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6.10.2010

Southern Cal hammered by NCAA; Auburn playing revisionist history?

Hey everyone. Busy day in the world of sports, no?

News also broke this afternoon regarding rampant violations that occurred at Southern Cal from 2003-05. Part of the NCAA's penalty includes the stripping of the Trojans' football wins in 2004 and 2005, which irks Auburn fans to no end.

Southern Cal beat Oklahoma like a drum in the 2004 Bowl Championship Series title game. Auburn, despite being 12-0 heading into bowl season, wasn't allowed to play for the national championship. Many here believe the Tigers were improperly denied that opportunity ... and now comes news that opportunity was obfuscated because of cheating.

Does Auburn now have a true claim to the 2004 championship? No.

The BCS amended its bylaws a few years ago to permit the stripping of a title. There will be no retroactive changes; the 2004 season, officially, will have no BCS champion.

Still angry? Maybe you'll feel better vicariously reveling in Tennessee's enjoyment. Lane Kiffin left the Vols last winter for USC and now faces the loss of 10 football scholarships and bowl trips for two seasons. And he worked as an assistant at USC when these violations went down.

Karma, anyone?

Here's the full bill for USC (courtesy of the L.A. Times):

  • Public reprimand and censure.
  • Four years of probation: from June 10, 2010, through June 9, 2014.
  • Postseason ban for the 2009-10 men’s basketball season. (self-imposed)
  • Postseason ban for the 2010 and 2011 football seasons.
  • One-year show-cause penalty for assistant football coach Todd McNair (June 10, 2010, to June 9, 2011).
  • Vacation of all football wins, including football bowl games, from the 2004 and 2005 seasons.
  • Vacation of all basketball wins in the 2007-08 season, including the NCAA tournament. (self-imposed)
  • Vacation of all wins in women’s tennis between November 2006 and May 2009.(self-imposed)
  • Reduction of football scholarships by 10 for the next three academic years.
  • Reduction of men’s basketball scholarships from 13 to 12 for the 2009-10 and 2010-11 academic years. (self-imposed)
  • Reduction of the total number of recruiting days in men’s basketball by 20 days (from 130 to 110) for the 2010-11 academic year. (self-imposed)
  • $5,000 fine. (self-imposed)
  • Remittance of the $206,200 the university received for its participation in the 2008 NCAA basketball tournament. (self-imposed).
  • Disassociation of football player Reggie Bush, basketball player O.J. Mayo and “booster” Rodney Guillory.
  • Release of three men’s basketball recruits from their letters of intent. (self-imposed).
  • Prohibition of all non-university personnel, including boosters, from traveling on football and men’s basketball charters; attending football and men’s basketball team practices; attending or participating in any way with university football and men’s basketball camps, including donation of funds; and having access to the sidelines and locker rooms for football and men’s basketball games.

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Blogger Scott Coats said...

Revisionist substance

4:56 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I'm an idiot. I had all of the premium channels and sports channels, but my HD channels were missing, so I called Comcast. Now, I have no channels. I suspect I will not have all of the sports channels or premium channels when they return (if they return).

4:56 PM  
Blogger cincytiger said...

Auburn NC substance

4:56 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Gol TV and FSC would have been interesting if I liked that crap.

4:57 PM  
Blogger cincytiger said...

PF,
You have had a hard time with your Comcast. Maybe you need to switch to Direct.

4:57 PM  
Blogger cincytiger said...

Wow, comments appearing and disappearing.

4:57 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I dominated trivia last night with my knowledge of aviation, the first World Series, and rugby. It went downhill when they started quoting random song lyrics and Beverly Hills cop.

4:59 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Cincy,

So far, they have credited everything I've paid plus given me free HDDVR boxes. Eventually, everything will work, and I'll be getting it all for free, and I'll be a happy customer.

5:01 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

I'll be angry forever about the 2004 snub.

5:01 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

Mainly because I was there, as a passionate sophomore and was at all the games. To watch that team come up empty first hand was a hard thing.

5:02 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I don't care what they do with the 2004 BCSNC. It doesn't matter.

The important thing is that USC has been punished significantly and that Kiffikin, amazingly enough, has been made to look more foolish.

5:02 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I have no anger towards the 2004 team. I think they did a swell job.

5:04 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

Who's angry at the team?

5:05 PM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

I say find all the old players from 2004 AU and 2004 OU and settle it on the field. I'm sure they're all still in great shape.

5:06 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Limit of 15 initial grants-in-aid and 75 total grants in football for each of the
2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 academic years.

Assuming they maintain the max of 25 in the 2010 class, they will be down to 70 scholarship players at the end of the scholly penalty.

Yep, that's a hit.

5:06 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I do kind of admire Pete Carroll in this situation. He looks like a genius.

Pete: Hey Lane, you mind picking up the soap for me?

Lane: Sure Pete. I love you and USC with all my heart and soul.

Pete: Thanks. Gotta go.

Lane: Wait Pete I need to....what the heck!!! Where did that come from? Why am I not back in Tennessee!!! Momma!!!

5:06 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

"Here's the full bill for USC"

Can I add the usual and customary 20% gratuity for good service?

5:09 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Tip em!

5:18 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Ivan Maisel is nuts today.

Post college behavior has nothing to do with the Heisman. Eligibility does, and Bush didn't have it.

5:19 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I'm disappointed we don't have a Hottie at the meeting in Austin. Where's Tucker or Troy when you need them?

5:22 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

Reggie Bush broke the rules. Breaking the rules has consequences. So it goes.

5:22 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

This realignment scenario is interesting. The SEC getting Oklahoma would be big, although getting OK State along with them would have been better.

Adding Missouri or Texas Tech might be a possibility, although neither is really a must have.

If Oklahoma joins the SEC, what other team would make sense?

5:22 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Tuberville is apparently wanting a re-vote on 2004. Man, let it die coach.

5:25 PM  
Blogger Scott Chocolate said...

Steve, that's the same report that came from the KC tv station earlier today.

5:26 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Sweet. How the heck I got the same idiot twice today in a call center of hundreds is beyond me. Said idiot read every terrible script she is provided with, then sent a signal that fries my dvr box not once, but twice. I finally got someone who knows what she is doing, and she is horrified, and tells me that I just need to bring the box back and get another one. For my inconvenience, I am getting more credits, though, so I am further on the road to free cable for life.

5:28 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Tuberville also said the 2004 team is the best team he has been on, including the NC teams at Miami.

This all seems like sour grapes to me. Getting the crystal football now wouldn't mean much.

5:30 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

There is zero chance Auburn will get the Waterford Crystal. The only chance is for another entity to grant the award.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I thought we didn't talk about that guy here.

5:31 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

And I wouldn't blame old Tub for his sour grapes...being screwed by the system sucks. Especially the amount of time, energy and effort he personally put into that team.

5:35 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Same page.

5:35 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I am looking forward to seeing what Tuberville does at Texas Tech. It should be interesting. I like following former Auburn coaches and seeing them do well. Muschamp and Rhoads are also interests. Terry Bowden? Not so much.

5:36 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Well, griping about having been screwed doesn't unscrew you. Learn from the past. Look to the future.

5:37 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

PAC-10+1 commish backpedalling?

from Bevo Beat:

In a teleconference Thursday, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said that his conference won’t necessarily pluck any other Big 12 schools besides Colorado, which announced this afternoon that it was leaving.

“I’d say that (having an 11-team conference) is a possibility,” Scott said.

He also said that no assurances and that no invitations have been issued to any other Big 12 schools, including Texas and Texas A&M, whose athletic directors met on Thursday in Austin to discuss their future.

5:38 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

What are you talking about? Terry Bowden is by FAR the most interesting one of the bunch. If it's not drama surrounding a possible coaching vacancy that he wants to fill, it's his ballooning figure. I expect in the next three years that there is either scandal surrounding him, or he has turned into a blueberry. If both happen, I will feel like I've won the jackpot.

5:39 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Thanks THT. That is definitely a step back for the Pac10. At one point it seemed that the Pac16 was almost inevitable. This lends more credence to the possibility of the Big10 and SEC grabbing some teams.

5:40 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I never forgave Terry Bowden for getting rid of Wayne Hall and bringing in Brother Bill.

Tony Franklin is of interest because I want to see more of his offense and how the offensive linemen are used. Would I want him as a coach? No.

5:42 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

I'm sure Tub is perfectly fine looking to his future. But that doesn't mean he can't say something was wrong and should be fixed.

5:43 PM  
Blogger Lt. scottie b Aldo Rain said...

i HATE USC. we lost a chance to hoist a trophy with arguably the best team Auburn has ever assembled because of cheating. that just pisses me off....again.

5:45 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Our performance in 2003 had just as much to do with us not getting to the BCSNCG as USC cheating. The 2003 team should have easily won at least 2 more games. Blaming everyone except Auburn just doesn't work. Also, you can blame Auburn for behaving like a bunch of kids with the coaching staff and administration not playing nice together. There is a lot of blame to go around. Oklahoma should have never made the BCSNCG based upon several close calls they had against below average teams, but Auburn didn't help Auburn's case either.

5:46 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

2004 was definitely one of the best teams we have ever had, although the 1957 and 1958 teams were very good too. I think the 1957 team only allowed 28 points to be scored against them the entire season.

5:48 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

Whatever, Steve. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I happen to disagree.

5:49 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

No problem Seanzie

5:50 PM  
Blogger NoVaTiger said...

There is zero chance of the BCS title but I saw some speculative reports earlier that the AP might revote instead of just vacating. If they did and we won then we claim it, otherwise not. Either way a great year and a great team.

5:50 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I think AU scoring defense was #1 in the country in 2004. You can't get better than that. Sure they gave up about 4x the points of the 1957 team, but that's just the way the game has changed.

5:51 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Yea, there is definitely a world of difference in college football these days compared to 1957. Actually, things have changed significantly since 2004. The spread went from a high school offense to being used throughout college football.

I have watched a few games from the 70s and 80s not to terribly long ago and everything seems very slow compared to modern college football.

5:54 PM  
Blogger ehyou said...

Kelly Johnson pisses me off.

5:56 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I can't believe all the fuss about the border patrol agent shooting the kid that was throwing rocks at him. I have no problem with a police officer providing another hole in the head for anyone throwing rocks at them.

6:01 PM  
Blogger missinit said...

My son got a text today from a RABID dawg fan inviting him to meet at Toomer's Corner where they would cover it with toilet paper and hum Rocky Top in honor(cough,cough) of Kiffie.

A few minutes later he got another from the same friend. As a side note he said he knew that Auburn wouldn't be awarded the 2004 NC by the NCAA but they deserved it in his book.

A few minutes later he got one final text that simply said ...or you could be like the bammers and just chalk it up as a NC anyway.

6:01 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

orangebloods.com has a "new" article about the slim chance of TAMU to SEC. It's mostly rehash of what we've already heard.

6:04 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Auburn not playing for the BCSNC in 2004 is more embarrassing for the BCS than Auburn. They saw the joke on a game they had between Oklahoma and USC. The only way Oklahoma should have been at that game is if they bought tickets.

None of this takes away from what a truly great team we had in 2004.

6:04 PM  
Blogger FSJ said...

I think Auburn should claim it anyway..

6:07 PM  
Blogger missinit said...

Dang Faker....where have you been??????

6:09 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

Quick Hits:

Scottie, Agree.

Steve, Agree with your last point.

ehyou, I too hate Kelly Johnson.

FSJ, I would but only if it was given by the AP.

6:11 PM  
Blogger ehyou said...

Braves bust it back open in the 9th!!

6:15 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

THT, that last article seems to indicate the SEC is being more aggressive than I thought. I like the idea of the SEC going after Texas and A&M. Arkansas and LSU both have a history with A&M. I would call A&M a very good fit and they are on the level of Arkansas these days.

6:16 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I would love to have TX, but it sounds like they are quite convinced they are too good for the SEC and have zero interest in SEC. Will they go Big Ten or Pac Ten? I dunno

6:18 PM  
Blogger chip chip said...

or is utx too sissy to come play with the big boyz?

6:23 PM  
Blogger NoVaTiger said...

The one chance I see to get UT would be to offer all 4 Texas schools. The gov has said he would do what he could to see they stay together.

6:27 PM  
Blogger chip chip said...

if a&m came with ou that would be cool. anything else is just gravy and the other two teams (fsu, gt, miami, vtech, or other) would have hit the lottery.

after 2004 i have become concerned with sec championships. the rest is all junk.

6:27 PM  
Blogger digger4au said...

After the firestorm dies down and the ashes settle I wonder wht is really going to happen.
Big 10 becomes big 10+2
Pac 10 becomes Pac 12.
SEC holds a pat hand.
Big 12 picks up 2 teams TCU and SMU.
And every body goes away mad, or happy depending on what they were looking for.

6:28 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

they are so academically superior to everything the SEC has to offer, with the possible exception of Vandy.

Big Ten and Pac Ten both have lots of AAU members, TX and TAMU are members. SEC only has Vandy & UF. Of course, the AAU was started by big ten/ivy/pac schools and it's by invitation only, so I have no doubt that there is a lot of built in bias.

6:28 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

They = Tx
"are so academically superior = Tx's opinion

6:31 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Cincy- Auburn NC is just southeast of Raleigh. I was unaware it had substance. Heck, it's not even incorporated.


oh... that's not what you meant?

6:40 PM  
Blogger NoVaTiger said...

Your scenario is certainly possible Digger but I don't think it will hold more than a few years. The Big 10+2 wants to be bigger.

6:40 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Texas A&M and Oklahoma would be very attractive. Also, moving schools from the West to the East would likely mean good news for Auburn. We could end up in the East. If we stayed in the West, it wouldn't be bad either. I would love to play Oklahoma and A&M every year.

6:42 PM  
Blogger digger4au said...

NoVa I agree it wouldn't last long but it could happen for now.

7:12 PM  
Blogger CH=B=Big round thing made of cheese said...

THT, I think deep down UT is afraid of the SEC.

7:24 PM  
Blogger NoVaTiger said...

UT is used to being the big fish. They'll be big anywhere but the SEC has more in their size class than any of their other choices.

7:33 PM  
Blogger Secondaid said...

Guys, you're forgetting something. Texas schools will never be in the SEC, due to League Bylaw 243, section a), paragraph 2:

"Barbecue is made from pigs, not cows."

They're -clearly- prohibited from joining.

7:43 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Probably the most likely scenario for the SEC to grab Texas would be to go after all the Big12 Texas schoools: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Baylor. I would prefer Baylor be replaced with TCU, but that would probably be tougher.

Grab the state of Texas for the SEC and Slice will look like a genius.

The next best thing appears to be to go after FSU and Miami. Florida is, by far, the biggest state in the SEC. There is no reason we couldn't have the top 3 Florida schools and pretty much lock down the state.

7:57 PM  
Blogger wtc said...

I heard this today about realignments:

Pac 10 gets the Big 12 South schools (most of them). The remaining scholls join the schools of Mountain West but keep the Big 12 name. They do that because the Big 12 is a BCS cobference. The Mountain West is not. Remember when the Big East lost VaTech, Miami, and one other team? Big East was told to get more teams or lose their status as a BCS conference. They got a few teams that year and still get a BCS bowl tie in.
I thought that was interesting.

8:01 PM  
Blogger Secondaid said...

Florida is not a fan of adding more Florida schools to the SEC. They like the recruiting advantage of selling kids the opportunity to play in The Best Football Conference On Earth™, and they don't want any other in-state schools to be able to say that.

8:02 PM  
Blogger ehyou said...

Florida can kiss my big ol' hiney.

8:05 PM  
Blogger digger4au said...

Someone said that the SEC had a limit of two teams per state. I have never heard that but if true why not pick up Miami, Ga. Tech, Va Tech and Clemson

8:24 PM  
Blogger ehyou said...

Don't believe everything you hear digger.

8:32 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I have heard several times about an SEC limit on the number of schools from a state, but nobody seems to have facts to back up their claim. I have understood that it was a goal, but not a rule.

8:33 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

If that were a rule, the talk of taking all the Texas schools from the Big12 wouldn't make sense. The existence of that rule is very questionable and doesn't seem to go along with what is occurring.

8:35 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

If I was Big 12-7or8, I'd invite the top 3 from MWC and then consider getting back to 12 (or stopping at 10) by choosing from the following:

Cincinnati, Louisville (two teams in Big 10+?'s back yard), SMU, Houston, Memphis, Tulsa, AFA, Boise.

The top 3 MWC teams are legit, AFA is iffy, and the remaining MWC teams are worse, or at least no better, than the other options listed above.

8:35 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

UGA, AU, and UA all recruit heavily in Florida, too. I don't think they'd want any UM and FSU any more than UF would.

8:36 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

SFC - you are forgetting that Texas is its own country, so "state" rules wouldn't apply.

Digger - that makes too much sense, but this isn't about sense, it's about cents, lots and lots of cents. I.e. what large TV markets can we grab that we don't already own?

8:37 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Lots of great comments here today.

You all are the sharpest Auburn fans around in my book. I'd put some of you all up against fans from any team ... including Man United!

8:41 PM  
Blogger chip chip said...

uf gives the sec the orlando and miami markets anyway. texas is the only really significant money maker and new television viewers that could be picked up. it should be done with an eye toward an sec network. i still think the holy grail is the texas and ok schools but it looks like that ship is sailing in different directions. uf would definitely have a big problem with fsu and miami.

8:43 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

As fan of both Auburn and United, when the line's drawn in the sand, I'll step on the orange and blue half every time.

8:43 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

aw, shucks, Homer. You're making me blush.


Oh? That wasn't directed at me?

8:44 PM  
Blogger chip chip said...

would man u be a good fit in the sec? oops wrong futbol. so much for your sharpest fan theory.

8:44 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I still haven't heard a peep from the Austin meeting today.

8:49 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

but I have heard...

8:49 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

BEASLEY!!!

8:49 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

Man U would be a good fit in the SEC. Good stadium size, rabid, worldwide fanbase. Coach is kind of an @$$. I think it works.

8:50 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Texas, Texas A&M, and Oklahoma would make a lot of sense, but from what I have read, it doesn't appear likely.

As for markets, it isn't just about new markets, but also the quality of the games. Ok State would open up an entirely new market, but would Auburn playing Ok State generate more interest than Auburn playing FSU?

For those of you that are too young to remember, for a while Auburn had a great series going on with FSU. They had a few of the most exciting Auburn games that I have seen.

Of course, it still remains to be seen how Jimbo state does.

8:51 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

At times I have read that Texas was a lock for the PacX, but I also have read they could still end up in the Big10, which I have a hard time seeing unless the Big10 grabbed some more teams from that area. Everywhere I read seems to think that Texas isn't interested in the SEC for whatever reason.

8:53 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

There's been no conference realignment news in, like, 9 hours. I think it has run its course.

8:56 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I just read a tweet saying van der slut has agreed to reveal the location of Holloway's body.

8:56 PM  
Blogger Miller said...

Why do people keep bringing up Clemson and Miami as possibilities to bring into the SEC? What do they bring to the table? Nothing... absolutely nothing.

8:57 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

That's SIR Alex "@$$" Ferguson to you, Sean.

8:58 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Here is a link to the article.

8:58 PM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

Miami is a terrible fit for the SEC, Clemson would like to come to the SEC but would the SEC invite? I would guess not. There are other/better prizes to be had.

8:58 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Clempson has been a traditional rival of Georgia. They would bring a heated rivalry.

Miami doesn't have as big or a rivalry with Florida, but the match up every year would be huge.

9:00 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I don't consider Miami or Clempson ideal, although they are both better choices than South Carolina.

FSU is closer to ideal.

Oklahoma and Texas would likely be ideal, with Texas A&M being a distant third. A&M is attractive because of their history with LSU and Arkansas.

9:02 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

If the SEC is gonna invite Miami, they might as well invite Wake Forest. Same thing minus a very short run at greatness that they'll never get back, and people apparently won't let go of.

9:11 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

To grab the big TV markets, I think the SEC will raid the following conferences:


West Coast Conf= Long Beach State
MAC = Temple
Ivy League= Columbia
OLC*=U of Phoenix


*On Line Conference

9:11 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

WFU is an outstanding academic institution with strong golf, tennis, and soccer teams, I think, not to mention the alma mater of Arnie, Norm*, Billy Packer, and Tim Duncan.

*Snead, not Hottie Norm

9:14 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I'm really feeling the asterisks tonight!

9:15 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Georgia Tech just keeps coming to mind as the most obvious addition, but they were big rivals or ours and Bama's. We wouldn't be in the same division.

I understand what you are saying with Miami, PF, although I doubt they will never go back to their pre 80s form. I can remember us playing Miami back in the 70s and they were a team people scored 50 or 60 points on.

There are schools that I think would be much more risky like Texas Tech and Louisville. West Virginia is another one of those, but not to that extent.

9:16 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

One thing that should be considered, the SEC has a set number of sports that it's member institutions compete in at a Varsity level. The Pac-10 doesn't have this, I don't think (Stanford has almost everything the NCAA sanctions, for G-d's sake). I don't know the answer to whether the Big XII teams would have to add/eliminate sports, but would any of their teams be willing to add/eliminate sports to join the SEC? Oh, wait, nobody cares about anything by football.

9:18 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Please, no North Carolina schools in the SEC. While NC and NCS have been solid in the past, I don't consider them SEC material.

9:18 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

It is pretty clear football is the driver, or someone would be chasing Kansas.

9:19 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Wake Forrest is a fine institution with the smallest enrollment in Div I that plays second fiddle to their Tobacco Road neighbors in almost all aspects (except football,lately). They've got some money, though. It's what I think of Miami. Small school that has money. Miami also has the wishy washy city fan base that could never get into the school (kinda like Bama,but not as big or rabid).

9:23 PM  
Blogger CH=B=Big round thing made of cheese said...

Very few are saying it, but we have to look beyond football. We can do nothing and still dominate in football, but if we make the right moves we can dominate the big three and some.

9:24 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Gotta admit that I'm surprised the NCAA hammered USC so much.

Why is it important to most fans that USC get hammered? Probably because most fans hope this will stop the incessant USC promo diet force feeding by ESPN.

9:25 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I was glad to see USC get hammered just to show the rules apply to everyone, even in a big TV market.

9:28 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Can you imagine the total equestrian domination if the SEC gets Big XII's finest?

9:29 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

that's funny, but very true, PF.


SFC - I remember Miami having 3rd and 15 or so from near midfield with time for one play in the half and Ottis Anderson taking a draw handoff to the endzone. We lost 17-15. That devasted me and completely erased my earlier memory of unranked AU stomping the 9th ranked 'Canes 31-6 in 1968. I attended the '78 game and listened to the '68 game on radio.

9:38 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

Lame Kitten is an attention whore that is very unpleasant to swallow

Everywhere that Kiffen goes, disaster is sure to follow

USC will rue the day their fair-haired whiner returned

He'll antagonize, spin and cheat until USC gets burned

9:39 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

in an uplifting story today, former AU player Leonardo Carson was sentenced to 121 months in prison for dealing dope.

9:41 PM  
Blogger Hoopie said...

SFC ...The Georgia Tech fanbase is not SEC-worthy.

GT fans are mostly fickle and distracted nerds that "like" the idea of football. SEC fans are football fanatics that somehow manage to keep all of life's important balls in the air, with football near the top of the list.

9:47 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

From what I have read, Carson got what he deserved. I don't think of it as punishment. I think of it as a person finding where they belong and I believe Carson has found the right place for himself.

9:49 PM  
Blogger Jet G. Hate said...

Jet's Randomonium.

1. Nothing to do with Billy Packer is welcome in the SEC. If you don't recall Mr. Packer, look in the dictionary under "tool." His photo should be there.

2. I wonder if Shelley Smith ate a dozen chocolate-covered cream filled in a total funk after the punishment was handed down.

3. THT, please do not reference the 1978 game against the U. It was the first time I used salty language in front of my father. He wasn't impressed, but he was less impressed with our defense. Thankfully he didn't reveal my indiscretion to Mama.

4. Where is the hidden hand of ESPN in all of this? It has way too much at stake to be merely objective reporters.

4.

3.

9:53 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Georgia Tech to the BIG TEN!!!

No, I don't think it will happen, either. But this is an interesting thought process.

my apology if someone already linked this.

9:54 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Jet - is that Randomonium radioactive? Or is it a toilet cleanser?

9:56 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

For the record, I wish Auburn had Miami's "short" run of success of five national titles in twenty years from 1982-2001.

9:58 PM  
Blogger Jet G. Hate said...

The SEC should invite Prattville or Hoover before invites Grant Avenue Institute for the Really Dorky.

9:59 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Thanks THT. It is fascinating to think of GT in the Big10. Keep in mind that GT does have some history with Notre Dame too. I would be surprised, but in some ways it would make sense because of one thing, Atlanta.

The SEC getting a couple of Texas/Oklahoma schools, Virginia Tech, and FSU or Miami would make a lot of sense to me.

10:04 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

If the Big Ten wants a presence in the Atlanta market, I say we offer them Ga State.

10:07 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Still no history, E-bro. You can have it. Glorifying it is too close to Bammer envy for me. Those MNC's aren't making them any more attractive today, and they were considered nothing special before Uncle Howard took over.

10:09 PM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

I need dead historic coaches for me to give a program credit.

10:10 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

then hire a hit man.

10:11 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Miami had a decent season last year and looks to be headed in the right direction.

10:13 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

I am seeing more info saying Texas and A&M are talking with the SEC. Things still seem to point to Texas to the PacX or Big10, but I think there is still a possibility of the SEC horns. There also still seems to be some effort to save the Big12, although that is really hard to see at this point, assuming Nebraska is gone.

10:19 PM  
Blogger ehyou said...

Miami had Howard "The Ultimate Moustache" Schnellenberger....that is good enough for me.

10:22 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

USC should really have a reunion of their 2004 team, including Reggie Bush. I am sure that the players that weren't the stars but worked their butts off for that title would love a chance to discuss the situation with him. Please, no cameras present during the reunion.

10:28 PM  
Blogger Jet G. Hate said...

Jet hearts Schnellenberger.

10:46 PM  
Blogger Ben Stein said...

Wait... did that last line say:

"Prohibition of all non-university personnel, including boosters, from... donation of funds;" ???

Uh. That would be huge.

11:08 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

well, I've got to get back to some map stuff and then to bed. Y'all wake me up if there's any realignment news (college football, not chiropractic) during the night.

11:16 PM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

From what I have read, Nebraska will be the news tomorrow, and most everything else will wait until at least next week.

11:22 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

just got a text msg from an attorney

no wait, my mistake...

from LAWYER TILLMAN telling me there are 85 days til kickoff!!!

GO TIGERS!!!

WARRRRRRRRRRRR EAGLE!!!

11:58 PM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

no doubt he was texting from the Eastern Time Zone

11:59 PM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Morning Hotties.

Being at work at 5:15 is fun, fun, but I'm not phased. Big day/weekend ahead.

World Cup kicks off in 4.5 hours and I'll be heading up to Manchester, TN, later this afternoon to Do the Roo.

Gonna be an epic weekend.

4:30 AM  
Blogger NoVaTiger said...

Is there some sort of soccer tournament going on somewhere?

5:19 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

I've been wanting to give Arkansas back for years, now the SEC is talking about moving farther west.

I'm ok with expansion, but not into Texas and Oklahoma.

6:04 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

E-Bro,

I'm with you, I'd take Miami's short term success at Auburn.

6:04 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Don't get me wrong. I understand where PF is coming from concerning Miami. They don't have the greatest fanbase nor the greatest stadium. And I don't want sustained twenty year period of success and then nothing.

But five national titles? Impressive. Plus, they showed signs of recovery last year. No reason to think they couldn't be back. I'm sure people said Miami was done when Butch Davis took over, but he handwrapped a national title for Coker in 2001.

And but for a bad call from the ref in 2002, they could be the only school in the BCS era with back to back undisputed national titles.

I imagine they'll be back to at least some prominence at some point again.

6:16 AM  
Blogger CH=B=Big round thing made of cheese said...

Good morning all. I don't care what happens with realignment. I just want to see some football soon....very soon.

Ben Stein, that last line did say that but I think it was referring to football camps.

6:38 AM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

I want several full trophy cases at Auburn, and not just the ones that say "SEC Western Division Champion" that we got for being co-champion and not going to the game.

6:47 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Belive it or not RK, I think in 2001 we might have actually sized up the players for rings for being SEC West co-champs.

Ugh.

6:53 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

So if we're somehow awarded a national championship for 2004, what should we do in Tubs' honor?

Something, right? Erect a statue? Rename a street after him?

7:48 AM  
Blogger Lt. scottie b Aldo Rain said...

morning.

happy Lawyer Tillman day to you too!

7:56 AM  
Blogger Lt. scottie b Aldo Rain said...

E-Bro, we should ask Marquis Daniels where to get a bust made of Tubs. the players can rub it as they're coming out of the tunnel.

8:01 AM  
Blogger Lt. scottie b Aldo Rain said...

speaking of Tubs, he wants his TROPHY.

8:03 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

you can spend an hour reading all the articles from around the country on Realignment News. And you can access them all via links provided here.

8:06 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

If we get the 2004 NC, then we should build a Rose Garden for Tubs.

8:25 AM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

So according to Mike Garrett of USC, we're all just jealous.

I'm amazed this guy still has a job.

8:26 AM  
Blogger Eddie said...

Seanzie- He won't have a job much longer. His arrogance seems to have been a factor in them getting hammered the way they did.

8:28 AM  
Blogger Seanzie said...

In other news, the World Cup has arriveth.

8:40 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

In a related note, I will be going HABOTN AND GWC dark in the next twenty minutes.

Not about to ask any here not post scores from the World Cup over the next month, but I'm at work and can't watch the games live.

I'm sure everyone really cares about my self-imposed internet blackout.

8:42 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

for those of you who didn't click on the link I provided earlier, don't bother at the moment. It has just reverted to yesterday's version which is useless.

8:44 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

E-Bro South Africa scored in the first minute and already up 1-0.











j/k

8:46 AM  
Blogger Jimmy said...

Down with El Tri, Down with El Tri!

8:50 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Nice try. Kick-off not till ten minuts from now.

8:51 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Jimmy...word.

8:51 AM  
Blogger Lt. scottie b Aldo Rain said...

how would you know E-Bro? you're blacked out! ha.

8:52 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Not for another four minutes. I'm trying to satisfy my HABOTN fix in the mean time.

8:56 AM  
Blogger E-Bro said...

Catch y'all on the flip side of the World Cup.

9:01 AM  
Blogger Miller said...

I like the look of the WC blog, JGT....
When's the HABOTN tranformation supposed to take place?

9:09 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I went to the WC blog once. I shan't go back. Don't want to dilute/pollute the enthusiasm there.

85d9h10m til my kind of football

9:26 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

need another one of these: '

9:27 AM  
Blogger Miller said...

I don't understand futbol enough to know what's good or bad... I know if the ball goes in the net, and that's about it. Similar to hockey...

I have played soccer, indoor soccer... that's fun stuff.

9:35 AM  
Blogger Jet G. Hate said...

How to honor Tubeville ... that one's easy.

Make a contribution to Ducks Unlimited.

9:41 AM  
Blogger Miller said...

Baseball signee, Bryce Lane, signed a deal with the Astros (they drafted him in the 41st round)...
Disappointing...

9:59 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

It is amazing how Auburn fans refer to the coach that may brought the school possibly the best season in school history and one of the best decades. Someone call Hank and get him to sing about family tradition.

10:05 AM  
Blogger Miller said...

What is that incessant sound during the world cup match? It sounds like a hive of bees...

10:06 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

That is pretty annoying. I assumed it was some weird South African cheer.

10:08 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

TCU vs Texas in baseball superregional today.

TCU's pitcher is a freshman, 13-0 on the season.
He was a first round draft choice by the Rangers last year (14th overall) and chose TCU. wow. I would have to be the son of a Texas oil tycoon or cattle baron to be able to do that.

10:08 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Miller, SteveFC - it's South Africa's version of the cowbell. And it is highly annoying. I heard it last year when they had the "pre-World Cup" event in South Africa. I had hoped they would put the announcers in sound proof booths for the WC. I guess not. Really doesn't matter since I'm not even watching.

10:10 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

It's the vuvuzela.

I think they used to be popular at college football games back in the '60s.

10:13 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

How many players are on the field per team in soccer?

10:15 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

10 + the keeper (I think that's the term for goalie).

But if you get two yellow cards, or a single red card, you are out and cannot be replaced. Unlike hockey, ...oh, nevermind.

10:16 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Twelve people have apparently been killed in a flash flood at a camp ground in Arkansas. Pretty shocking.

10:32 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Hallelujah!!!

Calif. Teen Sailor Located, Alive and Well, Drifting in Indian Ocean


I don't do boats or deep water. Both are too dangerous.

10:33 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Yea, I don't really understand why a 16 year old is circling the globe alone in a boat, but I was glad to hear that she is apparently okay. Some emergency beacon apparently helped the locate her.

10:38 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

she's as close or closer to Antarctica than to either Africa or Australia

10:41 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Yea, and I can't imagine enduring 30 foot waves for days on end. How could anyone get any sleep. Such a trip would certainly build character, but it seems like a bit more risk than I would be willing to take.

10:45 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Aren't we suppose to get the final word on Nebraska to the Big10 today?

10:49 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

We should all email E-Bro with score updates and spoilers. He would appreciate that

10:54 AM  
Blogger weagle251 said...

If you're sailing around the world at the higher latitudes, isn't that, I dunno... cheating?

10:54 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Around is around, as far as I'm concerned. Guess this chick's brother did it last year at 17. He's still the superior sibling.

10:56 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

Hmmm, I suppose if you don't consider the latitude, you could be the fastest person to walk around the world, if you didn't freeze to death first.

10:59 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

First game: DRAW.

11:00 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

ESPN is about to talk about where Texas will end up.

11:01 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

They cut from Soccer coverage to talk Texas football hypotheticals? FANTASTIC!

11:04 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

there are some big land masses that prevent an around the world sail at the lower latitudes. Besides, she started way above the equator and is now way below the equator, so it averages out. I still think people who do that are nuts. Put a gun to my head and I'd take a balloon over a boat. Keep the gun holstered, I'll stay on terra firma.

11:05 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

They went back to soccer. I don't quite understand the joy of getting a tie, but apparently there is a history of the home team not losing the initial game in the world cup. I just have trouble seeing a tie as a good thing. It seems like a lot of running around for nothing.

11:07 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

PF - you watching Vandy & FSU?



Nebraska regents meeting probably won't be over til late afternoon. I guess I could get some work done in the meantime.

11:07 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

THT,

Will be in just a second...Forgot it was a noon game.

11:08 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

Vandy 3 up 3 down in top of 1st.

...oops, didn't mean to spoil it for you.

11:09 AM  
Blogger Peter Frankenschmidt said...

Ha. Awesome. I'll put that in my email to E-bro.

11:09 AM  
Blogger SteveFC said...

How does a basketball player get the nick of Big Baby?

11:11 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

I wonder if any USC rising Jrs and/or Srs will transfer. NCAA doesn't require them to sit out due to 2 year bowl ban. Am I a bad person for hoping a bunch of them bolt?

11:12 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

anyone see Norm? Or is he watching the WC? ;-)

11:12 AM  
Blogger Tar Heel Tiger said...

so, how does this page flip thing work?

11:13 AM  
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