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10.13.2008

What We Learned, 10/14


Hey everyone. Thanks again for a swell campfire last night. It was the second-biggest day in terms of HABOTN traffic, so it's clear that the fire is spreading. I know a lot of you have said nice things about us and turned your friends toward this glowing mass of illumination, so thanks for that.

Let's take a gander at some stuff I keep hearing about. You're probably wondering about and/or hearing the same stuff.

UPDATE:
ESPN.com's Mark Schalbach, a friend of the HABOTN, reports that Tommy Bowden is out at Clemson. Those Tigers are 3-3. A Bowden fired at mid-season? That never happens.

  • Why did Auburn pass three times near the Arkansas goal line? Tuberville said Arkansas stacked the box and thereby prohibited a running play. I'm just telling you what he said.

  • What is the deal with Barrett Trotter? He represents a fresh slate, which could be a good thing for Auburn. Trotter is a guy this staff really liked as a senior at Briarwood Christian this time last year. He's a kid with good stuff: Enough speed and a good arm. Is he ready for a major challenge? I don't see how anyone -- including coach Tommy Tuberville -- can know. Trotter has been running scout team for two months. I believe coaches are going to give him a legitimate shot this week and will remove Trotter's redshirt if they feel good about his practice work.

  • What about Neil Caudle? Isn't he the third-team guy? Tony Franklin ripped Caudle earlier this year for being prone to interceptions, which is something Tuberville et. al. are trying to avoid. Caudle's path to playing time is clearer now than it was with Franklin in the fold, but I think Trotter has more upside and may be considered a more worthy player.

  • Is Tuberville going to survive this? He could. Auburn is 4-3 right now. The rest of the season looks like this:

    10/23: at West Virginia
    11/1: at Ole Miss
    11/8: UT-Martin
    11/15: Georgia
    11/29: at Alabama

    How many wins do you see? UT-Martin is a gimme. Auburn will be a mild underdog at WVU and Ole Miss. It probably will be a major underdog against Georgia and Alabama.

    Let's say Auburn splits em and goes 7-5. It may come down to which game represents the seventh win.

    Considering what happened to Tommy Bowden today, Auburn finishing 7-5 with a loss to Alabama likely would spell the end of the Tuberville era here. There is one thing you always must consider: Tuberville is best with his back against the wall. It's a mistake to ever count him out.


Photo credit: Todd Van Emst/Auburn University

Questions? Comments? Post directly to the blog below or email me at jgtate@gannett.com.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay,

2 questions

1) Do you think there is any part of Tubbervile, that thinks it just may be 'time' to go (e.g Spurrier @ Florida)

2) Do you think the assistants have gotten comfrotable. I was in school in the Spring of 99 and that was one hungry bunch of coaches. Based on your observation, has that changed?

11:57 AM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I do not believe Tuberville wants to leave, no.

Comfortable? Probably to a degree, sure, but that's not the problem in my opinion. The problem is that this offense is really poor and it's unclear if anyone on the Auburn staff can fix it.

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You may ask, what's the difference between Bowden and Tuberville?

Tommy Bowden at Clemson: 72-45
Tommy Tuberville at Auburn: 82-34
Same time frame. 1999-present

Difference of 10 wins over 10 years is only 1 more win a year. That's not going to win a championship.

Jay G. is right, though. Tubs is dangerous when his back is against the wall.

12:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay,

Couple of questions for you.

Says Tubs goes 6-6 or 7-5 but is willing to completely overhaul the offensive staff, does he keep his job?

Who would Auburn go after? Would you agree that they would need to go after a big time, proven HC? Is Jay Jacobs capable of conducting this search?

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Bowden just got it, expect a full court press for muschamp.

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tonya,

Jay Jacobs could not perfrom a search...his first call would be to Pay Dye to ask for advice

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7-5 with losses to UGA and Bama will be the end of CTT's career at Auburn.

He has been good when backed up against the wall, but he's really going to be handcuffed with this dumpster fire we call an offense.

Trying to uninstall an offense you practiced all spring and fall and at the SAME time re-install god-knows-what offense, with no proven offensive coaches on staff...Oh and why not throw a scout team QB into this meat grinder while we're at it.

If anyone is going to salvage this season, IMO, it will be the PLAYERS not the COACHES.

12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just dont see a benefit in putting Trotter out there. At best he will be average at this point and we may go 2-2 in the remaining games (not counting UTM).

At worst we lose every game, kill his confidence, and then we will have THREE Qb's that dont know which way is up. Just doesnt seem worth the risk.

Why put a true freshman into an anemic offense with an OBVIOUS lack of direction?

12:09 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Auburn loses to Alabama in 2008 and Tuberville is thrown under the bus? Not sure I believe that. It just doesn't pass the logic test. He's the winningest coach we've ever had in the Iron Bowl and has the current streak of 6 still alive. Even if we lose, he's 7-3.

Even Bama let Shula lose three in a row before booting him. Surely Auburn is classier that the mass of toothless unwashed in Tuscaloosa!

12:12 PM  
Blogger Cory said...

If CTT does stay, he must replace the entire offensive staff. AU needs a fresh start on offense.

12:14 PM  
Blogger Jim in Scranton said...

I think that it is pretty clear that nobody on the staff can fix the offense.

These are the same guys that had Jason, Cadillac, Ronnie, Obamanu, Aromashadu, C. Taylor, Mix, M. McNeil, B. Jacobs (All NFL guys) in 2003 and lost FIVE games. They couldn't even score a TD until the 3rd game of the year.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sully,

I dont think it's just losing to Bama that will punch his ticket. How about losing to Vandy and Ark? Or the train wreck of an offense? Or the "supposed" lack of control over his offensive position coaches? Or the merry-go-round at QB?

12:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OMG quote from Cullen Harper:

"They just told us. It's what he deserved," said senior quarterback Cullen Harper, who was benched after the Tigers' loss to Wake Forest loss and replaced by highly regarded sophomore Willy Korn. "Dabo Swinney is a fine man and will do an excellent job."

LOSER

12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one has mentioned this, so I will.

What if Auburn goes 5-7, 6-6, whatever and drop the last two.

Tubs isn't fired. The asst. coaches (hereafter known as the BBQ Bunch) don't leave either.

Tubs hires another OC and Auburn moves forward.

Is it too strange to think it might happen this way?

12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Cotton is going to be the long term solution then go ahead and put in Trotter. What we're doing isn't working. Sounds like Todd is probably done at Auburn based on what Tubs said. I think Tubs will be retained if we show improvement from here and split UGA/Bama. He will definitely need to beat Ole Miss with ease, which will not be easy.

Getting rid of Tubs will cost a lot of money and we might not get that much of an improvement. On the other hand if we keep Tubs and he gets a good OC then we could have a great season next year.

How big of a football fan does a booster have to be to pony up $6M to change coaches.

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VRGA, I don't see us beating anyone (outside of maybe UT Martin) with ease this year.

Ole Miss is not bad; Orgeron left a load of talent for Houston Nutt to coach there.

And factor in that Nutt is 5-5 vs. Tubs the last 10 years.

Plus, what makes any of you think Auburn can hang with Georgia and Alabama right now? I'm an Auburn fan, but sheeesshh!

12:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr. S,

I agree, I'm just stating what I think Tubs needs to do to keep his job.

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr S,

It could very well happen that way. If a new OC is brought in without any of that offensive staff not getting fired, I will really think long and hard about renewing my season tix.

12:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think it can happen that way Mr Sensible. No OC with a brain will come to AU with the present situation. I mean seriously is there any other school paying 2 OC's NOT to coach? To go from pre-season western winner to a possible losing season is mind-boggling. I think the future not looking any better is what ultimately dooms CTT. Plus he and his agent dropping his name out for numerous jobs has done little to endure him to the powers that matter at AU. I wonder if both sides would have been better off in the long term to let him walk last year. Remember his famous "I concur" statement? I'm thinking someone at AU does.

12:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is J Jacobs to help in this situation--locked in his office hoping this is a bad dream and will go away by itself?

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay, I don't think Tubs' back is necessarily against the wall this time. He's got a 6 million dollar guarantee and he's already rich. The problem with Auburn and what's left on the schedule is the predictability the offense can not possibly avoid with any of its QBs. Two have proven inept. The other two have never played. What do you do with any of these guys? You stack the box and put presure on them on your way to a fairly sure win.

Auburn will not end the season 7-5. I'd say 5-7 is a much better chance at happening.

12:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another thing, everbody. Don't concern yourselves with Auburn's money. Do you know how much revenue Auburn football generates? At least before this year, more than Alabama's and they paid 4 mill. You don't think they have coaches on the payroll who don't even live in state anymore? C'mon.

Auburn can pay the bill. That's simply the truth.

12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nat,

Jay Jacobs na TT have absolutely NO realtionship and he is the reason muschamp is gone.

12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we see some hard evidence that WM is gone due to JJ?

Not just a "I concur" from the host. Actual ecidence.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What kind of evidence?

Prior to the Chick-Fil-A Bowl in Atlanta, Muschamp went to Auburn's ticket manger, Tim Jackson, and asked about extra bowl tickets for his friends and family, only to be told that no extra tickets were available. Muschamp learned after the bowl that a number of extra tickets had in fact been held back by the ticket office and given to others in the athletic department, but Jackson never mentioned them to Muschamp.

Things got worse when athletic director Jay Jacobs handed Muschamp his new contract, which was supposed to meet the agreement (two years guaranteed at $425,000 per year) . Either Muschamp or Sexton read through the contract and discovered fine print that gave AU the ability to back out of the term and remaining salary at any time, basically negating the "guaranteed" portion of the agreement. Muschamp went back to Jacobs to have that clause removed, but Jacobs refused, saying basically, "You're going to leave after next season anyway, so what difference does it make?"

There are plenty of Auburn people who've encountered Jackson's often high-handed attitude who can easily sympathize with Muschamp's alleged anger. As an aside, Jay Jacobs was promoted to AD in 2005 after working alongside Jackson in Auburn's ticket priority fundraising office for a number of years.

1:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't believe we're even discussing what Tubs has to do to stay. He doesn't have to do anything. He's under contract.

Auburn's leadership is a fiscally responsible group. They don't make rash dicisions. We're in tough economic times. The stock market is plummeting. We're about to enter a depression (if we haven't already).

I personally have to work four more years before retirement just to recover from the last 12 weeks of 401k losses. I imagine the wealthy folk that hold the power at Auburn are experiencing the same deficit.

Does anyone really believe that Auburn's leadership would willfully enter the PR nightmare that it would take to fire Tubs, the $6MM man? No way.

1:11 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

Yes, I believe they would.

His contract also allows for termination. It's not like Auburn University itself would be paying his buyout.

1:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tubs under contract. Hahahaha!

Doesn't matter if he's in contract. Tubs knows this, too, Mr Advisor.

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wm will never come here as long as Jacobs is here. If you want evidence, good luck, you won't get it unless will talks about it. Its very real and true though. Jacobs screwed him over and if you couldn't see that last year during negotiations, then there is no use.

1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right... but who is going to foot the bill? Yes AU Football makes a ton of cash for the school, but that cash has to subsidize other sports, as well as some academic endeavors. The school doesn't have the money to buy out the contract... so, who would do it? Lowder? His cronies? Those guys are suffering just like the rest of us "middle Americans". Plus, we're about to have a Democratic president that's going to raise both their personal and business taxes. The "rich guys" are going to be hurting next year.

I say no way.

1:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sometimes it is better to take the hit up front than to bleed a slow death financially. AU has continued to raise prices on the gameday experience(tickets, contributions,tailgating spots, etc). People grin and bear it with a winning team but the grins leave when paying for the product put on the field this year. I sense a growing turn against CTT even from people who have supported him in the past. The embarassing performances I think hurt him much more than the losses themselves. The only question I think is are you sure you can get someone better? I sense more people are ready to find out the answer. War Eagle

1:24 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Though I don't think Muschamp and Jay Jacobs are homies, their relationship wasn't a significant factor in why Muschamp is at Texas.

As far as raising money to pay for Tuberville's (hefty) buyout if it comes to that, well, it'll happen.

I'm not saying I'd advocate that avenue -- dropping $10 million in this economy seems silly -- but people will get it done if that's what they want.

1:29 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

my thoughts...

Tubs has won for ten years. Before 02, he was okay. Not great. He has always been a great d coach. Since 02 and the demise of UA he has excelled. 04 was spectacular.

He has clearly won the hearts of the AU faithful.

However, there is something amiss. Last year's hunting trip was odd. The rumors of LSU, A&M and especially Arkansas left many of the fans (read:me) feeling abused. This was a classic Jimmy Sexton ploy and one that CTT has used often in his career, just not lately.

This with the utter collapse has left many not feeling very loyal to CTT.

Where do we go from here. First, it is unbelievable that anyone would think that CTT would not have a free year or allowed a bad year. Unbelievable.

Second, he should go. I know those are two completely different views, but again, these are my thoughts.

The best thing that could happen would be for CTT to land the Clemson job and agree with the higher ups not to pursue the buyout from either side.

1:29 PM  
Blogger AUWade said...

Didn't 2003 tell us that Jay Jacobs doesn't really fit into the equation of hiring/firing coaches? If would think that the wheels are probably already in motion by the PTB in finding the next coach. It's just a matter of whether they manage not to screw it up again. I think Tuberville deserves a chance to correct things and I hope gets the chance, but history doesn't bode well for him.

1:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good points, Mark and I understand the two points in opposition as I have stated similar opinions.

1:33 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

History does not bode well for him.

You're right about that.

1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay G.,

How much of this "pressure" is because of what is going on in Tuscaloosa? I hear that a lot from that side and I am wondering what you think.

1:36 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

If you could play the games any time you wanted, I think 7-5 would be a "best case" scenario.

However, since you cannot, I think you have to look at when the games are played and factor that in to a prediction.

I think that the UGA and Bama games are losses.

Having said that to get to 7-5, that would mean, we win the next three to go 7-3 and then lose the next two.

I don't think we can do it. I do not think there is any way this team wins three games in a row. If they do, I think we actually split with UGA and BAMA. However, since I do not think we can, I honestly think 6-6, or God forbid, 5-7 are more realistic.

1:38 PM  
Blogger Eddie McCoy said...

Will the coaches be available for interviews tomorrow?? I would really love to hear what they have to say.

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Butch Davis can evaluate, recruit, and win a national championship. He still has a deep foundation in the state of Florida. He left Coker a national championship team. Coker ran it into the ground afterwards. But after Davis' last season he sent 18 guys to the NFL...in one year mind you.

Butch Davis is the clear cut top candidate. 4 mill is not too much. In fact, what that hire would do to energize this program and drive even more revenues could be a sight to behold.

Look, doesn't matter what you say. Fact is Saban does present a problem. Auburn and Alabama have a history of ridiculously competitive moves that are supposed to parallel and even out do the other program. If you want to out Saban Saban, hire Butch.

Isn't it cool that when you spell check your post when including 'Saban' that the software wants to generate 'Satan'?

2:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why would Butch leave NC other than for $$$. In a weak conference he can contend for the BCS

2:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Any word of truth to the report (on Finebaum) that a bunch of recruits are de-committing?

2:18 PM  
Blogger Eddie McCoy said...

What irks me is that we were told by Tubs that has a chance to be a really special year and now he does the interview with Carlee and he says we don't have a good football and acts like it was always going to be this way.

As an Auburn Fan, I cannot stand that we do not live up to expectations. It seems like we never do, and that is what sucks the most about this whole year, and also Tubs whole career here.

2:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re: Caudle being prone to interceptions.

Casey Dick throws INTs but he also throws TDs. If Auburn is going to put the ball in the air a lot there are going to be pics.

Seems to me with the defenses we've had over the year, we could afford to play a little more "reckless" on offense.

Our QBs are so screwed up right now--I hate it for those guys. They deserve better.

2:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy's "stud QB" Haughabook turned it over in spades at times and they stuck with him.

The problem at Auburn has been the short hook. Unless you are Brandon Cox and there was no clear alternative.

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous...

SEC. And money. Auburn is a football school. Not a basketball school. Just the reality.

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous, not true. No recruits have decommitted. Cotton confirmed his commitment to Auburn Sunday. It is known that he's sort of a leader among the offensive recruits that are pledged. The fear was that if he decommits then a few others do. Didn't happen.

Why would a top QB recruit not come to Auburn now? What an opportunity.

2:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Jay has pointed out - not a lot of interest out there for midget recruits. Who else will offer them a scholly?

2:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Midget recruits? Did I miss something?

2:43 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I don't think anyone is decommitting.

I mean, the defensive recruits aren't dissuaded. Heck, they'll be coming to a unit that (until Arkansas) was ranked No. 2 in the country.

It's the O skill guys who are in the spotlight. We're talking about Brandon Heavens (short WR), Travante Stallworth (short WR), LaVoyd James (short WR) and Lutzenkirchen (tall TE).

Cameron Kenney isn't leaving regardless.

2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

College football is all about "what have you done for me lately?" Tubs overall record and time at AU means little at this point.

Fact is he and Franklin let the expectations for the offense get out of hand preseason. A wise coach would have downplayed the hype and prepared the fans for a tough year. I was extrememly skeptical when the media picked us to win the West.

At any rate, 10 years is a long time to last in the SEC and Tubs can look back on his time at AU and be proud - he runs a clean program, recruits well, puts together nasty defenses, and is a pretty good gameday coach. Unfortunately, he's had to rely on others for offensive help and some luck to have the right combination of stellar offensive atheletes (the stars to align in other words) to have a truly great team.

2:52 PM  
Blogger michael said...

I sure hope Lutzenkirchen doesn't decommit. That name is awesome! Please tell me he has an Austrian accent and the physique of a bodybuilder, and in post game interviews says, "What is best in life: Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women!"

2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Michael. No. No. And, no.

We need some height on those WRs. Lauren whatdaya got?

2:59 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

You're been mesmerized by that chick from YouTube ...

3:05 PM  
Blogger AUBigCat said...

Michael I dont think he is quite Conan but from his highlight vids, he is pretty spectacular.

3:05 PM  
Blogger michael said...

If people try to decommit, Tubs should send them an email with a link to Jan Terri video and sign it, "I don't want to lose you tonight. You're the only thing that matters

-Tommy"

Maybe I am a tad bit mezmorized. But hey, with this economy and this football team, Jan Terri is a beacon of light in my life.

3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are they practicing today?

3:18 PM  
Blogger michael said...

I heard they weren't practicing any the next two weeks. Tuberville said he planned on "winging it" against West Virginia. After all, what's the worst that can happen?

3:21 PM  
Blogger dan dan the AU fan said...

What are the odds if CTT and company part ways with AU that the administration would work to keep Rhodes around?

3:27 PM  
Blogger dan dan the AU fan said...

Also, is there a consultant out there they could bring in to coach the QBs? I only got to see the 4th quarter on the replay but it looked to me as if Kodi still has lots of upside, he just needs better coaching.

3:30 PM  
Blogger krisb said...

scottiephill-

Who do you want playing qb...
Buster Hamm???

3:31 PM  
Blogger krisb said...

It's Saban's Fault...

They beat Clemson and its been downhill since.

Beat UT and Fulmer could be toast

Beat Auburn and the BOT's could have the jet ready for takeoff.

3:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave the redshirt on Trotter. Tubs stated today at the Birmingham Touchdown Club that Kodi will start the rest of the season. I hope he does not waste the kid's redshirt if he is only going to serve in a backup role.

3:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan, Kodi has had a LOT of coaching. All spring and fall, the coaches worked on his poor passin fundamentals. Such as: Throws with his chest facingdown field and uses too muc wrist onshort passes. He would be better suited to throw darts in a bar.

When hounded by the coaches, he does better in practice. The question is: Can he not remember? or doesn't care to do what he was coached to do?

3:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, this whole Trotter thing is a bunch of smoke and mirrors?

3:46 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

No practice today.

They're going tomorrow (Tuesday) morning and Wednesday afternoon.

We'll get defensive players tomorrow, offensive players on Wednesday.

I'll be there. The HABOTN will be in full effect.

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me start with an apology, I have never been "that guy" but I am hearing the powers that be are making a move NOW. Jay have you heard these rumblings?

3:49 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Auburn's plan right now is to start Burns and go with Trotter or Caudle (read: Trotter) as The Backup Who Plays.

3:49 PM  
Blogger dan dan the AU fan said...

Hoopie, are these the same coaches who gave Jason Campbell a lot of coaching prior to 2004? Before Al Borges showed up and turned him into a first round draft pick.

3:50 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I hear "rumblings" all the time.

No, I don't think Tuberville is getting fired this afternoon.

3:51 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Mr. S,

IMHO

Comparing T. Bowden and CTT's records is not legitimate.

ACC vs SEC.

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That was for the few Clemson lurkers (I have friends there who cruise through Jay G.'s spot) who idolize/covet Tubs.

I know the competition isn't the same.

Who'd have thought that Papa Bowden would outlast his whole clan?

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay G.,

By Backup Who Plays you are saying that they plan to have a 2 QB system still?

3:53 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I'm sure Terry will be getting a job any minute now ...

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

LOL, Jay G., LOL!

3:55 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

I don't think I'd put Cotton in the "solid" column yet.

Isn't there a plan for CTT & Co. to travel to Maryland to see Cotton Jr. and Sr. this Friday?

Cotton Sr. and Jr. want to know if CTT is committed to Ray.

Do I have that wrong, Jay?

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can AU really afford a 10 million dollar deal?! I mean huh? if that is the case then Why not? I realize they are building a 90 million dollar arena but just never thought we'd get into that silly amount of money. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on CTT yet..that's not to say I dont think that an assitant or 2 need to take a hike but really what do I know. He's a helluva a ball coach just set in his ways...maybe to a fault.

4:01 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

wartiger-

The affordability and/or the willingness to pay whatever it takes is a non-issue. Period.

I'm not saying that is right or wrong. That's just the way it is.

4:05 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

Coaches are headed out to recruit Thursday and Friday.

I'm 100% sure people will be visiting Raymond Cotton.

4:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan, Anybody should be able to teach/learn the passing fundamentals that Kodi can't seem to master. This is not the coaches fault. They have "corrected"hm many times...he is either too lazy or can't remember or doesn't care.

Our coaches taught BCox to read defenses and adjust the offense and Kodi was there all of last year. Kodi still hasn't got that either. Kodi also can't go through his progressions...it's obvious from watchinghis helmet on the replays, that he doesn't know where the 2nd, 3rd, 4th receivers are.

4:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it would cost Auburn closer to 15 mill to clean house. To say it doesn't make sense is a matter of subjection. I mean, if you're happy with what you're seeing by all means continue as is. But you're going to lose a ton in ticket sales revenue and revenues in other places as the programs around you grow.

I was just thinking Auburn was a little better than that.

4:25 PM  
Blogger dan dan the AU fan said...

A lot of those same things were said about JCam before CAB arrived. CTT said himself that JC couldn't run a high school offense(or something close to that) now he is one of the higher rated QB's in the NFL, no int's. Many people have said on this site that they feel that Kodi has regressed since last year. Just my observation from the outside.

4:29 PM  
Blogger ron mexico said...

Hoopie,

I don't know which brandon cox you remember but checking down receivers was not his strong suit.

If burns is playing they just need to let him throw down field, he can't make the short passes... he has no touch. At least let him throw it down field will back the defense up. Oh yeah and they need to continue to run the Kodi Burns play up the middle with a lead blocker... we saw it in the bowl game and haven't seen it till the last drive on saturday.

4:34 PM  
Blogger michael said...

Anyone want to have a Brandon Cox debate for old times' sake?

4:36 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

When both Bama and Georgia are highly ranked, a loss to either shouldn't spell the end of CTT. My guess is that he must win the other three.

4:39 PM  
Blogger ron mexico said...

in '03 they didn't even let him get to the bama game

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

COTTON CONFIRMED HIS COMMITTMENT TO AUBURN YESTERDAY. YESTERDAY, AS IN SUNDAY.

DONE DEAL.

Next...

4:43 PM  
Blogger Taylor said...

lets see about interest in the shirt jay

4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ON TONY FRANKLIN...

He thought Chris Todd and Kodi were very good D1 QBs. He didn't do crap with them in 9 months. So how do we know Caudle isn't a useful QB? He threw a few picks in practice. But Todd and Burns save it for the games.

4:44 PM  
Blogger ron mexico said...

I agree... at this rate I will sacrifice two or three picks for 25 completions. Question is can he throw the completions?

4:48 PM  
Blogger dan dan the AU fan said...

Les Miles or someone on his staff thought Andrew Hatch was the best qb to play against us. Lucky for them he got knocked out of the game.

4:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agree, Ron. I'd take 250 yards and a pick or two vs. 70 and 2 picks any day. That would signal ball movement. Caudle can definitely run better than Todd.

I keep seeing Caudle listed as a sophmore. Isn't he a redshirt junior?

4:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dan, please don't mention back up QBs. you're scaring the crap out of me.

4:52 PM  
Blogger WarEagleRK said...

We can't get 250 yards total, 250 passing would be a miracle at this point.

Disgusting that against an Arkansas team giving up over 200 yards rushing per game this year, then when we play them, we can't get 100 total yards through 3 quarters.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Everyone should ease up on the Cotton talk. We seem to forget that Kodi was Cotton in 06(Super-Recruit of the Future).

Whose to say that Cotton isnt a bust? We've already managed to ruin one five star QB. You saying this staff doesnt have the ability to do the same to Cotton?

5:03 PM  
Blogger dan dan the AU fan said...

Sorry, Crudup, I share your fear. Didn't Pat White's backup play last week? Just making a point that coaches don't always get it right when picking starters. I know its hard to know how a player will perform under the lights so I'm not saying its easy.

5:08 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Unless yesterday, Sunday, yesterday was "signing day" there is no such thing as a done deal.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did ya'll see this CTT quote from the B'ham TD Club? "What's happened is we've played some pretty good teams and we've come up on the short end. We're getting ready to play some more good teams and we're planning to be on the long end of some of those games and looking to get better. You don't worry about winning or losing. Never have."

So now Arky is a pretty good team.

5:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cotton is a better QB than Kodi. Hands down. I just grimmace when Kodi throws the ball. It hurts. The mechanics. The extra long stride. He need so much work.

Cotton on the other hand throws and moves effortlessly. He's big. He's fat. He's got a cannon and he throws a beautiful deep ball. Look at some of his film if you will. I know it's just film but it offers a lot of hope. Look at how he places the ball to the WRs. Comparing him to Star Jackson is night and day. Star was a big time recruit supposedly last year. We'll see...

I just don't think Cotton, on his worst day, will ever be a bust in the way that Kodi is (for now at least).

Look, Kodi was a misread. The guy is not a prolific passer...at all. He's just not. He appears to not know the first thing about passing.

5:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mond, there is a such thing when you honor your word. Cotton is and will. He believes in it and he was raised that way. Heavens, Scott, James, Stallworth? Who knows. How much would it bother you if they didn't?

5:50 PM  
Blogger michael said...

About honoring your word: if a coach's contract is not honored, and this coach is the one who recruited you, I see no problem with someone backing out of a commitment. It doesn't show a lack of character. It's the old bait and switch trick. Sell them on a coach and a system, then change it on them and tell them it is dishonorable to back out. I don't buy that.

5:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've heard a lot of the experts say Cotton isn't close to being a finished product. I don't think he has the accuracy right now.

5:56 PM  
Blogger ron mexico said...

The next OC is going to have to be a guy that can coach up the quarterbacks. No high school quarterback can come in and get the job done without coaching.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barkley, you've heard or you've seen? I've been watching Cotton for awhile. I can't this year as he's moved up to Maryland. But I've seen plenty. The boy can play. And he is accurate. He tooks a little criticism at the Elite 11 camp because he wasn't polished in some of the drills. But it was his first time running many of them.

Have you seriously watched Jason Campbell play? Is he the most accurate QB you've seen? No, he's not. But he has a big play arm and he can spread the field like a MF. Cotton's the same in that regard. And, like Campbell, most of the time it's a thing of beauty.

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you watched Cotton before he went to Maryland, that means you watched him at an AISA school. There is absolutely no talent whatsoever at AISA schools, so I hope you aren't judging him off of that. This is the first year I have seen us offer kids from the independent schools.

I watched some of the highlights of the elite 11 camp and he looked talented, but apparently he placed last in most of the drills and competitions.

I'm not trying to criticize our recruits, I just think it's laughable that people expect him to come in and make an immediate impact as a freshman. I don't think he is ready for that yet.

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is an exerpt from Tony Barnhart that basically concludes that a Qb to simply distribute the ball is not good enough anymore against today's defenses:


You’ve got to have a QB to win on the road—or anywhere, for that matter: Tennessee, LSU, and Clemson all lost on the road during the weekend. What do they all have in common? All are struggling with quarterback play. When you go on the road the quarterback has to manage the game against a hostile crowd and needs to make enough plays to give you a chance to win. Auburn lost at home to a bad Arkansas team Auburn but the problem was the same—quarterback. Tennessee, and LSU really don’t have that many options. Clemson is going to go with redshirt freshman Willy Korn against Georgia Tech after watching Cullen Harper struggle in the first half of the season. Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville is talking about taking a redshirt off freshman Barrett Trotter because things have gotten so bad. The game has evolved to the point where you can’t be average at the quarterback position and get by any more. The defenses are just too good. And while we’re on the subject: Why are there so many great quarterbacks in the Big 12 and a dearth of top level quarterbacks in the SEC? I don’t know the answer. I’m asking.

6:19 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

Crudup, Unless you are Raymond Sr. in disguise, I believe it is naive to think you can say "done deal" about the decision this young man and his family will make.

Phillip Marshall attributed this quote to Ray Sr.:
“We want to talk to Coach Tuberville before we do anything," Raymond Cotton said. "I just told Raymond to take care of his game this weekend and we will take it from there. He just wants to make sure Coach Tuberville is committed to Ray as a quarterback. His commitment to Auburn will be based on the answer we get."

Anyway, if you're sure then that's great. As for me, I like to speculate about such things as it helps me avoid real work I should be doing. However, I don't count recruited eggs until their signed LOI's are hatched.

War Eagle

6:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mond, those are dated quotes by AuburnUndercover.com. Dated as in prior to Sunday. CTT talked to the Cottons yesterday. He's going to see them Friday.

Barkley, here are 3 other top schools pursuing Cotton's services:

LSU
UF
UT

You'll laugh about the potential of our recruits but take a second look at what you saw on the field Saturday. It can only get better. And the talent Cotton faced in Mobile has nothing to due with his pure talent. Like I already said, he placed low in SOME of the drills at Elite 11. Again, he has never done some of those before.

We need a QB period. And you're thinking is marred by what you've seen this year. Guess what? Our NFL QB Jason Campbell was only productive under Petrino and Borges. He, too, was bound for a normal 8-5 job after Petrino left and before Al showed up.

Have faith. Don't listen to too much propaganda. You might find yourself voting for Obama.

6:33 PM  
Blogger Jay G. Tate said...

I'm OK with you guys posturing over Raymond Cotton and all, but it's immaterial.

It's possible that Auburn will have a coaching change and everything will be re-shuffled from a recruiting standpoint.

We're just so far away from Signing Day ...

6:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So where are you getting your information from as far as who has offered him? It sounds like you have some sort of bias towards him.

I think you are missing my point though. I never said he wasn't talented, I haven't seen as much of him as you have. I said people should not expect him to turn this program around his freshman year. Evaluating what he did against some private schools in Mobile cannot compare to what he will face in the SEC.

No offense to you, but I am going to take the word of people who get paid to evaluate the talent, rather than a random poster. I hope he is just as good as you make him out to be, but it's not every year you have a Tebow like player who can help the team out in his first year.

6:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is it immaterial? He's a staple of the class. He had other recruits texting him asking him what his plans were now (after CTF was fired)

It matters.

6:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So where do you get all this information from? Do you have his text messages forwarded to you?

6:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The information comes from the Washington Post on the other schools now pursuing him for all it's worth. Ray is an Elite 11 QB no matter how you slice it. He's not Chris Todd.

Yes, I have a bias. It's called alumni support of a few different varieties. I want to win and that's a damn good QB. Nothing's guarantedd but you don't recruit chopped liver either especially with who we have developing QBs (today). Not sure why a grown man would spin too many thoughts in a negative manner in regards to a 17 year old recruit. Tim Teebow is a one of a kind breed and he's not exactly a prolific passer if that's what you want.

6:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well according to Rivals, he doesn't have an offer from any of the schools you listed. Maybe those schools have been in contact with him, but I'm sure they are in contact with A LOT of players, it doesn't mean they will offer them though.

7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I haven't seen Cotton personally yet but I live in Bmore. His stats on a weekly basis have been outstanding. I have seen a video against the top team here and he, size alone, stands above everyone. I will see him play when he plays my daughters HS.

7:10 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

crudup - Yeah, I know where it was posted as evidenced by the fact that I saw it...

It was posted yesterday, Oct. 12th.

7:22 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Just seen where Clemson's OC Rob Spence has left the team also. Possibility to AU Jay?

7:26 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Jay, the biggest question I see in terms of a possible coaching change is why CTF was fired. There are a lot of theories.

1. Insisted on playing Todd. If this is the case, I don't see CTT getting fired here.

2. Because he was in full control of the offense, and the offense didn't produce. In this case, I can't see CTT getting fired.

3. CTT and the rest of the coaches wouldn't allow CTF to run his system. In this case, CTT should be fired.

4. CTF could not get along with the other coahces. I can't see CTT getting fired over that.

5. CTF having a conflict with coaches or players. CTT shouldn't be fired because of that.

If this offense was purely Franklins, I can't see CTT being fired over it. Yes, I know he hired him, but hiring someone is always taking a chance.

7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sure hope not, I thought Auburn had the worst offense in the country until I watched the Clemson-Wake game Thursday night.

7:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not in favor of burning Trotter's red shirt, but does anyone think he could be a leader for this team? Watch the first :10 secs of this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5gjml6LB5U ). I know it's high school but can you see anyone on our Offense doing this in the locker room?

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not sure what "it" is, mond. Sorry.

Barkley, Cotton is a solid commit since Aprl 1st. At that time he was a little known 2 star. Since then his stock has grown obviously. They're not going to list anymore offers after his announcing the solid committment.

Rivals...

7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought even Clemson's offense was head and shoulders above Auburn's. And that's saying something. I also thought Wake has a very fast and extremely disciplined offense.

7:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was driving back from bham today and they were saying that CTT was at a AU event in Bham today and stated that Burns would be the starting qb the rest of the season and Trotter would NOT lose his redshirt.
JayG, could you confirm this?

7:44 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

couple of observations:

1: Kodi Burns needs to change his jersey number from 18 to 81, as in a wide receiver number. Unless something changes in the next couple of years his future (if at all) in football is at wide receiver, not QB.

2: I would rather have Ray as a commitment rather than AJ. Ray has taken a team that stunk and made them a contender. I live in Mobile and the private schools here can generally kick the crap out of most public schools they play, so the "private" school argument won't work. AJ doesn't have the size to play in the SEC. An Ichabod Crane physique=squished like grape in big boy football. Ray has the size.

3: Buck now only has to work two more years given the wall street rally today

4: Crudup (in addition to the Godfather Jay G.) has his finger on the pulse of Auburn Football. Money will not be an obstacle if those with it decide to go in a different direction.

5: Tubs has earned a shot to right the ship, as it were. He has not earned the right to try and bring in a new OC without letting said individual bring in some or all of their own position coaches. In short, either Tubbs and Co. depart, or all or some of the BBQ Boys are sent off to grill in greener pastures.

7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was being sarcastic when I compared their offense to Auburn's, but they are really close. They have the talent, but they just could not move the ball, it was ugly.

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

See. This is Tuberville. Conflict. There's not continuity in the things he says.

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kris: Cotton did not just play for a private school, he played for a private school in the AISA. It's a little different.

Name a few public schools that Faith Academy can "kick the crap out of."

7:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous, only Jay can answer to the first few seconds of that video where Trotter is being a true leader. But I'm willing to bet you don't see that out of Todd and Burns. Trotter's high school coach has always said Barrett's a leader in so many ways.

7:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bashing kids on here. Wow.

BTW, cotton is solid. Its not too hard to read the facts.

8:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

barkley, where are you from?

8:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe Burns would've been a leader if Todd had never slid in? Maybe Todd would've been a leader if he hadn't come in with Franklin? I don't think there are any leaders (coach or player) on the offense. Makes me miss B. Cox and C. Taylor.

8:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody is bashing Cotton, wow you guys are way too sensitive. I have said over and over again, I think he's talented.

People are just making way too big of a deal out of him before he has even stepped a foot on the field. I remember hearing the same things about Kodi Burns.

Please forgive me for not praising one of our committments to the fullest. Unreal.

8:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Faith can beat anyb public school in Mobile County except Vigor. It's a little different in this area vs. some other areas of the state or the region. Private school ball is relevant. AJ McCarron plays for St Paul's of course - a private school.

8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heavens was aisa, now he's not.

Guess what? He's still dominating.

8:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

barkley, I don't remember hearing the same things about Kodi way up there in Arkansas. All I knew was he was a 4 star recruit and I saw his film. That's about it. He looked pretty much the same in that high school film as he does now in terms of mechanics. He's much better on the run then and now.

8:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why didn't Bynes try to score on the pick? He couldn't decide if he wanted to run over Dick or not. One small change of direction to the right and he would have been in the endzone. But then we wouldn't be so favorable to a coaching change today and Tubs' comments about how good Arkansas is wouldn't sting so much.

8:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kodi was a 5 star recruit on Scout.

Seriously though, how have I bashed Cotton? What have I said negative? That I read he will need work before he is complete? The fact that I didn't think he would be ready his first year? Wow that is so cruel of me.

Did Faith Academy even win state in their own class? Why would I talk about who they could beat above them?

8:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barkley, I thought we were using Rivals as a source? Ok. Scout. Makes Kodi's performance on the field even worse.

I don't think anybody really cares if Faith won the state in their class? Anybody? Irrelevant. Again. I think you're probably arguing with yourself now?

8:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Scout's take on Kodi Burns:

Burns is an electrifying quarterback that can beat you with his arm and legs. He is ultra quick in the pocket and virtually impossible to stop in a one on one situation. Burns is the type of quarterback that can put so much pressure on a defense because of his ability to make a play outside of the pocket. He is also a good passer that shows all the throws. Burns is a "Michael Vick" type of signal caller and very exciting to watch.

8:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's just somewhat annoying when high school players are made out to be the savior before they even play a college snap.

8:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kodi would be a star at Arkansas right now under Petrino.

8:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Savior? Didn't see that in here unless I missed something. But you don't recruit them to come here and look good in a uniform. If it was an exact science I guess Kodi Burns would have been the "savior"?

One player will not be a savior on this team. Even a productive QB couldn't right this ship alone. It's funky from top to bottom right now offensively. And, look out. The defense is caving in.

8:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Agreed.

8:29 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

crudup- you said:

"mond, those are dated quotes by AuburnUndercover.com. Dated as in prior to Sunday. CTT talked to the Cottons yesterday. He's going to see them Friday."

Since you didn't understand the "it" to which I was referring I'll say it again.

IT (the quote from Phillip Marshall that I read) was posted and DATED on auburnundercover.com yesterday, October 12, 2008. Not prior to Sunday as you said.

8:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And I'm telling you PM is quoting comments that were said prior to Sunday Oct 12th. PM and Brown put that on their site Sunday. But the words were spewed before then. Check out the Washington Post if it really matters that much.

8:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Cotton is a better QB than Kodi. Hands down. I just grimmace when Kodi throws the ball. It hurts. The mechanics. The extra long stride. He need so much work.

Cotton on the other hand throws and moves effortlessly. He's big. He's fat. He's got a cannon and he throws a beautiful deep ball. Look at some of his film if you will. I know it's just film but it offers a lot of hope. Look at how he places the ball to the WRs. Comparing him to Star Jackson is night and day. Star was a big time recruit supposedly last year. We'll see...

I just don't think Cotton, on his worst day, will ever be a bust in the way that Kodi is (for now at least). "

You are saying Cotton is a better QB than a college sophomore based on what you have seen him do in high school...I don't understand that. But I'm sure if we had Cotton right now, we would have made that game winning drive Saturday, right?

8:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad you decided to paste an entire post to prove absolutely nothing. I mean, these are all opinions. And, again, nobody has used the word "savior" but you, Barkley. If you need a Savior there's a place you can go on Sundays that can point you in the right direction.

8:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the jet is the savior of Auburn football.

8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Haha ok man I thought you could understand sarcasm, but obviously not.. What should I expect from someone who thinks a high school senior who has yet to face an SEC defense will start as a true freshman at Auburn.

You're comparing what Kodi Burns is doing against SEC defenses to what Cotton is doing against a high school. Delusional.

8:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can't recall seeing the word savior. Can't recall seeing blinded optimism either.

What's wrong with stating that we have a great "solid" commitmemt from a qb that has more tools than the ones we have on campus?

8:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's play the cut and paste game..

"What should I expect from someone who thinks a high school senior who has yet to face an SEC defense will start as a true freshman at Auburn."

No where on this page will you find those comments. Who said Cotton would start as a true freshman?

Again...

"You're comparing what Kodi Burns is doing against SEC defenses to what Cotton is doing against a high school. Delusional."

No where on this page will you read that Cotton is being compared to Kodi in terms of their levels of competition they face today.

So, now you're creating something debate about...with yourself really. Anybody who starts a statement with "what I've heard" or "what I've read" vs. "what I've seen is talking out of turn.

8:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The kid has tools that kodi could only dream about. That's a fact and not a knock on kodi.

I believe kodi can be good, but we aren't gonna wait around for that to happen either.

8:54 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

Not really sure how we got into debating the future of high school kids, particularly those "four star" guys that actually want to play for Auburn... I am first and foremost an Auburn Fan, not simply an Auburn Football Fan. My success or failure as a human being is not defined by the success or failure of my beloved Tigers. If Ray Cotton or any other young man chooses to come to Auburn for his education and football, I am thankful for that and personnally don't give a crap if they ever pan out on the football field.

8:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Kodi Burns the starting QB at Auburn?

Did you say Cotton was better than Kodi Burns?

It's called drawing a conclusion.

8:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I've heard a lot of the experts say Cotton isn't close to being a finished product. I don't think he has the accuracy right now."

Haha! This is a good one.

#1 Who are the experts, Barkley?

#2 You don't think he has the accuracy right now. Based on what, Barkley?

8:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Is Kodi Burns the starting QB at Auburn?"

A: He is this week


"Did you say Cotton was better than Kodi Burns?"

A: Yes

8:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kris, I have to give you an Amen for that post. Thank you for the voice of reason.

8:57 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

We are beginning to sound like bama fans (see previous post about success or failure as a human being)......

9:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tom Luginbill...What are you trying to prove with all of your Cotton talk anyway? If he is better than Kodi why wouldn't he start? It seems like you think I'm criticizing the guy and you want to take up for him, but all I said was that we should wait and see how good he is when he gets here. That is if he even comes here.

9:00 PM  
Blogger squirrel master said...

Why are we bragging about Raymond Cotton as an elite 11 quarterback? Wasn't Neil Caudle an elite 11 quarterback?

9:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way, Charles Barkley is my hero, if he gave an evaluation of Cotton I would have to take his word for it.

9:01 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

I misspelled personally....what a loser.

9:01 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

If Barkley said the sky was pink I would take his word for it...

9:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What if Barkley said he was "Tuurible"?

9:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charles could give you an evaluation of which city has the best escorts before he could tell you anything about Ray Cotton.

9:03 PM  
Blogger Kris said...

We need a new thread Jay

9:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love the guy but he might know more about the over/under.

9:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Squirrel, Neil was that. Yes sir. Don't think anybody's bragging about Elite 11 although it is an honor.

9:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only thing I wouldn't ask Charles his advice for would be gambling.

9:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous, what if he just didn't show up because he was way too hungover?

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kris, I think Jay's mad at Barkley and I.

9:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What did we do??

9:09 PM  
Blogger Monica said...

crudup - dude - get up from your computer and go get some fresh air.

lighten up a little

9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we used a ton of space. but to our defense there's absolutely nothing to talk about.

9:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mond (duuuuude), I will if you will?

9:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This should be a record for comments

9:12 PM  
Blogger ron mexico said...

HABOTN post records are about to be set discussing Raymond Cotton. I hope he doesn't pull an enrique davis on us. We didn't talk about davis this much and we had two years to discuss him.

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe we should get some CTT to Clemson rumors going.

9:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good thing ED didn't come here. Man, what a waste he would be right now. It used to be a given that stud tailbacks lined up to come here.

9:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They already started talking about Kiffin and Muschamp as being possible candidates on ESPN today.

9:15 PM  
Blogger ron mexico said...

I'll sum up the arguement...

Crudup: thinks cotton is going to be the man

barkley for governor: wants to wait and see

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What are the chances that they keep Tubs and he brings in a new OC, plus he allows the new OC to bring his own OL and WR coach?

My guess is 0%

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope Cotton is the man! It could be really scary if he is not.

9:18 PM  
Blogger ron mexico said...

0% on the O line coach

Possibility on tubs staying and new WR coach

9:20 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

No way he gets rid of Nall. He is one of the best offensive line coaches around. As for Knox, he is big time involved in recruiting. Maybe CTT changes his role and we get a new receivers coach, but I doubt it.

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does everyone agree Muschamp will be a HC somewhere next year?

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would say even less than 0% if possible. I curious as to how much ill will Tubs created last year with his contract negotiations, that might have a lot of bearing on if he is retained. It's kind of funny to even talk about because he probably cares very little if he is retained since we'd be paying him $6M to do something else. I'd take a couple of years salary to go find some other work.

9:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Steve,

I was thinking the same thing on Knox, might be a way to get some fresh blood on the offense, especially if we're sticking with the spred.

9:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, Muschamp is a head coach next year. Somewhere.

9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jay G-

Do you think Tubs uses this week to scrap the spread and go more towards a run first offense. It seems that there is so much talk of him not making it past this season that it may be smart to stop thinking about who he keeps as verbals and potential signees. I mean, face it, the only reason we are sticking with this mickey mouse offense is to keep guys like cotton on the hook.

9:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is Nall one of the best OL coaches in America? I never understood that comment from anybody, not just Steve.

9:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

crudup,

because someone started that rumor and it stuck.

9:26 PM  
Blogger ADP said...

Wow. 190 comments. No way I'm going to read 190 comments. Good for the blog though. Congrats J. Geezy.

A cursory glance at the comments leads me to believe the ideas have centered around imaginary head coaching searches and future unproven great QBs. Have I missed anything?

I'm not intentionally trying to be a smart a** even though it kinda sounds like I am. Maybe somebody should start the Hottie Highlights.

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're dead on Phred.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Phred,

You've just about got it.

This thing spun out of control late this afternoon.

Honestly, Hotties! Before we worry about the Muschamp/Cotton regime, maybe we should support the Tuberville/Burns & Co. one in place.

Just a thought.

9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Support is always there for the good ol' orange and blue. But...damnit, Jim, give me something to cheer about.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess we do kinda sound like Bama fans pre-saban era.

9:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We've traded places. Unimaginable.

9:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If we beat Bama this year, it's going to feel the best it has in a long time, and I think Tuberville can keep his job. That's assuming we win some of the other ones as well.

9:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crudup,

I'm not sure I can give much more, Cap'n...the reactor is at critical level!

Ah, love some old Star Trek.

Can't wait to see what JJ Abrams does with that. Probably will have the Enterprise crew crash land on an island only to have them stalked by a space alien creature and document it all on a handicam.

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