Some statistical trends
I was just breaking down some numbers for a Sunday story.
How bad is Auburn's offense?
This is the lowest-scoring team of the Tommy Tuberville era.
Points per game by season (through seven games):
In terms of yards per game, it ranks ninth out of 10.
Yards per game by season (through seven games):
How bad is Auburn's offense?
This is the lowest-scoring team of the Tommy Tuberville era.
Points per game by season (through seven games):
- 1999 -- 20.0
- 2000 -- 26.4
- 2001 -- 26.0
- 2002 -- 31.6
- 2003 -- 25.6
- 2004 -- 34.4
- 2005 -- 34.4
- 2006 -- 25.7
- 2007 -- 25.5
- 2008 -- 19.1
In terms of yards per game, it ranks ninth out of 10.
Yards per game by season (through seven games):
- 1999 -- 271.8, Noel Mazzone
- 2000 -- 366.1, Noel Mazzone
- 2001 -- 359.3, Noel Mazzone
- 2002 -- 419.9, Bobby Petrino
- 2003 -- 385.1, Hugh Nall and Steve Ensminger
- 2004 -- 447.6, Al Borges
- 2005 -- 424.0, Al Borges
- 2006 -- 329.0, Al Borges
- 2007 -- 335.1, Al Borges
- 2008 -- 292.6, Tony Franklin (fired 10/8), Steve Ensminger
posted by Jay G. Tate at
1:55 PM
119 Comments:
ok to I guesse tubbervilles teams dont put up alot of offense huh?
They used to.
Wow, so we need a positive note on this. I suppose there is plenty of room for improvement.
The positive spin is...we suck. Wait, that's negative. the positive spin is at least we are gaining yards every game and not losing them.
What happened in 2006 to start the decline?
P.S. GA/Vandy has been a good game.
When's the campfire?
I'm going to run Le Campfire later tonight.
However, I'm open to a small-group campy around 3:30. Anyone interested?
I am always interested in spending quality time with you.
2006 -- I think opponents started to pick up on Al Borges' tricks and he wasn't able to adjust.
Same quarterback. Many of the same linemen. Same tailbacks.
Ouch. I was hypnotized to forget the 99 offense. For some reason I read that and found my self clucking like a chicken. Go figure. The offense needs some Jimmy's badly.
The 1999 team couldn't get more than 60 yards rushing per game, but we could pass ok when Leard was healthy.
This year we don't seem to do anything ok.
I think in 99 we didn't have the defensive/special teams scoring we have had this year. That has padded our numbers for this year.
Could 99 & 08 be the bad bookends for Tub's Auburn career?
There went our Enrique Davis.
Anyone see that Auburn... I mean ole miss running back gash bama.
Jay, the decline started with the decline in receivers after the 2005 season. We have been one hit wonders at wide receiver.
What is your opinion of Knox as a receivers coach?
As bad as Nallsminger was in 2003, it's still 90 yards and 6 points better per game
steve from columbia...I agree that the receivers decline is the underlying offensive problem. I've got a 3 paragraph analysis that ties the poor WRs(and weak Qb arms) to all of the offensive problems.
I'm not going to comment on the Wr coaching b/c "mama said"..
I will say that our WR fundamentals are awful.
J. Jones is no Randy Moss.
pffft
Nobody is Randy Moss @ Marshall circa 96.
That's PlayStation football right there.
John Parker Wilson ... a great example of how competent quarterback play can change a program's outlook.
Wilson when he's on, is a really good QB.
Agreed Jay. We need a QB who can actually make a defense nervous and not cheat up all the time.
I hate watching all these highlight videos, pregame hype videos and commercials where you see players breaking free on long TD's. The reason I hate them, is because other than a KR and PR this year we haven't had many of those types of highlights since 2005.
In the last 3 years, a 15 yard gain is considered a big play for us.
I'm tired of the crowd and student section singing "livin' on a prayer" and the team walking out in interlocked arms.
JG///good with a campfire this afternoon.
wareaglerk...I think 15 yards is abit generous. Ha:)
The only thing I'm tired of is losing. However, someone is going to get a serious tongue lashing if I see them start the wave at the next game.
Jay G, I noticed you had an Anonymous hater on the other thread. Congratulations.
So true, Jay.
Greg and I just spent a few minutes fantasizing about having a Chad Pennington/Randy Moss or a Byron Leftwich/Moss combo at Auburn.
Those were beautiful games to watch.
sigh
FYI: Tuberville's buyout is, in fact, $6 million.
Auburn would have to cover that with two payments: One within 30 days of termination and one no more than year after termination.
Just passing that along ...
Jay,
Good work with those offensive (in this year's case, literally) stats. Quick question - do the ppg include points provided by the defense and special teams (Gabe McKenzie, Jake Ricks and Tristan Davis)?
Thanks Jay G, I was asking about that the other day, I figured if payable over a number of years then it would increase the chances of him being released. How did you happen across that information?
Don't u know that bama fans are loving hearing about auburn during the telecast of their game?
I wish I was worth $3M upon termination. Must be nice. If Auburn does pull the trigger, how can you feel bad about that.
I always wondered what the time limitations were on a buyout! Thanks for the info.
Good point Wegl98. Those stats have to include all scores. I bet we drop by 4 to 5 points per game if you take defensive and special teams score away.
Eddie,
That's what I was afraid of ....
Next question - can it get any worse?
Wegl98...if anything I have learned this year, it is to never say that it can't be any worse. That was belief about this offense compared to last year's at the beginning of the year. Otherwise, it can get worse. In matter of fact, I believe we have been consistent in getting worse from the Southern Miss game on.
Speaking of contracts and buyouts...
Does Gary Danielson's contract last as long as CBS's contract with the SEC?
Please say no?
Yes, the stats include defensive scores. I know that makes the numbers less reliable in a sense.
That's what I have to work with.
On the contract: I just read that from his contract. I keep a copy with me at the house.
Danielson has a man crush on cody.
I'll be setting up a campfire soon. Stay tuned.
Wow, 370 pound Terrence Cody just pushed back a 200 pound DB into the endzone.
Who would have thunk it?
Jay...keeping a copy of the contract at the house. That is another ringing endorsement for Tubs alonw with Tim Jackson being in football operations.
hahaha RK- amen!
and it cracks me up that you keep a copy of CTT's contract around - funny and telling
You might want to keep that contract with you. Something tells me we are going to be looking at it, a lot...
"Unleash the Beast" more like "Unleash the Feast" for Cody.
Is it legal to post a link to a SportingNews.com piece here?
DUKE!!
It's not your Daddy's Auburn, unless he was around during the Barfield Days.
I love these Miller High Life commercials.
Re: Danielson has a man crush on cody.
Some folks like em large. To each their own...
big people need love too.
Eddie - were you having to clear comments or was it scrolling automatically for you?
Georgia wins, Bama wins ... I'm having a crappy Saturday.
I agree Phred, but Auburn is still leading idle so keep your head up.
Bama is like we once were, always find a way to win...
Now we find a way to lose..
Anyone besides me getting tired of watching another SEC game (today's Vandy vs Dawgs) and having to stomach highlights of our flailures against one of the two teams? Seriously, didn't Vandy beat someone better than us? Hate I missed other night's campfire...
schley ... how long you been a fan?
I'm 55. All my days, you?
We may not be losing to Ball State with Butch Davis coaching, but you better hope we don't play anyone the likes of the mighty Virginia Cavaliers. Replace CTT if we must, but please not with Davis. That dog has had his day.
That wasn't that bad of a loss for Davis. He had his star player out (Tate), and Virginia has been playing well at home.
If Butch Davis stays at North Carolina he will have that program built up, look at the recruiting class he's going to be bringing in. I don't care if Auburn gets him or not, but he is a damn good coach.
Holy Schnikeys!! Butch Davis supporters turn Butch Davis appologists.
I wouldn't mind if we keep Tubs.
Check out this stat: On its bye week, Auburn is undefeated. Why would you fire a coach that could pull that off?
Sure he's a damn good coach. But is he really all that much better than what we have? Different yes, but better? In six years at Miami he had the following season records: 8-3, 9-3, 5-6, 9-3, 9-4, 11-1. That's 51-20 overall for a .710 winning percentage. Nearly the same as CTT. And he was in a state loaded with huge talent at a time when great players wanted to go to Miami. It would be a change, but I think, based on their body of work, the two coaches (Davis and CTT) are comparable.
Butch Davis has a $2M buyout, do we really have people willing to fork over $8M to fire Tubs? You have to be pretty passionate to pony up that kind of money for a coach that might not be a huge upgrade.
ANON...Butch Davis was reviving a Miami team that was hammered by the NCAA and Florida State and Florida were in their prime. I think Butch did an admirable job at Miami. That being sad, I am still split and really don't know what to think about Tubs.
Help Someone. How do you register for the camp fire instead of being just an uninvited guest?
How about Gary Patterson or Brian Kelly? I don't know anything about them but their records, both are plus .700 in career winning percentage and under the age of 50.
No, I never said he was better than what we have, I just said he was a good coach.
I want Tuberville to stay at Auburn. I just wish he would stop losing the game he isn't supposed to lose. It gets aggrevating.
Schely ... I was just curious. Me? All my days as well, which is 37.
I was asking because, I don't remember too many Auburn teams that "found a way to win." We have had a long and rich history of "finding a way to lose."
Every time someone mentions Butch Davis I care a little less about starving children in China. His name is making me hard and cruel. It makes me want to join an Eskimo tribe and hunt baby seals with a stick.
there're no uninvited guests at the campfire...well,maybe bammers.
We still doing the 10pm campfire?
Barkley,
I realize you were not pushing for a change to Davis. But a lot of people keep bringing him up as if he would be some sort of savior. I was just trying to point out that, based on what both coaches have done on the field, there's not that much difference. The underlying point here is that the coach we have is not a bad one. Yes, he's having a bad year, but he's not a bad coach. Glad to see that you, as well as some others, want him to stick around.
Eddie,
Davis did do an admirable job at Miami. CTT has also done an admirable job at AU.
Eddie
Go to http://chatroll.com/
Upper right click "Create an Account". Once you have your account find HABOTN Campfire in the list of "Most Popular Live Forums" (it should be about the 8th one down) and click "Join This Forum".
Anon...agreed. Auburn could do much worse and has in the past. Just see Bowden and Barfield. I'm luke warm on Butch Davis. I would probably be 100% behind Tubs if he had not pulled his little duck hunting stunt last year. That just didn't and hasn't set well with me.
No, the only way I want Tuberville gone is if you tell me we are getting Spurrier. That's my all time favorite coach and I really don't care how old he is.
Thanks Monica. Done.
Sorry if you've all read and discussed this already, but I found this quickie analysis of potential Clemson replacements by Matt Hayes interesting.
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=471830
Barkley..if we had a top notch world class golf course, we could get Spurrier.
Wow, Tommy Tuberville and Bill Cowher? That is pretty funny.
Eddie, I agree on Tubs antics. I try to be a Tubs supporter (as if it matters), but his name gettng tossed out like that and hearing news reports that he accepted another job make it difficult. That'd be a major problem with bringing Muschamp in, I believe they same agent. I live in Georgia, you never hear those types of things out of Mark Richt and he's done more than Tubs in a shorter period of time.
Eddie, clearly you've never been to Indian Pines or Pin Oaks in Auburn. Doesn't get better than that.
Jay - Thanks for not taking my bet.
Someone (and I think it was Jay or PM) said pretty definitively that, if offered, Muschamp would take the HC at Auburn. Does everyone here hate that?
Barkley - Why is Cowher funny?
I'm not advocating firing CTT right now or ever, (I'm sure he's relieved), but the point Hayes makes about Bill Stewart at WVU is valid. WVU was stuck at the last minute, strapped for cash, overly emotional and they ended up hiring the teddy bear assistant who gives everyone the warm fuzzies, but kinda sucks at coaching.
vrga, you are exactly right about Richt. I live outside Atlanta and I never hear one peep about anything regarding Richt and other jobs.
Oh wow! A Pin Oaks reference. Nice!
I do believe that if for some reason Tubs is removed / retires or whatever, that they would already have the future coach in place.
Its hard to find your golf ball with all the rocks in the fairway at Pin Oaks.
Maybe nobody wants Richt.
It's hard to find the fairway with all the rocks in the fairway at Pin Oaks.
i bet Miami would take Richt in a heart beat. Losing to Duke can never sit well. Thats like losing to Vanderbilt.....wait a minute.
Monica, you're the same Monica that posts on al.com and you're from Brewton, AL?
Hahaha, if Bill Cowher comes back into coaching it will not be at a middle tier college football program. Unless it's NC State.
Muschamp and Stewart are like apples and oranges. Muschamp will be on a lot of HC lists next year. Bill Stewart was not when WVU hired him.
Still don't know what to think about Muschamp being a HC
Bill Stewart is in waay over his head. He had no business being HC at West Virginia. I would hate to admit this, but I believe Terry Bowden is a major upgrade over Stewart.
Yeah Muschamp is a good coach and his players love him but he might not be a good HC. He's got a lot of energy though. Jay says 0-5% chance he comes to AU.
anon - nobody said Muschamp was anything like Bill Stewart. The comparison was between the universities. The article talks about the advantage of Clemson getting a head start on the hunt for a coach and how NOT ENDING UP LIKE WVU (and their emotional hire) is a good thing.
Trackem - I haven't read or posted on al.com for almost a year, but I used to. Are you the Trackem who married a Brewton girl?
"Barkley..if we had a top notch world class golf course, we could get Spurrier."
We have Grand National, which is rumored to be hosting an upcoming US Open. The University Club hosts the first two stages of Q-school. Capitol Hill in Montgomery hosts an LPGA major. Some pretty fine golf courses within or close to Auburn.
Yep
correction ... LPGA event, not major.
Auburn was named by HGTV as one of the best towns in America to live in primarily because of golf courses.
Phred...I said that about the golf course. I was referring to Augusta National in particular. I do agree that Auburn has some fantastic options for golf. In Golf Digest, it was listed in the Top Ten golfing cities in America due to the proximately to all those courses.
Are y'all trying to tell me that Spurrier is a member of Augusta National?
Phred..that would be correct and a main reason that he took the USC job.
Take a look at Spurrier here.
http://deadspin.com/sports/peeing-at-augusta/ah-the-sweet-relief-of-augusta-261636.php
huh ... I knew he got to play there some but I don't guess I realized he was a member.
One more Spurrier / Augusta link...
http://clubventures.wordpress.com/2008/07/28/how-to-become-a-member-of-augusta-national-strictly-by-invitation/
wow - really showing Spurrier the love in those comments under the pictures
As much as I used to love to hate Spurrier, I have him to thank for one of the jokes I can ever actually remember.
Q: What's the difference between God and Spurrier?
A: God doesn't think he's Steve Spurrier.
Thats a good one Monica.
nice, mon
Q: Why does Spurrier always wear a visor?
A: To cover the circumcision scar.
wes - you bayud, bayud, bayud
(that was funny)
I'm ready for a campfire so we can talk about Spurrier some more.
I got a couple of sticks to help start the fire.
Go to Chatroll. WE can start this thing without Jay. Of course, nobody knows where he keeps the Banhammer.
OK...LSU is gonna beat So Carolina.
Spurier is coasting to retirement...we don't want him.
Muschamp operates off of emotion and gambles instead of intelligence...not good
Those other 2 coaches mentioned above may have good records but have never been up against SEC competition.
Butch Davis @ Miami didn't compete against SEC type competition and only did as good as CTT.
The SEC eats coaches. Not many can survive here. CTT does
Somebody please name a viable, successful big time coach that will come to the SEC and do better than CTT. BTW don't be silly and name Pete Caroll, Stoops,etc. Those guys got a good thing against inferior competition.
Would anyone be surprised if PSU jumps Bama in the rankings tomorrow?
Alabama and Penn St both won within 4 points of the betting line, therefore they both won as expected.
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