Baseball weekend wrap-up
Hey everyone. So Auburn had a fairly successful weekend on the ol' baseball diamond this weekend.
The Tigers earned a series sweep over Mississippi State, a team that entered the weekend in 11th place. Coach John Pawlowski's team handled business with amplomb -- particularly at the plate. That's where seven batters compiled weekend averages over .400.
Here is the honor roll:
- OF Brian Fletcher -- 7-for-14, 7 RBIs
- 1B Hunter Morris -- 6-for-12, 4 RBIs
- SS Casey McElroy -- 5-for-10, 6 RBIs
- C Ryan Jenkins -- 7-for-12, 6 RBIs
- DH Kevin Patterson -- 4-for-7, 3 RBIs
- 3B Dan Gamache -- 3-for-7, 3 RBIs
Auburn finished the weekend with 43 hits. Ten of them were doubles, one was a triple and the team hit 12 balls over the wall.
Stuff like that doesn't happen anywhere very often ... let alone Auburn.
So where is the team positioned in the standings? Glad you asked.
Auburn is 15-9 in league play, which places it in a tie for second in the Western Divison. The team is one game back of division-leading Arkansas. The team is tied for fourth overall ... and would have to completely implode to fall out of the postseason picture.
Next up: A home series against Tennessee, which currently is in 8th place.
Photo credit: Todd Van Emst/Auburn University
Questions? Comments? Post directly to the blog below or email me at jgtate@gannett.com.
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Keep Hate Alive!
I agree that Expansion is coming, I just think some are foolish to be excited by it, unless you are an unbiased college football fan. Then, you should be thrilled.
Regarding a playoff...I'd be fine with a plus one system. I don't think you need 8-16 teams to find the best one in college football. Four will suffice. Then keep the rest of the bowls as they are and the regular season still counts for a lot. Not much more of a workload (physical, academic, mental, etc.) for the players or Urban Meyer.
For the fifth team that is crying about being left out...tough. Better then being the third team that is left out.
I agree Bro. I could be happy with the Plus One system.
Y'all are just a bunch of haters.
Change is bad...it's debul's work.
I kid.
In the current system, Auburn was denied a chance at the National Championship based on incorrect assumptions made by the PTB. In the future, under a playoff scenario...Auburn has the opportunity to control its own destiny. This does not exist today. Ask any of the other teams that finished undefeated and did not have an opportunity to play for the crystal ball. Newsflash, we are not the only ones.
Seanzie- We are the only ones from a major conference. Sorry if I don't put as much stock in those other conferences.
Seanzie- I enjoy the debate, I promise it is not personal in any way, just responding. I think you know that, but wanted to state it.
Sean, in a plus one system, I think you have room for those other teams. Last year, go ahead and pit Texas, Bama, Boise St., and TCU all against each other.
In 2004, let Auburn, USC, Oklahoma, and Utah fight it out for the title. I've got no problem with that.
But yeah, I still think we got screwed more than Utah back in 2004.
Here's my problem with the plus-one ... do you think that TCU and Boise were the true Nos. 3 and 4 teams in the nation?
What if there is a year where it's wholly unnecessary?
Those who seek to perfect the beautfully imperfect are chasing their tail.
I'm for whatever post season scenario that gives us our long awaited national title.
I've always been a fan of the 16 team tournament.
Jet...quick response to your first question.
I think that Boise St. and TCU deserved mention as the third and fourth best teams in the nation last year. At the end of the rgular season, I felt like those were the best four teams.
RK...anything to report from your Dad's checkup yesterday?
In terms of scheduling, I don't favor playing more than one top notch out of conference opponent.
What bothers me with scheduling is when we schedule an opponent that is so bad that if we lose to them, our head coach may get fired. Teams like Arkansas State, UT Martin, and Furman do not belong on our schedule.
There are decent out of conference teams we can play that aren't top notch, such as Southern Miss, Memphis, ...
I do think conference expansion gets us closer to a true national champ because conference championships will mean more. Basically the conference championship is part of the requirement to be the national champ.
I do think expansion is now inevitable, but the Big 10 has an advantage over the SEC with the Big 10 network. They are going to make a lot of money with that network.
A plus one system would get us much closer to a true nation title. I do think that there are years when there have been more than 4 teams with a legitimate claim to the national title, but never 8 teams, so an eight team playoff would make sense, or even a 6 team with a couple of teams receiving buys.
So Cincinnati last year, Big East Champs, Undefeated...granted the lost the bowl game BUT they were already relegated and were down a head coach.
Utah 2008, the last team to beat Alabama on the field.
Utah 2004, beat Big East Champ Pitt.
Boise beating Big 12 Champ Oklahoma etc...
You may not put a lot of stock in "those other conferences" but the results on the field speak for themselves.
NCAA football -4 rounds, best of 7, just like NHL.
Penguins really stink, btw.
Jet...as a reply to your 10:20 post in general.
I'm not trying to perfect a "beautifully imperfect" system so much as I am trying to improve it. It would still be imperfect, but miles better than the current system. On rare occasions (Texas-USC in 2005, Miami-Ohio State in 2002), the BCS does give us an unquestionably fair national title game, but most of the time, it leaves something to be desired.
Imperfections would continue to exist with a Plus One System, yet a dramatic improvement on the current system will have occurred I believe.
I think the No. 1 factor in bowl games (championship game excepted) is MOTIVATION.
Does a team want to be there? Does it have a point to prove?
The 2004 Pitt team was one of the worst BCS teams ever. They would have been outmatched by just about any SEC team that year, let alone an unbeaten Utah team.
There is not a way to do a perfect system in football where the best team is the national champion. It just can't happen. The NBA has the closest thing to a true champion because they have playoff series and don't rely upon one game, but that isn't reasonable for football.
Being the best team and being the national champion have nothing to do with each other.
All pro sports have the fairness in scheduling. College sports doesn't come close and thats why we love it.
I am against a lengthy playoff, but I am for a multi-game Iron Bowl series where Auburn plays Alabama in a best of seven series, although I will likely be totally useless at work for a couple of months.
And how about a 16 team double elimination tournament for the NC with all games played on one weekend. You think you have seen iron man football, you ain't seen nothing yet. I can see the announcers now arguing over which players should be given time to take a nap during the upcoming game. Also, walkons would become very important.
When someone posts something that hasn't already been written about this issue, please post NEW IDEA at the top....and the first time that someone thinks their unoriginal thoughts are unique, they shall be flogged.
Hey, I haven't seen anyone else proposing a 16 team double elimination tournament played on a single weekend. I consider that unique.
And West Virginia beat the pants off a UGA team that should have by all rights beat them mess out of them.
You never know until it happens on the field Eduardo.
I like CFB not because of lack of scheduling fairness, whatever that means, I like it because I like football and I like the dynamics and unique elements that make it different from pro football. I would like to see it be decided on the field for once instead of a newspaper.
Peter, I figured it was either recycled football thoughts or new, original, and unique thoughts on soccer.
Take your pick.
Scheduling....Put Auburn or LSU or UGA in the Big East this year and they are favorites to win the Big East, but in the SEC they are not even close to favorites. That is the scheduling I'm talkinga bout.
"The older I get, the more I realize that when we try to improve, we're generally are screwing up."
Jet - ditto.
Jet, Sensi...With all due respect, we're talking about a college football post-season here, not social security or healthcare.
A playoff system is not going to bring down college football...is it?
i keep hearing fsu, miami, vatech, gt mentioned. pass. pass. pass. pass.
its ut, ta&m, ou and osu or bust for the sec.
you either get the ut and ou fanbases or be satisfied with 2nd place eventually. austin is close enough to the southeast to be a fit. that is the tv market that has to be the dealmaker. whoever gets that will rule the roost. fans of gt, fsu and miami are already watching sec games.
now is also the time to purge our doormat vandy from the league unless they decide to take football off of intramural status and put some $$$ into the athletic program. if they balk, go get a 5th team to add to the mix.
who cares about playoffs or mnc at that point just winning the sec title will be the shiz. recruits will be beating the doors down trying to get in.
Adding Georgia Tech and Clempson would make a lot of sense. Admittedly, it wouldn't expand the TV landscape, but we have a fixed contract with ESPN. That is where we are screwed in comparison with the Big 10. Yea, they can bring in more bucks by adding TV market. We cannot until this foolish contract with ESPN is up.
contracts are made to be broken. i don't thing espn would mind renegotiating if it meant more eyes on their network. acc fans are already watch the games on "espn on abc".
and so do big 12.
i'm all for gt if you jettison vandy.
the schedule in a 16 team sec would be absolutely brutal if ut, ta&m, ou and osu were the adds. i'm telling you, ut and a&m are must haves. don't let them merge into the whack10. look at all the marquee games that are created instantly.
Steve gets +1 flogging for adding Clemson (and spelling it Clempson).
I just took an Oxycontin for an ear ache. A really bad earache that kept me up all night and cause the doctor to say "gnar gnar."
I'm with ya Chip, the future expansion of the SEC, should there be any, is to the west.
I'm going to point out a Fortune 500 southern enterprise that expanded too far west when they should have been solidifying their footprint in the SE instead, and it cost them dearly: Winn-Dixie.
It's going to take them 20 years to finish fixing their stores and getting the SE territory back that they had to retreat out of, and that is IF Publix doesn't destroy them in the mean time... Let this be a lesson to the SEC.
western expansion brings these "new" games sec west every year:
bammer-ut
bammer-tam
bammer-ou
ut-arky
ut-tam
ou-osu
ut-ou
lsu-ut
lsu-ou
ou-arky
i hope everyone else sees $$$$ like i do when i start looking at the scheduling possibilities.
it's also shorter travel from austin to the sec venues. austin to seattle, austin to san fran (X2), austin to corvallis...yuck.
the sec with 16 teams that included texas, a&m, ou and osu would be a wal-mart supercenter. every one else would be winn-dixie and bruno's-out of business.
Yes. What Peter said.
Also, do I get some bonus points for my idea (I'm going to pretend it's original, though chip touched on it a bit) earlier suggesting that SEC will break away from the NCAA to form its own entity.
It will be a land where players are played and secondary violations are a thing of the past.
Don't mess with my beautiful, perfect Southeastern Conference. Thanks.
I'll maintain...Expansion good for SEC, bad for Auburn.
I hate the SEC as it is. There, I said it. We need some new blood in this conference. It wouldn't hurt to expand our horizons. And whomever said Wal-Mart Supercenter is spot on.
Auburn will be just fine if the SEC expands. There are others who would feel the hurt a lot more, IMO.
Sean is a spy sent by the Big Ten to infiltrate our ranks and tear us asunder.
So in the Wal-Mart Supercenter theory, mass produce the product and cheapen it up?
What is your definition of "just fine"? If you mean middle of the pack, absolutely couldn't agree more, considering that is where we are most of the time anyways through history.
why is expansion bad for AU?
financially: win
increased media exposure: win
more high profile games: win
play in even bestest conference: win
increased competition on the field, diamond, court rink (hah!) etc. will definitely make it tougher to win. but isn't anything worth winning worth having to kick some major arse over? we've been beating bammer, uf, lsu and rest of these schmucks for year with "less talent". bring 'em.
I feel like adding more teams and getting a move to the East would do wonders for us. Anything to get us out of Bama's thumb would be fantastic. Adding teams with bigger ego's would do that.
Not to mention, there would be no adverse affects on recruiting. The schedule would be tougher but it would be tougher for all parties involved. Not just Auburn.
i think the product would actually get better. the sec16 would just crush all competition.
Seanzie is a blasphemer.
Chip chip-
Point 1- Tell me how it brings in more money with 4 more mouths to feed? All of the contracts have to be 33% greater than what they are now? Is that possible right off the bat?
Championships- 1 a decade if we are lucky, and trust me, it will take luck. Lots and lots of luck.
whack16 and big16 could paly publix and piggly wiggly respectively.
Nobody has even mentioned the possibility of bringing Tulane back into the SEC.
In recruiting- Do kids want to go where they can win a championship or be in the SEC?
are you aware of the size of texas?
Well we won 3 in 80s...some of those shared, 0 in the 90's and 1 in Aughts.
its big.
ut has $$$$
ta&M has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
a lot more new fans than mouths to feed at the sec table.
I will say this. If Texas, TA&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State joined the SEC, the SEC Championship would be huge. I already consider it more impressive than the national title.
how could i have forgotten the green wavy gravy!!!? we can kick vandy out for them!
Chip Chip declares that size does matter!!! Film at eleven.
ditto sfc
Auburn on the road @ Norman and @ Austin would be epic. I would pay big money for that. To not have to play MS schools and Carnies every year would be even better.
No chip chip, please let me know. Never been to Austin or any understanding of Texas football. How does Texas parlay into more money?
Seanzie- We just fired a coach because he didn't win another championship and our Rival was about to win one. What do you think matters? Also, the 80's and on is the best Auburn Football has been historically, and it is still lacking in championships.
We fired a coach because the program was regressing. Championships were not the cause. They were the effect.
Chip Chip- How does that help Auburn? Please, you haven't given me anything concrete to how Auburn is better off for this?
Texas brings in the most revenue of any athletic department ever. Period. They will expand the TV market and bring in more money because people want to watch them. If you bring them, then you get OU. The same OU that was picked over AU in 2004 because that's who people wanted to watch.
You will also get Texas AM and that's really just secondary to UT and OU.
Sean, if we still shared SEC Championships in expansion, we would have had two last decade (2004 and 2005). A little different with twelve teams instead of 8 or 9.
Basically, that argument supports what Eddie says when he talks about expansion decreasing the number of championships.
Not to mention, getting some of those marquee teams to play at the JHS...would increase revenues for our AD.
Let's go old school ... ditch the BCS ... go back to the old bowl tie-ins ... SEC champ in the Sugar Bowl every year ... have the yearly argument over the MNC.
Let's face it: we really prefer the arguing than settling it on the field.
Be honest with yourself.
It takes a 33% bigger contract to break even with 4 added teams splitting the pie equally. Is UT & OK going to get that much more money right off the bat to break even with the current deal every team in the SEC has? We are talking hundreds of millions here. If you think that is do able right off the bat, I think you are kidding yourself.
then get better. i think we have quickly. i think we will get even better.
tub's statements of "i'll be the AU coach as long as they'll have me." ring true.
we now have a guy that wants the job and assistants that want the job and all want to raise the bar for AU. have you missed something the last 16+ months?
Agree Jet.
this just gives us even more to argue about! perfect!
LOUD NOISES!!!!
Chip Chip- Just because we have the right coaches now, doesn't mean it will work out in the future. Expansion is pretty much permanent until the SEC breaks up. Chizik is temporary, along with every other coach. If you think Auburn is going to be a powerhouse, I think you are setting yourself up to fall hard. Auburn will and should have good years, but they don't come year in and out and never will. Sorry, but history tells me that. I know you want to believe it to the opposite, but its not. And if you mean quickly getting better, I saw a 3 win SEC season last year, 1 win better than the previous season. The difference is optimism, but remember, we are Auburn, we set ourselves up better than anyone and fall hard.
I will refrain from discussing further talk of expansion until something actually happens with the Small 11.
Walmart may be cheap, and all, but they lack substance. Has anyone ever bought a USDA Prime piece of meat at Walmart? NOPE, but I have at Winn-Dixie.
The meat!
Don't be such a sourpuss, Eduardo. I'm telling you, this Tony Franklin thing is gonna be magical!
Oxycotin has kicked in. I'm high as a kite...but my ear still hurts. This is total BS!
PF ...
Meat matters.
the highest profile teams nationally outside the sec the last 10 years are: oklahoma, texas, uscw, osu, michigan, notre dame. if you can add one. do it. you will regret it 20 years later if you don't.
someone will pay big $$$ to televise the games or you start your own network or both.
bringing in texas and ou is like bringing in 1/2 the big12 financially.
I don't watch football for championships. I watch football for the games. So, whether an expanded SEC gives Auburn a better chance for championships is pretty meaningless to me.
Sure, in the 80s SEC, we would have likely won many more championships with our 00s teams, but it doesn't mean the teams were any better. It just means a change in the value of the titles.
Hey, Hotties!
I'm with Jet on this one about the old bowl tie-ins. I also wish we could just get over this national champ business. There are too many teams to have a meaningful system to determine one national champion.
Just my humble female opinion.
3-5 in the conference is understandable in the beginning of a new regime.
It is not acceptable in the long run unless we want to be Kentucky or South Carolina.
I will now accept your hate filled diatribes.
I'm with you Steve. It's nice to win championships. But the people that win are in the vast minority. We watch for the victories and the matchups.
Chip chip- I'll ask again, how is Auburn financially better in this deal? I get that Texas and anyone else is better off, but how about Auburn?
"I don't watch football for championships. I watch football for the games."
This kind of thinking is what the Bammers and others mean when they say "Auburn being Auburn."
Well if we can increase demand for tickets by playing a higher profile schedule, we will make more money. We also will not have to pay cupcakes to come lose...at least not as many.
didn't say chiz was permanent. keeping the right guy around and hiring the new ones is the AD's job. they will ultimately determine the course of the athletic programs. AU can be a power even in the thickest of competition. but AU has to be a new AU moving forward with the right people leading the way.
If you guys want to cheer for champions, you always have a 50/50 chance to jump on the bandwagon right before the final. Or just buy every SI special edition champs kit.
Did I miss a ninny fight today?
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"If you guys want to cheer for champions, you always have a 50/50 chance to jump on the bandwagon right before the final. Or just buy every SI special edition champs kit."
Touch a nerve?
How does wanting/hoping/(gasp)expecting championships make one a bandwagon fan?
Eddie, Auburn would benefit in the shared bowl revenue from the new schools, but if I understand correctly, it would actually hurt us in terms of the shared TV dollars because of the fixed contract with ESPN. I could be wrong on this. Maybe there is a clause there that addresses expansion, but my understanding is that the TV dollars from ESPN is fixed, which says fewer dollars when divided between more schools.
The ESPN TV contract may turn out to be the biggest bonehead move the SEC has ever made. The Big 10 network could make the Big 10 the best conference in college football.
You're right Seanzie. It is too much for me to ask to have 1 NC in my lifetime. Sorry, I guess I need to jump on another band wagon. Enjoy the new SEC and life in middle. Kinda like Ole Miss and Arkansas are right now. At least you have your rivalries and bigger home games.
I don't fully understand all those opposing expansion. The game isn't going to change. Auburn isn't going to change. Your just throwing a few more teams into your conference. Are things good the way it is? Sure, but that doesn't mean they won't be good when/if things change.
I have very strong feelings on the number 2 QB. At first, it might be Caudle, but I do hope that Trotter or Moseley is the number 2 by the end of the season.
I wouldn't put us on the level of Arkansas considering they've handed our ass to us on a regular occasion save a 9-7 win in the BOOM days.
Eddie, I will take have the best team over being the NC any day. The NC is largely a joke and most people know it.
Nothing wrong with wanting to win a championship. And Sensi, don't mistake my intentions, on here I am rarely angry or trying to insult people. I try to be sarcastic and tongue in cheek at times, but never in a mean-spirited way.
I would love for AU to win the national championship. I want them to every year actually. I expect the same from the Titans, Arsenal, Braves, etc...
"The NC is largely a joke and most people know it."
Please tell me who "most people" are?
Steve- That is what losers say.
Sensi, which of those two words do you not understand?
Seanzie - our Titans - one fricking yard short! Still burns my blood. I feel ya.
The one yard short and the two brain farts as the one seed against Baltimore...what could have been!!!!!
And Eddie, I don't hang out with losers, so I wouldn't know. I will leave that area of expertise to you.
Seanzie ...
You are hereby sentenced to the Tool Shed for a period of one hour for violation of 14-3-1(a) of the HABOTN Code.
"Thou shall not say you are through with a subject, then post something tacky on the subject within 30 minutes, then reiterate immediately that you are through on the subject."
Didn't want have to do it. Feel I owe it to you.
Chip- Why can't we have those type of OOC games right now? You are adding 1-2 conference games and eliminating at least 1 home game per year. Still not seeing it.
Yeah...now stuck in the middle of blah with the Titans. Ugh
Steve- I didn't say you did, just commenting on the type of comment you made. If you play the game to not win the whole damn thing, then why even play steve? I mean, come on man. That is a ridiculous comment by you, but then again, you are Steve, so maybe it was expected.
He said, "Boom." Sigh.
Sensi ... 1:23 is spot on.
because texas doesn't want to give up a home game to play at JHS either. i agree expansion kills most possibilities of marquee ooc games, but look at the matchups it will force. you'll need chattanooga and ga st. to get a breather from the beating.
5 sec home games 2 ooc cupcakes.
7 home games per year is about right for 12 game schedule.
Wait, Ephemeral is a woman?
And Auburn would like to have 8 Home games every year, but settle for 7 in worst case scenerios. The best case here is 7 home games. Does 1 Big game make up for the loss of one patsy home game? Break even at best.
right now, the 8th home game is usually another dud anyway.
I will accept said punishment, with dignity and humility.
But let me have that misplaced comma back.
Eddie, I never said to not play to win. I assume reading comprehension is not your strong suit, but I do not have the time to educate you because you are Eddie so it is expected.
PF, you are prescient today. You should use Oxycontin more regularly.
in sec16, 10 conf games 5 home 5 away. 2 ooc breathers or beaters whatever the school wants.
again, i'm in it for my viewing pleasures.
Seanzie, one more thing ... your dad doesn't work for ESPN, by chance?
Steve- You are so well versed in BS, i'm sure you you could give everyone on here a masters degree. Keep up all the good crap you continually put out here.
No but he will soon...
...Jet....
...Jay G is my father.
Eddie, I appreciate that you feel you are an expert on me, but your childish posts say otherwise.
Chip- My whole argument has been and remains that expansion is good for the SEC, but not schools like Auburn. As an impartial fan, I would agree with your statement. As an Auburn fan, I do not.
i would rather have one fewer home game and more quality opponents. let's face it. gameday ain't showing up for AU vs. south-northwest dakota st. tech and neither am i most times.
Chip- I agree, but season ticket holders purchase that ticket and 70-80K will show up still. They still spend money in Auburn that weekend too.
Schools like Auburn...do explain what you mean, Eddie.
Eddie,
Late to the party here, but why is expansion bad for Auburn?
Dennis Dodd released his top 25.
17. Arky
18. LSU
21. Auburn
UGA not ranked. Ha!
Chip- Schools that are in the middle but aspire to be at the top. That's what I mean.
I don't know who to side with right now.
CH- just read all the old posts.
Eddie does have a point that it may not be good for Auburn, at least in terms of revenue with the current ESPN deal.
He also makes the point that it is less likely we win the SEC when there are 16 teams, rather than 12, which is also true. My point is that winning the SEC win there are 16 teams is much more impressive than winning it when there are 12, so the point is mute.
I care about how good the Auburn football team is, which doesn't depend upon any of these arguments. Yes, I understand some value championships over performance, but I am not one of them.
Sensi, regarding your 1:29 post...
I made the point last week that I didn't think we could put ourselves on a higher plane than Arkansas, but I wouldn't say they've handed our ass to us on a regular occasion. I think the series is just about dead even the last ten, eleven years. The last team to win three in a row in the series was...Auburn.
Last year's loss in Fayettenam was the first since 2001. So yeah, it's a pretty even series, but they haven't regularly handed our ass to us, unless once every four years is regular.
My take on the "do you watch football for championships or for the football itself": only a moron would watch football "just for the championships." Such a fan would be perpetually disappointed. I think most fans who say that don't mean it. If it was true, they would only check box scores and follow the team like it was a stock quote. If they actually thought about it, they would realize they have enjoyed a lot more about football than the championships.
I watch football because it is emotion filled, because teammates must depend on each other, because there is art to the strategies, and because the game is the most badass sport ever created. The best moment in football? When your team wins a championship, of course.
Does the 2005 Season feel better or equal to the 2004? I mean, we performed, in SEC Play, as good as anyone and beat the SEC Champion at their home while having a better record than them.
Steve- I've never said I watch football for Championships, if so, I sure as hell wouldn't be an Auburn fan.
2005 = tough cookies.
close but not good enough.
do better.
What hasn't been mentioned here is something that would affect how good Auburn is, which is recruiting. Would an expanded SEC make playing at an SEC school more attractive? Possibly.
I do think the Big 10 has a huge advantage because if you play in the Big 10 you get on the Big 10 network, which I believe will become more and more attractive.
SteveFC - so assuming AU wins a NC in the next three years, you'll laugh at it?
Jet - How 'bout a Fresca?
MJT - Bull Honkey!
Eddie, I never said that you did.
don't gag against gt and make a damn fg in corndogland...but it still was not good enough that year.
Wait, Eddie. I kinda got that out of one of your posts. I can see where he's coming from with that.
Steve- Seriously...that is your argument? Did I miss something, or was Auburn not on National TV just about every week? Is the Big 10 Network now everywhere? Last I saw it wasn't. The SEC TV deal is still much better than the Big Ten Network.
Recruiting- Does the possibilities or championships matter more than playing time or bigger games? X Factor.
And I think it is stupid to expand as a reaction to the Big 10. It seems like the current thought it, "Oh, well the Big 10 is doing it, it must be progresive, we better match them or get left behind!" Wait and see how their expansion works first.
I don't think the current 12 teams stand to gain anything from expansion. If Texas and OK join, our TV deal doesn't get any better. It is locked for the next 15 years or so. All it means is we might be ranked #3 in the country, and our LSU game ends up on ESPNU because it is the same week as the Red River shootout and UT-Alabama. We still get the same BCS money, we just have to split it more ways. Adding elite teams just waters down the pot.
I think SEC adding teams is a knee jerk reaction to the Big 10, who is actually in need of some more elite programs and more national exposure. Doesn't make sense for us.
Norm, you are incorrect. I never said I would laugh at it. I just won't consider it any more meaningful than I do now.
What I enjoy is the games. The NC is currently not that meaningful. Granted, it is more meaningful than it use to be. I enjoy the games. Titles are nice, but now why I watch and the SEC title impresses me more than the national title.
PF- I said you play football to win championships, not that you watch them for championships. If you are not trying to be champions, what is the point, is what I was saying.
The Big 10 network (at least in it's first few games- I have not seen it since) looks like they purchased their cameras, cameramen, and producers from a high school new channel.
Steve- Ask bama fans if it is meaningful. It is easy to say it's not meaningful when you don't have it.
So hypothetically; AU wins it all in '11 and AU fan SteveFC says to himself he says, "self, this is a joke".
Got it, Eddie. Grey is like black and white mixed together.
PF- I thought they bought them from JP.
Yep. Bama's made up championships are very meaningful. Completely full of substance.
The Big Ten TV package rivals that of the SEC. As a matter of fact, only one game featuring a Big Ten team was not televised last year. I think the SEC had 1-2 games/week on PPV.
Seazie,
No it doesn't. The SEC package goes into a few kachillion(that's a lot) more homes.
if texas goes west. the big16 becomes reality and the mt.west and big12 remnants combine while the sec sits on its hands thinking no one can overtake it, AU loses.
if the sec becomes less relevant over time so does AU which is bad.
E Bro - "Hand ass to us" should have read "hand our defense their ass" as Arky scores points.
I get what you mean. However, I don't see us being even with Arkansas as a good thing though.
PF- I'm referring to last year. Norm provided my thought in writing much better than I.
Eddie, I guess it is meaningful in terms of an excuse to go to Walmart. That is about it.
I am a little shocked by the Big 10 channel's success. Supposedly they are making bookoos of money off of it, and of course they have potential to make much more.
The deal with the devil we made: we get more more national exposure, better game production, and incentives for the ESPN talking heads to treat us well when arguing about poll position. But we probably won't make as much money as the Big 10 by 2025, and we also don't get to watch SEC Women's Handball at 1:30 in the afternoon on weekdays on our very own cable channel.
michael makes a good point about how the Big Ten is not even adding elite programs. I heard Dodd talking about this last week on Finebaum, but I think it would unwise for the Big Ten to expand knowing that the SEC would likely come back with such big time programs as Texas and possibly Oklahoma.
All so that the Big Ten could get Missouri, Pitt, and some other also ran? I think the Big Ten might have outthought itself.
Staying at twelve, we would still have more elite programs than the Big Ten, but if they expand, we've just taken their lunch money for the next decade. The Big Ten has know our response to their expansion would be disproportional in our favor.
But I guess they're desperate and feel they have to do something.
Seanzie- Big Ten would drool all over the contract that the SEC signed last year.
Heh heh, MJT said "Women's Handball".
Currently, I believe the Big 10 schools make more per school from the Big 10 Network than the SEC schools do for the ESPN contract. Also, the money from the Big 10 network is growing, while the amount SEC schools receive is fixed. I could be wrong because I read this in some blog on the net, but if it is true, the SEC is at a disadvantage.
Sensi...agreed. Hopefully we set about rectifying that this year.
Too many words....can't keep up...
Expansion bad. That is all.
Mike,
2025? The world is ending in 2012. 2025 is a myth.
Yeah but...The Big Ten owns their network. They can continue to add coverage and add markets which they've shown they are willing to do.
They can expand their coverage and outputs and can then increase the payout among member institutions. In the short term the SEC deal is better but there is tremendous upside with the Big Ten network.
I mean, ESPN could expand their coverage, too. Maybe Canada doesn't have it.
Norm, it appears that what I typed flew right over your head. The winning is what would excite me. Not that we got to the national title game and won it. I would love to be in that game because it would be against a very good opponent. I just don't get all teared up because some idiots made a stupid decision to put Oklahoma in the BSNC game than use. It didn't change how good our team was and actually ended up making Oklahoma look very bad.
I'll bet Texas has some hot women handballers. I've changed my mind. I'm voting for expansion.
E-Bro - two SEC games Auburn needs to turn the other way this year: Arkansas and Georgia.
Big time.
PF, I think ESPN can expand their coverage, although I don't believe it increases revenue to SEC schools. ESPN coverage has to be impressive for players wanting visibility, though.
Doesn't matter if ESPN expands...the SEC is locked into a contract and cannot receive additional monies from said expansion.
Georgia has irritated me a lot over recent years. They have started out slow and not looked that impressive, but by the end of the season they have improved and make us look bad. A victory over UGA is a must.
So it seems to be that the HABOTN Hotties are comprised of a bunch of dullards and SteveFC. I feel better now knowing where I stand.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/04/20/expansion-faqs/index.html#ixzz0neMFlgc6
"The Big Ten already has the most lucrative television deal in the country, doling out an estimated $20 million-plus per team in 2008. (The conference does not release official numbers.) The SEC, under its new CBS and ESPN deals that began last year, isn't far behind at $15-$17 million, but those two are significantly ahead of everyone else."
As you can see, the Big 10 Network, which currently sucks, is already making enough profit for the Big 10 teams to get more money than the SEC teams. No Eddie, I think the Big 10 is happy with where they currently are in their TV deal. Imagine how much better their network will be if they somehow added Notre Dame and Nebraska to their league.
Also...Big Ten Network payouts exceed those of all other conferences.
To Michael's point, adding a ND or Nebraska with a national following as well as more peeps from the NY area (Rutgers) on down to St. Louis and KC (Missouri), would only add to the pot.
Sensi...I'd also go ahead and LSU to my 'to do' list. Bama's always on it of course.
But three in a row to LSU, four in a row to Georgia, twice in a row to Arkansas. All those teams come to J-H this fall. In the words of the Top Gun deck commander...
"I want some butts!"
I feel like there's a lot of pent up, North versus South aggression in here with the talk of SEC versus Big Ten...and I like it.
It's a State's Rights issue.
I'm Channeling my inner Ulysses S. Grant. I plan to win by not stopping, no matter what. Steve will burn it down from ATL to the sea and that'll bout do it.
TASTES GREAT!
Haha, the war of Northern aggression!
Also, the south had to recruit Texas to compete once, why not do it again?!
I love analogies.
Yeah, my comment wasn't really an argument about money. Thanks for reading and replying though. You guys are the best. I love it here.
The Big 10 just made a smart move with the network. They aren't the number 1 conference. I don't even believe they are the number 2 conference.
New Page Smell Redux.
It's a twofer Tuesday for Norm.
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