Looking ahead to Thursday
Hey everyone. Thanks for making today the SINGLE GREATEST DAY in HABOTN history. We have seen traffic numbers I considered impossible six months ago. HOTTIES > everyone else on earth.So tomorrow, here's what you can expect:
- Jay Jacobs speaks at 11 a.m. I'll have a live blog going. I'll be getting footage for a video.
- Kirk Sampson, Auburn's excellent media relations ace, said two players will be available for interviews. I expect one of them to be Jason Bosley.
- We'll be scanning the nation for the people and places Jacobs seeks for guidance. He needs a coach. We'll figure out where that next guy is right now.
On that note, I am headed back to the Gump for a few hours of sleep ...
posted by Jay G. Tate at
11:02 PM
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Wow I leave to go to a Hawks game and I miss 1,000 comments. What a day...And now we've got another watch to start.
Thanks Jay.
Congratulations on getting this right. You called it a couple of months ago and stuck with it while some of the other guys insisted he would return.
So - now - for the love of....and all that is Holy, can we give the effin admin the slack it deserves?
Coach Tuberville resgined.
Looks, sounds, tastes, smells like a peaceful parting.
"Oh God Oh God, we're a lauaghing stock."
Puhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Leeeeeze.
Jay, as always, thanks for your reportage on all things AU.
You put the H in HABOTN.
Great coverage. I came here first before any other places to get my info.
Thanks, Jay.
Feel free to come to the Extension to get some pecan pie on my behalf.
Awesome work Jay. Thanks for having a place like HABOTN up and running for all of us.
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Get ready to be called out by Bosley tomorrow. I bet he's not a happy camper.
On a side note, the national media is in full righteous indignation mode (as predicted by many) in the wake of this.
Eerily familiar to how Alabama got shellacked for firing Shula. Let's all hope Auburn's next move is one in an exciting direction.
Good work today, Jay. As always...
Excellent reporting Jay as usual. I checked in all day while at work. Unfortunately I can't participate in the lively discussions, but I can read all of the interesting comments.
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I think Jay just wanted an excuse to start a new thread. He saw 400 comments looming and had to put a stop to the catastrophe of having to scan through three separate pages. Crisis averted. Great job on the continued pursuit of the scoop. The HOTTIES definately appreciate it.
I saw some discussion in the last post that it is easier to get in a BCS game year in and year out being in the ACC. People, that's a bunch of horse manure. LSU won the championship last year with two, count 'em, two losses. Florida will probably win it this year with one. Two years ago, Florida won it with one. Do you see the trend?
ACC = little sister, even when we are having a down year as a conference.
Chris,
Certainly you don't actually believe the "resignation" thing. It has been reported (in several places, including here) that he is being paid 5 million dollars. Coaches that resign don't get handed 5 million dollars as a parting gift. Coaches that get FIRED get what is contractually obligated to them. In this case 5 million dollars.
Maybe JayG would be so kind as to check the contract for anything that states Tubs get paid if he resigns. If that's in there, I stand corrected.
I don't care whether folks cut the admin any slack or not, I have to assume they did what they thought was best or what they had to do. Either way it's a done deal now. Most of us will ever know the true story. Anything you read in the media is likely half truths at best. What I do care about is Auburn University, and what Auburn University better be caring about at this point is getting somebody very good in here to run this football program. I am still hopeful (if not completely confident) that they will succeed in doing that. If they can't do that, then they don't deserve any slack at all.
Good luck to Tuberville, Good luck to Auburn, and, as always...
WAR DAMN EAGLE.
Amen Phred. I voiced that same sentiment in the other thread.
Post above should read "...NEVER know the true story."
Phred, you said ACC = little sister. That was my point... That's why it's easier to get into a BCS bowl game in the ACC at UNC than at Auburn. Conference champion goes to BCS, where do you think it's easier to win the conference, the ACC or the SEC?
I want Butch Davis, but I don't think he's leaving Chapel Hill.
How many ACC teams have played for a BCS championship?
wonder if jacbos will be releasing the list today
There will be no official list released by Auburn. I'm pretty sure of that.
I was upset yesterday after hearing the news. I think its a bad move all around. I thought it was a smart move to give Tubbs one more year. Why? Save $6 million, keep some good recruits, give the man some lee way who has done good things for our program and also because this is not a year with alot of quality coaching candidates available.
I understand many of you didnt like Tubbs, even before the firing. So I understand your side. But many of you that didnt like Tubbs have spewed some hate towards those that did. That I cant understand. I think as Auburn fans we should all be on the same team, whether or not we disagree. We should all agree this is not going to be an easy process to navigate through. The next 12 months will be hell on fans, players, etc.
Lets see the tally now, $6 million for Tubbs, another million or so for assistants. Half a million for a search firm. Then another $6 million for a new head coach and assistants. MMMM, well I am not math wizard but that is alot of cash. I hope Auburn doesnt plan a building or expansion plan anytime soon because I can tell you where the money has been spent.
READ MY WORDS: NO MIKE LEACH, HE IS THE WORSE HIRE FOR AUBURN, EVER. I CRINGE WHEN I HEAR THAT NAME.
RK- Florida State is the only one, and they have played for 3 of them I think?
1998
1999
2000
I think Barkley's point is not about playing for a BCS championship but simply playing in a BCS bowl. It is easier to win the ACC and go to a BCS bowl than it is to win the SEC. Although winning the ACC will likely never get you in the championship game.
Will Muschamp is the only hire that will soothe this over. Anyone else it still leaves a nasty scar that wont heal. Same as Bama's hire, if they would not have gotten Saban, I dont think that would ever healed.
Why would hiring a guy who no coaching experience and nobody knows what they will really get be the only thing that can soothe things?
A lot of assumptions there. One that Muschamp will be a top level HC right out of the gate and the other being that things are that bad that they need to be soothed.
Ok, hear me out. Everyone complains that this years senior class was weak because of the fallout from Jet gate. Well now what is going to happen. With more and more recruits committing early its going to be a tough year. I dont forsee us having a top2 5 calss at this point based on the way kids are decommitting. Its Dec. 4th, we might not get a coach for 2 weeks, that mid Dec. that leaves the new coach to get a staff and recruit less than a month. MMMM, I wonder how that will turn out. You think Sen Derrick and AC will go pro now? Most Jr's do when a new staff comes in. Get ready Auburn fans, you didnt like 5-7? well next year will be worse, people going Pro, weak recruiting and a rough road schedule. Ouch...i am sick to my stomach. Worse now I have to go to work and explain why my university did such a dumb thing.
Antonio Coleman's nephew here in Mobile just decommitted. Yes, we need him, so dont say we didnt.
I think people are overreacting to recruits wavering right now.
1st, we were going to lose some of them anyway. It happens.
2nd, some of the people list on our class we needed to lose anyway.
3rd, if you make the right hire, we can pull the ones we want back in.
Why would any top level coach leave their successful programs to come in to the storm that is Auburn football. I say top level because the only names I'm hearing from the group are Leach (has his program going in the Big 12), Muschamp (heir to the Texas throne), Davis (has UNC where he wants), and the rest. I'm not sure the lure of big money is going to get the kind of person we want as a HC at our school.
But I hear Fulmer is available. And Bill Cowher.
Highly competitive individuals would want to go where the bigger challenge would be. That would be in the SEC.
Seriously, I know the PTB didn't handle this well, but I never knew so many Auburn fans considered us more on the Miss State level.
Its not that, coaches love money, but, a coach looks and sees what out PTB do to people and they say I want no part of that plain and simple. I knew I would be micormanaged by Lowder and Yella wood, and that my AD was a puppet I would not take it. I love Auburn by the PTB have got to go.
Tubs, Thanks for everything. I never thought I'd see a 6 game streak vs the bad guys. Thank you.
Now, I don't know who the next guy will be, or should be, but I do know this: It is time to make a splash and raise the excitement level.
Hire somebody that makes people go "Wow!"
Who is that guy?
I think Tub will always have a high level of respect in Auburn history. He's earned it.
I understand going for the bigger challenge. But do you want to go into that situation where you would constantly be looking over your shoulder to see if those same powers that hired you are now ready to get rid of you? Obviously winning seasons don't matter to some of those folks. The other problem is that we aren't at the MSU level, we are at the top 15 in the US level. But in my opinion, which may or may not be fully in the know of how college athletics work, I don't think you can ask a group to handle their business the way they do AND have to try and please the whims of boosters.
I know it's bad at Auburn, but any high level job like that you have people meddling in your affairs.
You think it's not like that at Alabama, Tennessee, Florida and others?
We just need to make a strong hire like Alabama did with Saban. A guy who doesn't take crap from the PTB, but also knows how to work people into believing in them and backing off.
The doom and gloom just isn't appropriate...yet. If these goofs make a bad Shula type hire, then I can see where there would be a problem.
RK ,,, we agree on some things, disagree on others ... I couldn't agree with you more about the recruits ... they're 17 and 18 ... they're emotional ... that can be settled, and yes, some of them don't need to come.
RK, you're rolling!
Keep preachin'!
Jay in all my shock yesterday I forgot to tell you thanks for the job you're doing man. This is without a doubt the HBOTN not just AU blog. Now alot more people know it and maybe you'll get your due credit. You better not start charging for this though..jk..Thanks Again Jay and sorry I missed the fire HOTTIES. Here's to hoping AU makes the right hire..NOT MIKE LEACH he's a fruit loop...WAR EAGLE
Did the basketball team win last night? Oh thats right they lost again. Wow, cant wait for the SEC season, someone send me some ticket info (sarcasm)
Ok all, here is what I believe needs to happen:
Auburn needs to do exactly what Bama did, and that is give the new coach all the control of things and all the power. It is a risk, but it is one that will be required with this hire, especially to get a big time hire. I think control goes hand in hand with money, and it has to be a package deal. IF TPTB do not do this, then we will end up with Jimbo Fisher of Will Muschamp type of hire. If we want more, we have to give more.
That is my 2 cents.
The main name I keep hearing is Leach, my question is why?
Thanks Jay. Your efforts and calm voice of reason are much appreciated!
Wild Turkey, are you a tad bit upset that you won't have Tuberville around to make a mockery of anymore? Just curious based on your body of work this season.
Jay, hope somebody other than Bosley will be available for interviews after the 11am presser. That guy has gothic written all over him in another life.
Bosley and Lester. Great guys. But n material worth noting from an interview standpoint.
Eddie, is there a coach out there right now worth that kind of risk? I mean Saban was the homerun for bama. I don't see a homerun for AU..maybe Cowher??
Wartiger- I would like to believe that it will not be anybody that we are currently mentioning.
Then who?
Any name I throw out there, I would be pulling out of my @ss.
Spurrier, Muschamp, Cowher, Gill Turner..my list in that order..out of my @ss..
Turner Gill* something like that..Buffalo dude
Jack Del Rio, Butch Davis, John Gruden, Bill Cowher would be names out of my @ss.
I think Gill Turner is an executive at Microsoft, I don't think he's the best choice for a head coaching job, but you never know.
:-)
Muschamp is not coming. In fact, he emphatically said he would not come. I can give you a direct quote but that kind of language isn't welcome in here. Kids should not read it.
As a Steelers fan, Cowher would be great. However I don't know if he has ever recruited before, so he'd have to bring in a good staff to support him there.
Terrance Coleman is a 6' 240lb defensive tackle. He should be a fullback. Is that really a HUGE loss?
Since we are throwing names out there, how about Bill Belichek.
Here's an out of the @ss name: Gary Patterson
THanks RK..I can't spell that condition where things go backwards but mine apparently has taken hold..dyxlexia..hmmm
I'm in favor of Turner Gill. He's about to play for the littl league national championship. And his team as well as Ball State would rip Auburn a new one.
Turner Gill was a big player in Nebraska's successes through the late '90s. This guy can coach and he can also recruit.
As the one who nominated the temporary name change of the HABOTN last week, I have another suggestion ...
The Hysterical-ist Auburn Blog on the Net
At least until all of us back away from the ledge, so to speak.
Muschamp- I agree with you about Gill, but Auburn seems to not be even looking at him.
I thought Gill was the lead candidate for the Syracuse job
I really hope Gill gets a look, and if he doesn't I hope it's not because of some horrible reasons.
Also with Gill, we'd be able to keep him until the Nebraska job comes open again.
I just hope that those IDIOTS make the right decision for Auburn.
What up, peops?
I'm getting ready for a return trip to the Plains. Assistants are meeting with Tuberville around 9. I gotta see a few of these guys ...
I get tired of Scarbinsky's garbage...
Jay-Thanks for the time you put in over at the complex now known as the zoo.
Someone wrote earlier that you have to give control to the new guy. I agree. UAT was scoffed at for 'backing up the Brinks truck and giving Saban the keys," but look what it got them. Now is there another one out there. Not sure, but we need to look hard. And I would say that if the PTB can't give up the power, then I wouldn't come and most others wouldn't either. If you were given a job to do and then told who you had to fire/hire but you were responsible for the entire teams performance, I'm not sure you would take the job either. $4 million not withstanding.
Well, one of the regarded insiders on the bunker said that 5 to keep an eye on are:
Steve Spurrier
Will Muschamp
Mike Leach
Paul Johnson
Brian Kelly
Names to stratch off list:
Bobby Petrino
Turner Gill
Jimbo Fisher.
He says that if not for Petrino clause, he would be introdced as the next coach. He said Petrino is kicking himself right now.
This guy is usually dead on, thought I would share it here.
PatDyesWild - With all due respect, for you to think this situation will "never heal" is, in my humble opinion, an overstatement of gargantuan proportions. We will hire, recruit, win and move on. Recruits that drop - let ‘em drop. Our new coach will bring new recruits. Besides, no recruit belongs to us until signing day.
Have a safe trip to the Plains Jay! Will Tuberville be involved in this press conference today at 11?
Heard Ensminger's wife went on the radio yesterday and blasted Auburn for the way they handled this.
I wish she would've gone on the radio and blasted her husband for his pitiful attempt at coordinating an offense.
She should've been thanking AU for letting the tick hang around as long as he did.
Well said, Monica.
Good morning Hotties!
Gonna be another unproductive day here at work - oh well...
Mr. S. I made a good faith effort to listen to ya this AM but I had to much chaos going on around the house.
Jay G. > all other bloggers/hacks
:-)
Should be an eventful day today.
So what is everyone's prediction on when the new coach will be announced...
wildturkey - Good posts, you saved me a lot of typing.
I thought I might feel better about things in the morning.
I don't.
I heard a bammer on the radio last week who said that they had to absolutely hit rock bottom before they could get to the point that they were willing to bring in a good coach and give him total control, with the good ole boys staying out of his way.
I think we've got to do the same. It won't happen with this hire; we've got to fall a lot further.
A good day to all.
The new coach will be announced Monday. And it will not be Muscamp...or Fisher...or Davis...or Spurrier...
"I heard a bammer on the radio last week..."
Stop right there. You already lost credible listeners.
Is anyone else shocked by the amount of backlash/ bad press AU is getting over this? Obviously it wasn't priority one to fire CTT. If that's the case, it happens Monday morning, not Wednesday afternoon. None of us really knows what happened behind those closed doors.
I was shocked this morning to wake up and discover ... the sky is still there! I thought it would have all fallen away by now.
Where do place our nominations for the best sports blogger of the year award?
I wonder if the true story about what has happened and is going on now will ever be told.
you can place them in my mailbox PF and check the box next to 'Scottie'.
thanks.
Here's the bottom line. Tuberville is staying in Auburn. He will not be considering any other coaching vacancies. He's almost 55. He's rich. He just "earned" another 6 mill for stepphing down.
Trust me. He stepped down on his own will and his own account. This didn't dream itself up in three days starting this past Monday.
So what does everyone expect to hear today at 11?
I expect the JJ spin machine to be on the hurricane force setting. I doubt anything substantive comes out of the presser. Maybe I will be wrong?
Muschamp, agree 100 percent. There's more to this story than the AU PTB had it in for Tuberville since 2003.
I expect JJ's voice to sound like a goofy hillbilly and him to say nothing of substance and be thankful of Tub.
If he answers questions, they will be danced around.
Tub got tired of waiting and forced their hand yesterday...otherwise we'd probably still be waiting.
James- I think this will be goodbye / Thanks presser for Tubs today.
RK, more evidence to support the idea that Tuberville wanted it this way.
Prediction:
Muschamp and I will be flying in from Texas on Monday.
He may be denyin', but I ain't buyin'.
Puttin' the band back together ... Muschamp, Searels, Craig.
Gonna play the Palace Hotel Ballroom. And we're gonna fill that barn.
So get your Orange Whips, and get ready.
If I'm Tubs, why go through another rough year, scar my legacy more, when I can play poker, wait 'em out and walk away with nearly 6 million.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't be so negative. I'm sure the new hire will come in and get along fabulously with the good ole boys that are firmly in control of Auburn right now. The national press will love us again and all mamas will want to send their sons to play for Auburn. We will win 10 straight MNC and force Saban out of AL in just one season. The sun is shining bright!
Oops, actually the sky is black and its pouring down rain.
Jay made a comment last night that made me re-think a bit. He said something that lead me to believe the decision to get rid of Tuberville was made yesterday, which is apparently the case.
Because of this, I don't think it is fair to criticize Auburn for firing Tuberville, yes, he was fired. Call it resigned if you like, but he was fired. But it appears that Auburn was not set on firing him. They likely were attempting to re-negotiate his contract to make it easier to get rid of him next season if things didn't improve. That is what I read into it.
So, blame Tuberville? No, I am not saying that either. I am saying that both are to blame for not being able to work out something that worked both ways.
I think Jacobs didn't want to look like an idiot giving the guy an extra year and still having to pay $6 Million if we flopped again next season. Tuberville likely fought to protect his buyout.
In the end, they weren't able to come to a concensus and do what was best for Auburn, and that is sad, but it isn't fair to just blame Auburn. Tuberville is just as much to blame.
word hotties..another day.
So what does everyone think they'll do with Tuberville today?
I've only been a HABOTN hottie for a few months so relative to you guys who have been around for years I realize I'm fresh off the boat. So, I will speak from my rookie perspective and for myself only.
Some of the reasons I've come to love LOVE the HABOTN:
-Reliable reporting from Jay G.
-The access Jay G. provides to Auburn athletics
-Jay G.'s responsiveness to Hottie requests
-HOTTIES who are knowledgeable, respectful, obsessed, humorous, usually level headed and quite frankly, not "tolerant" but accepting of women on a male dominated forum.
I am a refugee of al.com and the Bunker. So, maybe I'm a little PTDS/shell shocked and that compels me to say please PLEASE let's try to dampen any hysteria and general nastiness. Nastiness that is often an attempt at humor, but can lead to hotties insulting fellow hotties and worse.
I'm as obsessed and hotheaded and ridiculous as anyone here, so maybe this is a post to myself, but I really want to do my part to protect the HABOTN from al.com-itis.
I promise no more long posts from me! :-)
War Eagle!
I guess Tubby's free to duck hunt whenever he wants now. I just don't know how healthy it is having two coaches hanging around town "just hunting and fishing"...
wow, some auburn kool aid drinkers have arrived. The fact that we are auburn doesnt help. I am not being a debbie downer, just stating a fact that its gonna be a bumpy ride, no magic wand here. More like a beat stick. or as you could say being a realist. It will hurt recruiting. That is a fact, it always does. I am not saying ten years from now, just saying the class of 2008 will not be remembered as earth shattering and yes, Terrance Coleman is worth it, as is the Mobile pipeline down here. Auburn needs as many of these kids as they can.
A different note, the dothan eagle had a article on tubbs mother and her reaction when her son got home. pretty interesting read.
To follow Queen Monica ... the truth usually is somewhere in the middle ... there were no clean hands in all of this.
And I firmly believe that it was time for change. We can debate who it ought to be ... my list (again) -- Boom, Petrino, Johnson, Butch.
Muschamp is in the bag. Joe Whitt is holding the bag. We will be one happy family.
WTC ... oh, I just bumped my head on the 12 foot ceiling
Here is a thought, Pat Dye comes back, brings Wayne Hall and Bill Oliver, Jimbo Fisher, Tommy Bowden, Rodney Garner, any other old school hires..lol..comical join in...:)
"Muschamp is in the bag."
I didn't know he had a drinking problem.
PDWT ... Wayne Hall will build the football facility ... Oliver will bring the crane.
You know the drill, you just need to fish your pants out of Lake Martin to supervise!
Jay,
I'm curious why you'd think a departing senior would be one of the two players available today. Or does Bosley have another year of eligibility?
I agree there are no clean hands in this. Auburn and Tuberville were not able to come up with a way to do what is best for Auburn, and that is sad.
I keeping being surprised by people that think we will have to settle for a head coach with no previous experience. I mean, I don't think we will be able to get a Nick Saben type hire because the environment is different, but we should be able to get a Leach type hire, or another hot and upcoming coach.
I also saw Spurrier listed, and that is kind of intriguing. A lot of times you see schools with transitional coaches such as Barfield and Bowden. They are coaches you knew wouldn't make it the long haul, but seem to sometimes be necessary. A guy like Spurrier would be great in a roll like that, assuming he would be satisfied with coaching another 5 or 6 years.
I saw where someone compared us with Mississippie State. That is far from the case. If there is anyone in the west that we compare to, I would say it is Arkansas and more specifically Arkansas under Nutt. Yes, we were better in general, but Nutt made the SECCG one more time than us.
This is an interesting time in Auburn history. We need to keep a positive attitude. These transition years can be two or three or they can be a couple of decades. Having a positive attitude and finding an experienced coach is crucial.
Is it true that Tubs broke down in front of the team? Man, that's sad. Best wishes to him.
If you missed me on the Wake Up Call on WTLS, you can hear the replay tonight at 6 pm CST on WTLS.
You have to expect he would break down. He's put a lot of time into this for the past decade and he probably feels like he let them down this year and it won't be on him to fix it.
Good work JG
Can't wait to see what happens today.
Mr. S - Good job on WTLS this morning.
I hope that Tub talks to the media today too. I think he needs to get his chance to say goodbye in public.
anyone else still feel lost and in shock?
I always feel lost, so I don't guess this changed anything...and this didn't shock me at all.
Yeah, Harrison, I'm still feeling pretty numb, and disappointed, and worried for the next five years of Auburn football.
yeah. i am terrified of this next hire and the following 2-3 seasons of auburn football. it is going to be strange not seeing TT on the sideline next year
Michael & Harrison,
Why so glum fellas? He walked away. He's not dead. Nobody is hating on him.
It's just time to change.
It'll be all good when the wins start rolling.
Right guys, remember, it's a football team. Everything goes in a cycle. Had this year not happened or happened better, Tub might only be here another 2-3 years anyway.
Like I said earlier, this is probably the most important hire for Auburn in my lifetime. They better get it right. I think it was time for change, but they had better had a plan.
I really liked Tubs and wnated him back. My soph. year at AU was Tubs 1st year and have had season tix ever since. I don't think i'd be more disappointed if my wife's cat got ran over
To those recruits who are bailing, do what you must do for you. Choose your education wisely, fellas. the NFL is never a guarantee no matter what you are told.
One thing is for sure, ain't nothing like love from Auburn fans.
Just saying...
Eddie, I think the PTB do have a plan otherwise I think they would have caved like ND did with ole Charlie. They haven't made horrible hires in the past. Bowden was iffy but he had at least two good years.
Apparently I am drinking the Kool-Aid. I feel happy and optimistic. CTT walked away with a wonderful future, the opportunity to see his child grow up & play ball their own games of football, and a nice payday for the success and class that he brought to our University. We the Auburn family need to embrace the change and remember why we say War Eagle in the first place.
I think the hire after Dye was more important because we had two straight non winning seasons and Alabama was coming off of a National Championship and looking unbeatable.
Tubs is now being called on to be a "Special Asst. to the President." I wonder what that will entail.
Sensible, I hear what you are saying, I'm just saying that I don't feel there is a bonafide replacement that can walk in here and get the job done and I fear we are going to through a Bama like cycle like from 2000-2007. There are some decent candidates out there, but they are really few and far between, and I'm not sure of anything good coming from this coaching search.
I mean, surely nobody wants Leach. We lost to Bama 36-0 as a 5-7 team the other day and Leach took his number two ranked team into Norman a couple of weeks ago and got pasted 65-21.
well said sensi...
I see Michael. Tubs wasn't a world beater when he came in here either. Sometimes coaches just need a chance. Let's give the new one(s) that chance before we write the future totally off. And remember, as "involved" as TPTB can be at Auburn, they are nothing on the level of incompetent that UAT's PTB are .
War Eagle!
I am part of the anti-leach campaign. i think he'd be a fun uncle or something
I can see a scenario where in a few years Tub comes back as the AD.
Say what you want about him, he's a class act in almost everything he has done.
RK, I would love to see Tuberville supplant Jay Jacobs as AD, and then all those mediaites that labeled us as insenstive backwards folks, will realize how stupid they are.
Mr. Sensible, I agree. No matter who they hire, they need to be judged on how they perform, not what the impressions of them are when they come in.
Agreed, Sensible. I'm going to get behind whoever comes in (as if my support offered anything tangible to the guy), and I'll give him a chance just like I do everybody.
I hope for nothing but the best for Auburn and I'll be just as disappointed as anybody if things don't work out in the coming years, I guess I'm just saying I may be a little less surprised than some might be.
Whether it was time for a change or not is irrelevant. It has been done and cannot be undone. It is time to unit behind whoever they choose to bring in.
I just do not think I can support Leach as Auburn's head coach. I love Auburn and I only want the best for Auburn and in MHO I do not think that Leach is the best for Auburn.
I don't know about anything with a unit behind the next coach?
I might unite behind him. However, nothing with the unit.
I think the fear of Leach is unfounded. I'm not an expert on Big 12 football, but I know before he went to Texas Tech, I had never heard of that program. They have done well and are always producing quality players and records. I know they aren't world beater records and Leach is goofy, but he plays in one of toughest divisions in college football where just about every other program has more resources and influence. He is not Auburn's traditional style but I don't think its fair to totally discount this man's ability to build a program.
Michael4AU, I do believe as a hole the attitude of the Auburn fan base has a huge influence. Look at Bama under Curry. He was doing a very good job, but lost the support of the fans because he failed to beat some great Pat Dye teams, so Bama went through turmoil.
Fan attitude is likely also very visible to recruits. I believe in the value of positive thinking, not moaning over what ifs, and judging the next coach on what he does as a whole. A new coach means that we have to be patient enough to give him at least 4 years to prove himself, which is certainly a big cost compared to giving Tuberville one, but it is what it takes. If not, we will be on the coaching rollercoaster.
WarEagleRK, hahaha, I will have to rethink the unit thing. It might break some kind of morality laws.
I'm basing my opinion of Leach on what I do know about his record as a HC. His record at Texas Tech is no better than Tub's record at Auburn. If Auburn wants to continue to be mediocre then hire Leach and we will never reach the next level.
Mr. Sensible, Tuberville was one of the hot up and coming coaches when he came in. I don't remember who all the others were at the time, but Frank Beamer was one. We need a coach like that, one that hasn't reached the superstar level yet, but loads of potential.
Well Just Win, you're looking at it from a W/L standpoint and not at the progression his team has made. Pat Dye wasn't a stellar coach before he came here, check out his record. Tommy Tuberville wasn't superman either. I would also say, the Big 12 South could be harder to win every year than the SEC West. Call me crazy but teams like Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor and Oklahoma State is a tough schedule every year. When you're bottom of the barrel starting out and starting to edge some of these programs for recruits and wins, I think you've done an outstanding job.
Monica - Good post at 8:47; I'll plead guilty and shut up now.
And I will support the new coach and do all I can to help Auburn, unless the new coach turns out to be a Scientologist, and then I'll do all I can to keep somebody with a worldview like that from being the chief ambassador for my school.
But I haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere except here, and hopefully, the rumors about him aren't true anyway.
Coosa out. Gonna try to get away from all of this for a while.
Sean, you are right I am looking at from a win/loss perspective and when you get right down to it wasn't Tubs on the hot seat because he didn't win enough?
JustWin, yes but he had been here ten years and things were going in the wrong direction, I don't think things in Lubbock are going in the wrong direction and I would think he could do better at a program like Auburn than at Texas Tech. Granted I'm not sold on the hire but I'm not sure it would be the disaster some are making it out to be.
Pat Dye was 48-18 at East Carolina...so he was a pretty successful HC before the Auburn job.
The just win thing won't work when you are changing head coaches. Changing head coaches typically means rebuilding a program. Recruits will leave as well as possibly current players. Marks and Coleman will likely now head to the NFL and Powers wouldn't surprise me either. Cotton has jumped ship. Terrence Coleman has also.
When changing head coaches, you have to expect at least a couple of down years. The change damages more than just the current team, it also damages recruiting relationships that will have to be rebuilt.
We aren't likely to see the success we had from 2004 to 2007 in the next couple of seasons. Getting a coach that is a good recruiter and can win with lesser talent might have us back to that level in the next 3 to 4 years. It is how the process works.
Sean, I want to see what we all refer to as "Auburn football" and Leach is not going to give us that. One more thing, Leach isn't a great recruiter and Auburn needs a great recruiter.
JWAU, I'm moving over to the new thread, we can continue the discussion there.
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