine's still in it's infant stages, but at least it exists. I've got a private balcony off of it and everything. I hope that my upcoming wedding doesn't destroy it, but all signs are that I will be able to keep it.

11:52 AM  
Blogger Aubie said...

Here is a partial wishlist of Tigers I would like to see highlighted by THT on the "Day Number" countdown:
28 - David Langner
25 - Roger Mitchell
22 - Danny Arnold (obscure, I know)
21 - Brooks
20 - Cribbs
18 - Randy Walls or Foster Christy
17 - Patrick Sullivan
15 - Mickey Zofko or Wade Whatley
13 - James McKinney
12 - Chris Vacarella
11 - Phil Gargis
10 - Clyde Baumgartner
8 - Jerry Beasley
6 - Lionel
5 - Joe Sullivan
3 - Gardner Jett, Jorge Portela, Al Del Greco
2 - Chuck Clanton
01 - Aubie!

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